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    Hear me out on this for a second please.

    I keep seeing this recurring nightmare in the US where a lone few congress members become the final arbiters of the fate of a whole democratic agenda. It doesn't matter how popular a legislative program is, in the end it's a matter of the final few votes that tip the balance. This, to my mind, leads either to a legislative victory that almost by definition comes at too high a cost or a noble defeat that can always be spun as ignominous defeat.

    The example in my mind is covered very well here.

    Parliamentary systems do not have these problems. If the government can't act it falls. It appears to be a very conservative system but I actually think it has a hidden evolutionary edge that is in the end very progressive: any mandate to mean anything must pass a threshold which ensures that it can be effected practically in the legislature. There may be some minor horse dealing but the thrust of the mandate survives.

    The American system has the inherent conservative aspect (the two party system by accident or whatever) but not the institutionalised idea of a threshold of effective power that must be reached to form a government. The result seems to me to be a system that, like a top, loses momentum just when it's about to fall over. (There's something messed up with that analogy but I'll fix it later.) Maximum stress is met with maximum entropy. No wonder Americans hate government so much.

    Is there not some way of increasing the power of party whips at the very least? This might seem counter-intuitive but I actually think that this would give representatives the cover they need to act in the public interest. Or at least in a coherent fashion. As it stands corporate or other private interests seem to be able to snipe key congressmen at will and right at the moment of truth and so somehow call the shots.

    It's sheer madness viewed from the outside.

    Is there nothing that can be done to fix this even slightly.

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    Re: Dumb Idea

    Originally posted by oddlots View Post
    Is there nothing that can be done to fix this even slightly.
    One change I'd like to see: A corporation is not a person, natural or otherwise, and does not have the same rights as a person, natural or otherwise.

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    • #3
      Re: Dumb Idea

      Originally posted by oddlots View Post

      It's sheer madness viewed from the outside.

      Is there nothing that can be done to fix this even slightly.
      My reading of the founders is that they based our system upon the assumption that the voters are smart and honorable. You can find writing by Jefferson, Franklin, Adams and others that make the point both ways.

      First, they wrote about the weak points in our system that any scoundrel elected who behaves badly would be tossed out by these noble voters. Second, you can find them writing down their worry that the voters would become too stupid or petty to manage the nation well.

      So the US has all its eggs in that one basket -that the voters will demand effective politicians.

      The only other checks are the federal judges, appointed for life but now trumped by a clearly partisan supreme court, and the Electoral College, which can in theory deny the office of President to a dangerous person duly elected by the mob.

      Outside Independence Hall when the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended, Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy? "With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded,
      "A republic, if you can keep it."

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        Re: Dumb Idea

        Love that quote.

        It's a really intriguing problem to me. In my bones I think this will blossom into a huge crisis of political legitimacy in America and I'm searching to see where the solution will come from. Bizzarely I wonder about states' rights and whether the forces of regeneration (not to get too pie-eyed) might not come from a smaller jurisdiction that has more manouverability to be creative and is too small a market to really draw the ire of large commercial interests. I think it was North Dakota that had a state chartered bank that was somehow not sucked into the black hole of Wall Street fraud. Have to look into that again. Where's Rajiv when you need him.

        Don't envy you guys right now at all.

        God that sound obnoxious. Can I re-emphasize I haven't got a clue, so "searching" means me looking for my car keys. Not-envying part stands.
        Last edited by oddlots; October 20, 2010, 02:11 AM. Reason: idiocy

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