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    Another item illustrating the observation that necessities have in general drastically dropped in cost over the last century, and you ain't seen nuttin' yet.

    In all cases, the crucial thing was that someone made a prototype. Yes, yes, not practical, too expensive, nearly useless. But once people see the prototype, the creative energies are focused, and in a few short years, something that changes the world pops out.

    "Previous efforts to build low-cost computers have been plagued by cost overruns. The most famous of these attempts, the One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project, was launched by Nicholas Negroponte of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Media Lab in 2005. OLPC said it would deliver a laptop for $100, but when mass production started in 2007 the price had risen to $188 ...

    When the Indian government decided it wanted to develop its own low-cost computer, Sinha was sent to M.I.T. to learn from the OLPC project...

    Sinha credits Negroponte for the "original paradigm shift" in lower-cost personal computers."

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-dollar-tablet


    Star Trek world, in which "on Earth, there is no poverty and there is no war", might not be in the 23rd century; something near to it might come in the second decade of the 21st.

    Current events are merely bumps in the road. These kinds of advances can overwhelm, by orders of magnitude, problems we think of as insoluble.

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    Computer for 10$ ? This could relly bring official inflation CPI down

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      Yes, ironically, I think it is this kind of advance at such an unbelievably high rate that is actually one of the causes of the current crash.

      My understanding is that in the 70s and 80s, factories in Japan became so efficient that there was the beginnings of deflation. For example, the cost of manufacturing microwave ovens went from $500 to $50.

      In order to counter that, the BoJ blew a bubble. Maybe all this bubble blowing and crashing is due to this unbelievable deflation in so many things... and it is speeding up!

      I think the best way to think about these kinds of changes is "how long did I have to work to get X?"
      People used to work all day every day just to put food on the table; I earn enough in a small fraction of an hour to buy food.
      I work for less than
      5 minutes a day to pay for electricity and water
      5 minutes a day to pay for all my telecom charges
      etc.

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        I just bought a pretty nice new DELL laptop for $275 shipped to my door. Is that really too much money? Is someone who can only afford a $10 computer going to be able to use it? An Ipod touch will do email and browse @ $150 on sale. Seems to me the real cost of computing has transferred to the cost of broadband, at least in the US. I could buy two laptops with what I pay!

        I know several somewhat "poor" people ( at least by US standards) who have no access to computers because they say they can't afford the home internet service. Although its available for only about $200 year, or a few day's wage. The real reason is that they have fallen behind on their phone or Cable bill and they can't afford the re-connection fees. But seriously, in today's world, it if foolish not to have access. The information available alone would pay for itself.

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          Oh, I totally agree. I have friends and relatives who insist that Internet access is "too expensive", but then, using the Internet, I show them how to refinance, and they save $60,000... and I just want to choke them... Oh, well, I love them, so...

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            I can't call it "too expensive" but for the mostly basic service we have at home (one step up from basic cable, internet, and phone service), I'm paying $135 a month which in itself, is not that much money but on top of other necessary expenses, does add up.

            Agreed, things like computers/devices are relatively cheap, for what the offer, and the laptop I recently purchased for one of my kids has tremendous power for the price.

            That said, all my mom and dad had to buy for me to function in school was a few pens and notebook paper. Now just to keep up - I need internet access at home, a printer, a laptop.... if the devices lasted more than 3 or 4 years before they broke or become too "slow", that would be great.

            $10 laptop? Sounds good to me.

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            • #7
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              Yikes. In Japan, Yahoo Broadband, about 6M per second, has been about $20 a month for the last 12 years or so, of course heavily subsidized.

              That is something the US needs like yesterday.

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                Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                I just bought a pretty nice new DELL laptop for $275 shipped to my door. Is that really too much money? Is someone who can only afford a $10 computer going to be able to use it? An Ipod touch will do email and browse @ $150 on sale.
                In 2008 I bought an ink jet document center ( print/fax/scan) for $150.00 in black and white. This year I can buy a color model for the same price. It is a marvel of intricate plastic and metal parts. I cannot for the life of me believe that this is reflective of their costs. I would expect to pay more for a nonfunctional wood model of a printer. I have several book cases that cost more ( made of plywood). Owing to monumental subsidies from the super-cheap labor in the far east and super cheap oil, you can afford what used to be a kings ransom in high tech gadgets. This situation is untenable and it will not last for ever.

                EJ is looking for a good place to put money. I think high quality products from China and Vietnam are near the top of my list.

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                • #9
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                  A nice PR story, but incomplete as always.

                  Having basically a smartphone which is furthermore subsidized can be had for $35.

                  But then what?

                  Where's the software? Where's the internet access?

                  Worthless without both of the above.

                  For that matter, how much are the cheap smartphones in India now? And the monthly/prepaid service.

                  A massive PR stunt.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Computer for $10

                    Originally posted by wayiwalk View Post
                    I can't call it "too expensive" but for the mostly basic service we have at home (one step up from basic cable, internet, and phone service), I'm paying $135 a month which in itself, is not that much money but on top of other necessary expenses, does add up.
                    I have free municipal wi-fi which seems to give me on the average 2mbs down and 1mbs up. I have my home network including the phone set up using that. I have Vonage for phone that costs me about $250 per year for free calls to over 60 countries -- and I do use that!

                    I have kept away from any TV service!

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                      Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                      Although its available for only about $200 year, or a few day's wage. The real reason is that they have fallen behind on their phone or Cable bill and they can't afford the re-connection fees. But seriously, in today's world, it if foolish not to have access. The information available alone would pay for itself.

                      If you're unemployed, even a few day's wages is too much.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Computer for $10

                        Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                        A nice PR story, but incomplete as always.

                        Having basically a smartphone which is furthermore subsidized can be had for $35.

                        But then what?

                        Where's the software? Where's the internet access?

                        Worthless without both of the above.

                        For that matter, how much are the cheap smartphones in India now? And the monthly/prepaid service.

                        A massive PR stunt.

                        There's a free public WIFI service in Singapore, although it doesn't work everywhere. I believe there are similar services in many cities.

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                          Originally posted by Rajiv
                          I have free municipal wi-fi which seems to give me on the average 2mbs down and 1mbs up. I have my home network including the phone set up using that. I have Vonage for phone that costs me about $250 per year for free calls to over 60 countries -- and I do use that!

                          I have kept away from any TV service!
                          Certainly Free Wi-Fi exists in some places.

                          But I certainly haven't heard of any 3rd world nations with free Wi-Fi anywhere. Perhaps someone else can comment.

                          In the meantime:

                          Percent of daily income spent for 1 hour using the Internet in a cybercafe. Note the misleading nature of this since costs for those with home internet access is of course far cheaper.

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
                            In 2008 I bought an ink jet document center ( print/fax/scan) for $150.00 in black and white. This year I can buy a color model for the same price. It is a marvel of intricate plastic and metal parts. I cannot for the life of me believe that this is reflective of their costs. I would expect to pay more for a nonfunctional wood model of a printer. I have several book cases that cost more ( made of plywood). Owing to monumental subsidies from the super-cheap labor in the far east and super cheap oil, you can afford what used to be a kings ransom in high tech gadgets. This situation is untenable and it will not last for ever.

                            EJ is looking for a good place to put money. I think high quality products from China and Vietnam are near the top of my list.
                            When my Canon Muti purpose printer needs ink cartridge. I throw the whole thing out and buy a new one that comes with B&W and Color for less than the cartridges.$67.00 AUD
                            That seems a little sick

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                              Re: Computer for $10

                              Originally posted by thunderdownunder View Post
                              When my Canon Muti purpose printer needs ink cartridge. I throw the whole thing out and buy a new one that comes with B&W and Color for less than the cartridges.$67.00 AUD
                              That seems a little sick

                              The new printer usually comes with cartridges that are only half full, so it is cheaper for you to buy a new cartridge.

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