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    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...RS_show_page=0

    Tough cross-examination of Tea Party. I guess given the right circumstance, we are
    all corruptible.


    Illustration by Victor Juhasz

    By Matt Taibbi
    Sep 28, 2010 7:01 AM EDT
    This is an article from the October 15, 2010 issue of Rolling Stone.
    It's taken three trips to Kentucky, but I'm finally getting my Tea Party epiphany exactly where you'd expect: at a Sarah Palin rally. The red-hot mama of American exceptionalism has flown in to speak at something called the National Quartet Convention in Louisville, a gospel-music hoedown in a giant convention center filled with thousands of elderly white Southerners. Palin — who earlier this morning held a closed-door fundraiser for Rand Paul, the Tea Party champion running for the U.S. Senate — is railing against a GOP establishment that has just seen Tea Partiers oust entrenched Republican hacks in Delaware and New York. The dingbat revolution, it seems, is nigh.


    "We're shaking up the good ol' boys," Palin chortles, to the best applause her aging crowd can muster. She then issues an oft-repeated warning (her speeches are usually a tired succession of half-coherent one-liners dumped on ravenous audiences like chum to sharks) to Republican insiders who underestimated the power of the Tea Party Death Star. "Buck up," she says, "or stay in the truck."
    Stay in what truck? I wonder. What the hell does that even mean?
    Scanning the thousands of hopped-up faces in the crowd, I am immediately struck by two things. One is that there isn't a single black person here. The other is the truly awesome quantity of medical hardware: Seemingly every third person in the place is sucking oxygen from a tank or propping their giant atrophied glutes on motorized wheelchair-scooters. As Palin launches into her Ronald Reagan impression — "Government's not the solution! Government's the problem!" — the person sitting next to me leans over and explains.


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    "The scooters are because of Medicare," he whispers helpfully. "They have these commercials down here: 'You won't even have to pay for your scooter! Medicare will pay!' Practically everyone in Kentucky has one."
    A hall full of elderly white people in Medicare-paid scooters, railing against government spending and imagining themselves revolutionaries as they cheer on the vice-presidential puppet hand-picked by the GOP establishment. If there exists a better snapshot of everything the Tea Party represents, I can't imagine it.
    After Palin wraps up, I race to the parking lot in search of departing Medicare-motor-scooter conservatives. I come upon an elderly couple, Janice and David Wheelock, who are fairly itching to share their views.


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    "I'm anti-spending and anti-government," crows David, as scooter-bound Janice looks on. "The welfare state is out of control."

    "OK," I say. "And what do you do for a living?"

    "Me?" he says proudly. "Oh, I'm a property appraiser. Have been my whole life."
    I frown. "Are either of you on Medicare?"

    Silence: Then Janice, a nice enough woman, it seems, slowly raises her hand, offering a faint smile, as if to say, You got me!

    "Let me get this straight," I say to David. "You've been picking up a check from the government for decades, as a tax assessor, and your wife is on Medicare. How can you complain about the welfare state?"

    "Well," he says, "there's a lot of people on welfare who don't deserve it. Too many people are living off the government."

    "But," I protest, "you live off the government. And have been your whole life!"

    "Yeah," he says, "but I don't make very much." Vast forests have already been sacrificed to the public debate about the Tea Party: what it is, what it means, where it's going. But after lengthy study of the phenomenon, I've concluded that the whole miserable narrative boils down to one stark fact: They're full of shit. All of them. At the voter level, the Tea Party is a movement that purports to be furious about government spending — only the reality is that the vast majority of its members are former Bush supporters who yawned through two terms of record deficits and spent the past two electoral cycles frothing not about spending but about John Kerry's medals and Barack Obama's Sixties associations. The average Tea Partier is sincerely against government spending — with the exception of the money spent on them. In fact, their lack of embarrassment when it comes to collecting government largesse is key to understanding what this movement is all about — and nowhere do we see that dynamic as clearly as here in Kentucky, where Rand Paul is barreling toward the Senate with the aid of conservative icons like Palin.

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    Early in his campaign, Dr. Paul, the son of the uncompromising libertarian hero Ron Paul, denounced Medicare as "socialized medicine." But this spring, when confronted with the idea of reducing Medicare payments to doctors like himself — half of his patients are on Medicare — he balked. This candidate, a man ostensibly so against government power in all its forms that he wants to gut the Americans With Disabilities Act and abolish the departments of Education and Energy, was unwilling to reduce his own government compensation, for a very logical reason. "Physicians," he said, "should be allowed to make a comfortable living."

    Those of us who might have expected Paul's purist followers to abandon him in droves have been disappointed; Paul is now the clear favorite to win in November. Ha, ha, you thought we actually gave a shit about spending, joke's on you. That's because the Tea Party doesn't really care about issues — it's about something deep down and psychological, something that can't be answered by political compromise or fundamental changes in policy. At root, the Tea Party is nothing more than a them-versus-us thing. They know who they are, and they know who we are ("radical leftists" is the term they prefer), and they're coming for us on Election Day, no matter what we do — and, it would seem, no matter what their own leaders like Rand Paul do.

    In the Tea Party narrative, victory at the polls means a new American revolution, one that will "take our country back" from everyone they disapprove of. But what they don't realize is, there's a catch: This is America, and we have an entrenched oligarchical system in place that insulates us all from any meaningful political change. The Tea Party today is being pitched in the media as this great threat to the GOP; in reality, the Tea Party is the GOP. What few elements of the movement aren't yet under the control of the Republican Party soon will be, and even if a few genuine Tea Party candidates sneak through, it's only a matter of time before the uprising as a whole gets castrated, just like every grass-roots movement does in this country. Its leaders will be bought off and sucked into the two-party bureaucracy, where its platform will be whittled down until the only things left are those that the GOP's campaign contributors want anyway: top-bracket tax breaks, free trade and financial deregulation.

    The rest of it — the sweeping cuts to federal spending, the clampdown on bailouts, the rollback of Roe v. Wade — will die on the vine as one Tea Party leader after another gets seduced by the Republican Party and retrained for the revolutionary cause of voting down taxes for Goldman Sachs executives. It's all on display here in Kentucky, the unofficial capital of the Tea Party movement, where, ha, ha, the joke turns out to be on them: Rand Paul, their hero, is a fake.


    CONTD......

  • #2
    Re: Joke is on the Tea Party

    The Tea Party was really started in the Ron Paul movement, and has little to do with what it has become, it was never this religious, moralistic or insane. There are still some good lefts, but the neocons took it over, led by palin...

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    • #3
      Re: Joke is on the Tea Party

      I have no problem supporting a moral candidate like Huckabee with no wall street ties. So we are in different camps. sorry and I am not a full libertarian and would like
      to support a movement that gradually replaces state with family in both moral and fiscal values. Not a sudden shift as that may cause pain but to
      reverse in the same pace the "state movement" that started many decades ago.

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      • #4
        Re: Joke is on the Tea Party

        Originally posted by sishya View Post
        gradually replaces state with family in both moral and fiscal values.
        what does that mean? not sure i follow.

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        • #5
          Re: Joke is on the Tea Party

          Okay, I just skimmed this article, but this passage discredits the whole thing

          "I'm anti-spending and anti-government," crows David, as scooter-bound Janice looks on. "The welfare state is out of control."

          "OK," I say. "And what do you do for a living?"

          "Me?" he says proudly. "Oh, I'm a property appraiser. Have been my whole life."
          I frown. "Are either of you on Medicare?"

          Silence: Then Janice, a nice enough woman, it seems, slowly raises her hand, offering a faint smile, as if to say, You got me!

          "Let me get this straight," I say to David. "You've been picking up a check from the government for decades, as a tax assessor, and your wife is on Medicare. How can you complain about the welfare state?"

          "Well," he says, "there's a lot of people on welfare who don't deserve it. Too many people are living off the government."

          "But," I protest, "you live off the government. And have been your whole life!"
          To compare being on Medicare and WORKING as a tax assessor to being on welfare is moronic. First of all, these people paid a Medicare tax on every dollar they made. Yes, it may have been a ponzi scheme, but at least they fulfilled their end of the bargain. And sorry, WORKING for the government is not the same as collecting welfare! Is the author serious? You can't criticize spending if you work for the government? I suppose he thinks the government is 100% efficient and we should just shut up and be quiet?

          And then more of the same,

          Early in his campaign, Dr. Paul, the son of the uncompromising libertarian hero Ron Paul, denounced Medicare as "socialized medicine." But this spring, when confronted with the idea of reducing Medicare payments to doctors like himself — half of his patients are on Medicare — he balked. This candidate, a man ostensibly so against government power in all its forms that he wants to gut the Americans With Disabilities Act and abolish the departments of Education and Energy, was unwilling to reduce his own government compensation, for a very logical reason. "Physicians," he said, "should be allowed to make a comfortable living."
          Paul has to work within the current system. What is he supposed to do, work for free? Just because someone wants to change the current system doesn't mean they should have to excuse themselves from society. I didn't vote for Obama, yet I live in a nation led by him. By the author's logic I should move to Canada I guess. Otherwise I'm just being a hypocrite.

          I have my doubts about the Tea Party, but this kind of smear job tells me someone is scared to death of them. They must really be freaked out if they are willing to lose all credibility by throwing out this weak shit.
          Last edited by flintlock; September 30, 2010, 07:31 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: Joke is on the Tea Party

            Originally posted by sishya View Post
            I have no problem supporting a moral candidate like Huckabee with no wall street ties. So we are in different camps. sorry and I am not a full libertarian and would like
            to support a movement that gradually replaces state with family in both moral and fiscal values. Not a sudden shift as that may cause pain but to
            reverse in the same pace the "state movement" that started many decades ago.
            Huckabee fiscally responsible? did you see his record as governor?

            After Palin, Huckabee is the biggest hack, I followed the republican debates closely and no one frowned upon ron paul's idea's more just to turnaround and "support"many of them...

            Huckabee has his on private interest group that he must pay back to. We just had the BUsh years of strict "moral"values you want more of that?

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            • #7
              Re: Joke is on the Tea Party

              Can you say "hatchet job?
              Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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              • #8
                Re: Joke is on the Tea Party

                I am not a big fan of fiscal responsibility, and we can help poor people instead of welfare for corporates.
                I don't know why you say Huckabee is a hack because I have seen him being fiscally liberal and morally conservative.

                I do not want to go into too much of political debate here since this is an economic forum, but Yes I think family as a unit is to be supported more
                than state. Even if we have to support poor destitute women, but the rise in welfare can cause father's to abandon a child(instead of the other way round),
                women to have children from multiple fathers, more drug addiction among children... these can be self contradictory - how to help poor women/child but at the
                same time prevent family dis-integration. Govt should nowadays has laws which encourage divorce on the flimsiest reasons without think about the long term effects on children.
                I value these more than other's. Everyone have their priorities. Once unwound for many decades, it is tough to put these back,
                but I only merely mentioned that I would support such a candidate.

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                • #9
                  Re: Joke is on the Tea Party

                  Since many decades in USA with the introduction of social security tax, the state promises parents that they will be taken care even if their children don't take care of them.
                  This introduces an incentive to not take care of them when old and causes weakness in family ties. Similarly a targeted help only for the very needy women/children can
                  prevent child birth out of wedlocks, because in the current situation I have seen young women giving birth to children from multiple fathers just to get food stamps/sec 8 housing
                  and other benefits. These state benfits are destroying the structure of society and nobody cares. Everyone has their own ideas of how society to be, for each their own.
                  Of course for others everything is a brave new world.

                  I think the generous introduction of state benfits and laws for past several decades, have weakend social structures

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                  • #10
                    Re: Joke is on the Tea Party

                    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                    Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 - 1860)


                    Cycle of Truth

                    With all due respect to Schopenhauer and other who came before me, I propose that there are 11 stages in the Cycle of Truth, as follows:

                    1. Active ignorance towards the "Truth" (See Mark Twain's "Lie of Silent Assertion").
                    2. One or more Leaders discover the "Truth", or publicly communicate & endorse the "Truth" (via bravery, foolishness, morality, principles, or some combination thereof). One or more Followers may join with the Leader(s), and thereby a Movement has been born.
                    3. Dismissal and ridiculing of the "Truth", the Movement, and those who support it (See Schopenhauer Step #1).
                    4. Aggression and violent opposition towards the "Truth" and the Movement, which may include oppression &/or punishment of the proponents of the "Truth" (See Schopenhauer’s Step #2).
                    5. Trivialization & dismissal of the "Truth" and the Movement as a transient fad.
                    6. Integration, co-option, & hijacking of the Movement & the "Truth" for the purpose of others (see 2009 Tea Party in USA).
                    7. Mass tolerance & passive acceptance of the "Truth" and the Movement, with the promotion & participation of them by a Leader, Followers, and social activists.
                    8. Active belief and participation in the "Truth", and joining the Movement by everybody as it becomes the “In” thing to do, the new norm, and eventually the next dogma (See "Political Correctness").
                    9. Trivialization, dismissal, ridicule, aggression, violent opposition, oppression, &/or punishment of those who refuse or resist the "Truth" and the Movement.
                    10. Active ignorance & silent assertion towards those who deny the "Truth" and the Movement.
                    11. Awareness & enlightenment by a few will lead to an epiphany, fractionation, and splintering of the "Truth" dogma to create a new truth (ie. "Truth2"), which leads to a cycling back to Step #1 above.

                    Above, I have placed "Truth" in quotes, as I believe the Cycle of Truth and its 11 steps apply equally well to great evils that have been packaged via propaganda so as to masquerade as a truth, and thereby manipulate the masses.

                    For those who are concerned about being trapped in a vicious circle, or chasing our tails: Yes, it is a cycle, but more like a spiral. The steps are the same forever, but I believe there is evolution from "Truth", to "Truth2", and so on as we complete each cycle of 11 steps. There is improvement, there is hope for a better future.
                    Depending on those involved and the environment which exists at that time, certain steps may be skipped, done comprehensively or superficially, done out of sequence, or repeated. Often, a “Truth” and/or Movement will die, disappear, or become dormant (ie. awaiting more favorable circumstances under which to grow again).

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                    • #11
                      Re: Joke is on the Tea Party

                      Originally posted by sishya View Post
                      I am not a big fan of fiscal responsibility, and we can help poor people instead of welfare for corporates.
                      I don't know why you say Huckabee is a hack because I have seen him being fiscally liberal and morally conservative.

                      I do not want to go into too much of political debate here since this is an economic forum, but Yes I think family as a unit is to be supported more
                      than state. Even if we have to support poor destitute women, but the rise in welfare can cause father's to abandon a child(instead of the other way round),
                      women to have children from multiple fathers, more drug addiction among children... these can be self contradictory - how to help poor women/child but at the
                      same time prevent family dis-integration. Govt should nowadays has laws which encourage divorce on the flimsiest reasons without think about the long term effects on children.
                      I value these more than other's. Everyone have their priorities. Once unwound for many decades, it is tough to put these back,
                      but I only merely mentioned that I would support such a candidate.
                      I say he is a hack and a hypocrite because he is now "preaching" what he ridiculed and didnt do as governor. As for state and family, as you rightly point out with welfare for single mothers, the more we get government out of the family the better. IN general the less governess we have in our personal lives the better. imo. Enough personal liberty has been lost already to moralist governments...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Joke is on the Tea Party

                        Originally posted by sishya View Post
                        Since many decades in USA with the introduction of social security tax, the state promises parents that they will be taken care even if their children don't take care of them.
                        This introduces an incentive to not take care of them when old and causes weakness in family ties. Similarly a targeted help only for the very needy women/children can
                        prevent child birth out of wedlocks, because in the current situation I have seen young women giving birth to children from multiple fathers just to get food stamps/sec 8 housing
                        and other benefits. These state benfits are destroying the structure of society and nobody cares. Everyone has their own ideas of how society to be, for each their own.
                        Of course for others everything is a brave new world.

                        I think the generous introduction of state benfits and laws for past several decades, have weakend social structures
                        This has been building for years Shishya. Unwed mothers, lack of saving. In my opinion the welfare state started the decline of the US. I am all for helping the poor, but they set it up where it is too easy to be irresponsible. They almost reward it. Before welfare people were a lot more serious about survival, not just enjoying themselves.

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