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    Charles Munger, the billionaire vice chairman of Berkshire Hathaway Inc., defended the U.S. financial-company rescues of 2008 and told students that people in economic distress should “suck it in and cope.”

    “You should thank God” for bank bailouts, Munger said in a discussion at the University of Michigan on Sept. 14, according to a video posted on the Internet. “Now, if you talk about bailouts for everybody else, there comes a place where if you just start bailing out all the individuals instead of telling them to adapt, the culture dies.”

    Bank rescues allowed the U.S. to avoid what could have been an “awful” downturn and will help the country as it deals with the housing slump, Munger, 86, said. He used the example of post-World War I Germany to explain how the bailouts under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama were “absolutely required to save your civilization.”

    “Hit the economy with enough misery and enough disruption, destroy the currency, and God knows what happens,” Munger said. “So I think when you have troubles like that you shouldn’t be bitching about a little bailout. You should have been thinking it should have been bigger.”

    Germany was unable to stabilize its financial system in the 1920s, and, Munger said, “We ended up with Adolf Hitler.”

    Taxpayer funds injected into banks helped insulate bond investors from losses and cushioned stock declines for equity holders. U.S. programs designed to ease the burden for distressed mortgage holders didn’t prevent foreclosures from rising to a record. One out of every 381 households received a foreclosure filing in August, according to RealtyTrac Inc.

    Angry Public

    “Charlie Munger is misrepresenting history, and that’s why the public is angry at Wall Street,” said Joshua Rosner, an analyst at research firm Graham Fisher & Co. “We could have wiped out the equity holders before we wiped out the taxpayer.”
    Berkshire had advanced 26 percent on the New York Stock Exchange this year as of Sept. 17 and benefited from a recovery in earnings at some of its main bank holdings. It is the largest shareholder of Wells Fargo & Co., the biggest U.S. home lender, with a stake valued at more than $8 billion. Berkshire also owns $5 billion of Goldman Sachs Group Inc. preferred stock.

    Munger won a cult following among investors for his economic insights and a direct manner of delivering his views. “He’s irascible, brilliant and doesn’t suffer fools gladly,” said Berkshire investor Jeff Matthews of Ram Partners LP.

    Munger is welcomed by crowds of tens of thousands each year when he takes the stage with Berkshire Chairman Warren Buffett, his longtime business partner, at the annual company meeting. Thousands have also turned up at the annual meeting of Wesco Financial Corp., a Berkshire unit where Munger is chairman.

    ‘Exactly Wrong’

    At the Michigan event, one questioner said he had attended both Berkshire and Wesco meetings. “You mean the groupies have followed me here?” Munger asked. To another who asked whether the government should have bailed out homeowners instead of Wall Street, Munger said: “You’ve got it exactly wrong.”

    “There’s danger in just shoveling out money to people who say, ‘My life is a little harder than it used to be,’” Munger said at the event, which was moderated by CNBC’s Becky Quick. “At a certain place you’ve got to say to the people, ‘Suck it in and cope, buddy. Suck it in and cope.’”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...t-bailout.html
    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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    Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

    Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
    Charles Munger, the billionaire vice chairman of Berkshire Hathaway Inc., defended the U.S. financial-company rescues of 2008 and told students that people in economic distress should “suck it in and cope.”

    “You should thank God” for bank bailouts, Munger said in a discussion at the University of Michigan on Sept. 14, according to a video posted on the Internet. “Now, if you talk about bailouts for everybody else, there comes a place where if you just start bailing out all the individuals instead of telling them to adapt, the culture dies.”

    Bank rescues allowed the U.S. to avoid what could have been an “awful” downturn and will help the country as it deals with the housing slump, Munger, 86, said. He used the example of post-World War I Germany to explain how the bailouts under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama were “absolutely required to save your civilization.”

    “Hit the economy with enough misery and enough disruption, destroy the currency, and God knows what happens,” Munger said. “So I think when you have troubles like that you shouldn’t be bitching about a little bailout. You should have been thinking it should have been bigger.”

    Germany was unable to stabilize its financial system in the 1920s, and, Munger said, “We ended up with Adolf Hitler.”

    Taxpayer funds injected into banks helped insulate bond investors from losses and cushioned stock declines for equity holders. U.S. programs designed to ease the burden for distressed mortgage holders didn’t prevent foreclosures from rising to a record. One out of every 381 households received a foreclosure filing in August, according to RealtyTrac Inc.

    Angry Public

    “Charlie Munger is misrepresenting history, and that’s why the public is angry at Wall Street,” said Joshua Rosner, an analyst at research firm Graham Fisher & Co. “We could have wiped out the equity holders before we wiped out the taxpayer.”
    Berkshire had advanced 26 percent on the New York Stock Exchange this year as of Sept. 17 and benefited from a recovery in earnings at some of its main bank holdings. It is the largest shareholder of Wells Fargo & Co., the biggest U.S. home lender, with a stake valued at more than $8 billion. Berkshire also owns $5 billion of Goldman Sachs Group Inc. preferred stock.

    Munger won a cult following among investors for his economic insights and a direct manner of delivering his views. “He’s irascible, brilliant and doesn’t suffer fools gladly,” said Berkshire investor Jeff Matthews of Ram Partners LP.

    Munger is welcomed by crowds of tens of thousands each year when he takes the stage with Berkshire Chairman Warren Buffett, his longtime business partner, at the annual company meeting. Thousands have also turned up at the annual meeting of Wesco Financial Corp., a Berkshire unit where Munger is chairman.

    ‘Exactly Wrong’

    At the Michigan event, one questioner said he had attended both Berkshire and Wesco meetings. “You mean the groupies have followed me here?” Munger asked. To another who asked whether the government should have bailed out homeowners instead of Wall Street, Munger said: “You’ve got it exactly wrong.”

    “There’s danger in just shoveling out money to people who say, ‘My life is a little harder than it used to be,’” Munger said at the event, which was moderated by CNBC’s Becky Quick. “At a certain place you’ve got to say to the people, ‘Suck it in and cope, buddy. Suck it in and cope.’”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...t-bailout.html
    Pretty funny. He and Buffett should both retire. They are past their "use by" date. Stanley Druckenmiller, who is a far superior investors in terms of investment returns, at least had the decency to step down even though he has never lost money in a single year.

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    • #3
      Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

      OMG, does this guy actually believe the drivel coming out of his mouth or is this just full on talk your book day at UofM? Thank god you saved "us" (the rich), bc w/o "us" you dumb asses would be screwed..... Sure, i buy that! This is like a no lose game for the banks.... Heads we win, tales you lose.

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      • #4
        Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

        Wow. Guess I shouldn't be surprised.


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        • #5
          Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

          We have two Republican Parties in America: the Repukes and the Demos. Both parties are terrible, and the Demos may be the worst of the two.

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          • #6
            Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

            It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

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            • #7
              Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

              This guy is a FAILURE and a LOSER. HE is what is WRONG! We will not be recovering until guys like this guy are broke. Period. He should simply "adapt" to that fact.

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              • #8
                Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

                I'm interested to see what our Munger Fan has to say. Maybe a change of screen names and avatars is in order.
                Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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                • #9
                  Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

                  Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                  I'm interested to see what our Munger Fan has to say. Maybe a change of screen names and avatars is in order.
                  I used to have respect for Berkshire and Buffet, but now it is all but plainly obvious, that they talk their book.... What he fails to mention is that If the banks weren't saved at taxpayer expense, Berkshire, buffet and Munger would have lost significant amounts of money.... Buffet used to warn about the deficits and explained in great detail what would happen if we didn't change our ways to be more productive instead of consumptive... Now, that its a real threat to his asset base, suddenly he is being very quite about it. Before it was theoretical, now its real.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

                    Depressing. I wonder if he's senile -- even if he believes this, why would he say it? I suppose it's possible some of his quotes were taken out of context (though this doesn't seem likely). He seems glib -- he's been in the financial sector too long.

                    Anyway -- on the one hand, simply letting the entire financial system fail probably would have been an utter catastrophe. But on the other hand, the banks should *not* have been given a blank check (as they were). To advocate this is indefensible at this point. Plus, no executives were fired or prosecuted.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

                      Munger probably realized what would have happened to his wealth if the banks weren't bailed out, he's upfront about his greed. The real crackpots are those groupies who go to those buffet/munger shareholder meetings and treat these charlatans like gods.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

                        BH owned controlling share of Moody's through the real estate run up did they not? Perhaps Buffet's experience in sitting out the internet bubble taught him something: value investing, when the market makes as much sense as pecking order at Versailles, is for suckers. Better get a bib.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

                          Munger is correct. The bailout was required.

                          The problem with our capitalistic system is that we need massive consumption taxes.

                          Rich people are great at investing money but lousy at spending it.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

                            Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
                            Munger is correct. The bailout was required.

                            The problem with our capitalistic system is that we need massive consumption taxes.

                            Rich people are great at investing money but lousy at spending it.
                            Are you advocating a GST or VAT tax (which you will get). Let me tell you it hurts the little guy. "A man can drink from only one cup and feast from one plate at one dining table, be he rich or poor" The rich consume less of total wealth than the poor - as your last words hint. It is an old fact noticed by a man who hated money changers
                            'Jesus sat down opposite the place where offerings where put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins., worth only a fraction of a penny.
                            Calling his disciples to him Jesus said" I tell you the truth, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than ALL of the others. They gave out of their wealth, but she, out of her poverty, put in Everything - all she had to live on. Mark 12: 41- 44

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                            • #15
                              Re: Charlie Munger to the plebes: Stop bitching and suck it up!

                              He's got the whole self entitled thing down pat. Helps in accumulating fortunes. It sounds like he's advocating class warfarewithout even realising it. I've added his name on to my pitchfork.

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