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Re: EJ on BNN today
Originally posted by FRED View Post
EJ is again quite polite/humble when blaming "FIRE" on the US Economy alone, while it is certainly a Western (including Canada's - BNN's home base) - even global - problem.
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When EJ says, Telecom/Tech companies failed they were dissolved, stocks went to 0, but al teast we had all those optic fiber buildouts/Router gears, which are helping the
iphone/vonage changes and companies and people profiting from that. But for houses, the extra buildout and paying still the old debt is draining.
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Hybrid diesels?!
I have this argument with my environmental friends all the time. They push very hard for energy conservation as the solution for our energy problems. I argue that conservation, whether it is more efficient gasoline, more efficient light bulbs, or hybrid diesels, is only a stop gap measure that buys you time for a solution that does not involve rapidly depleting resources such as oil, NG, Coal, nuclear. So, unless one proposes a solution based on renewable, or long term economically available resources, while proposing efficiency and conservation as the transitional method to get us to the sustainable solution, one has not proposed a solution to our energy problems at all. In fact the energy writing has been on the wall for 40 years, and great strides in efficiency and conservation were made in the 70's and 80's. But conservation and efficiency were viewed as the solution and we've squandered 40 critical years where we could have been building a sustainable energy source for a sustainable economy.
Hybrid diesels are not a solution.
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Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post...I argue that conservation, whether it is more efficient gasoline, more efficient light bulbs, or hybrid diesels, is only a stop gap measure that buys you time for a solution ....
Excellent, I'll take it.
Time bought is very useful on it's own. Secondly, once we transition to some future energy that will likely be more expensive than petroleum, we will have lower per capita energy use and per capita costs.
Conservation is therefore good.
In hindsight we should have been seriously conserving since we first discussed it nationally in the mid 1970s; we'd be better off today if we had done so 35 years ago.
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Re: EJ on BNN today
Originally posted by we_are_toast View PostHybrid diesels?!
I have this argument with my environmental friends all the time. They push very hard for energy conservation as the solution for our energy problems. I argue that conservation, whether it is more efficient gasoline, more efficient light bulbs, or hybrid diesels, is only a stop gap measure that buys you time for a solution that does not involve rapidly depleting resources such as oil, NG, Coal, nuclear. So, unless one proposes a solution based on renewable, or long term economically available resources, while proposing efficiency and conservation as the transitional method to get us to the sustainable solution, one has not proposed a solution to our energy problems at all. In fact the energy writing has been on the wall for 40 years, and great strides in efficiency and conservation were made in the 70's and 80's. But conservation and efficiency were viewed as the solution and we've squandered 40 critical years where we could have been building a sustainable energy source for a sustainable economy.
Hybrid diesels are not a solution.Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View PostExcellent, I'll take it.
Time bought is very useful on it's own. Secondly, once we transition to some future energy that will likely be more expensive than petroleum, we will have lower per capita energy use and per capita costs.
Conservation is therefore good.
In hindsight we should have been seriously conserving since we first discussed it nationally in the mid 1970s; we'd be better off today if we had done so 35 years ago.
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Originally posted by ASH View PostAnother problem is that transportation fuel efficiency improvements often get squandered on higher performance/heavier vehicles. My understanding is that fuel use is regulated more by cost than by efficiency. Improved efficiency only buys us time if we actually reduce energy consumption as a result, rather than continuing to use as much energy as we can afford.
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Originally posted by we_are_toast View PostHybrid diesels?!
I have this argument with my environmental friends all the time. They push very hard for energy conservation as the solution for our energy problems. I argue that conservation, whether it is more efficient gasoline, more efficient light bulbs, or hybrid diesels, is only a stop gap measure that buys you time for a solution that does not involve rapidly depleting resources such as oil, NG, Coal, nuclear. So, unless one proposes a solution based on renewable, or long term economically available resources, while proposing efficiency and conservation as the transitional method to get us to the sustainable solution, one has not proposed a solution to our energy problems at all. In fact the energy writing has been on the wall for 40 years, and great strides in efficiency and conservation were made in the 70's and 80's. But conservation and efficiency were viewed as the solution and we've squandered 40 critical years where we could have been building a sustainable energy source for a sustainable economy.
Hybrid diesels are not a solution.
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Excellent interview. EJ comes across well. Here in the UK we have had new forms of diesel engine for many years and they really are THAT efficient and nowadays run like a petrol engine. You will not be able to hear or feel any difference while sitting in the car, or, for that matter, while standing alongside.
No, in some ways, I do not wholly agree with EJ. Particularly about Public Private funding. Our experience here is very mixed.
But as a sane voice with credibility, he carries the hopes of many of us and I for one am a firm believer in his concept of a return to technology and inspired thinking.
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Originally posted by GRG55 View PostWherever did you get the idea that oil, natgas, coal and nuclear are NOT long term economically viable resources? It's all a matter of the value of what they are used for. And if you can use less of that stuff on the low value consumptions by conservation methods it is most definitely a solution. At the risk of sounding like Starving Steve, it's the idea that "renewables" are going to displace these that is not the [realistic] solution.
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Well, to place the cat amongst the pigeons; I do not wholly agree with either side of this debate. From where I stand, the solution will come from completely new technology. From thinking that takes technology into a new paradigm. When that does occur, you will discover, as always with such matters; the ideas have been on the ground for decades, but laughed at, demeaned as impossible. Or even more likely, because they were of no interest to the major players for the very simple reason; they would, will, close down their existing operations from the delivery of competing solutions.
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Originally posted by FRED View Post
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