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    The Death Of Cash? All Over The World Governments Are Banning Large Cash Transactions

    Are we witnessing the slow but certain death of cash in this generation? Is a truly cashless society on the horizon? Legislation currently pending in the Mexican legislature would ban a vast array of large cash transactions, but the truth is that Mexico is far from alone in trying to restrict cash. All over the world, governments are either placing stringent reporting requirements on large cash transactions or they are banning them altogether. We are being told that such measures are needed to battle illegal drug traffic, to catch tax evaders and to fight the war on terror. But are we rapidly getting to the point where we will have no financial privacy left whatsoever? Should we just accept that we have entered a time when the government will watch, track and trace all financial transactions? Is it inevitable that at some point in the near future ALL transactions will go through the banking system in one form or another (check, credit card, debit card, etc.)?

    The truth is that we now live at a time when people who use large amounts of cash are looked upon with suspicion. In fact, authorities in many countries are taught that anyone involved in a large expenditure of cash is trying to hide something and is probably a criminal.

    And yes, a lot of criminals do use cash, but millions upon millions of normal, law-abiding citizens simply prefer to use cash as well. Should we take the freedom to use cash away from the rest of us just because a small minority abuses it?

    Unfortunately, the freedom to use cash is being slowly stripped away from us in an increasingly large number of countries.

    In fact, as countries like Mexico "tighten the noose" around big-ticket cash purchases, our freedom to use cash is going to erode rather rapidly.

    The following is a summary of some of the very tight restrictions being placed on large cash transactions around the globe right now....

    Mexico

    In Mexico, a bill before the legislature would completely ban the purchase of real estate in cash. In addition, the new law would ban anyone from spending more than MXN 100,000 (about $7,700) in cash on vehicles, boats, airplanes and luxury goods.

    $7,700 is not a very high limit, and this legislation has some real teeth to it. Anyone violating this law would face up to 15 years in prison.

    Greece

    In Europe, some of the "austerity packages" being introduced in various European nations include very severe restrictions on the use of cash.

    In Greece, all cash transactions above 1,500 euros are being banned starting next year. The following is a comment by Greek Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou at a press conference discussing the new austerity measures as reported by Reuters....

    "From 1. Jan. 2011, every transaction above 1,500 euros between natural persons and businesses, or between businesses, will not be considered legal if it is done in cash. Transactions will have to be done through debit or credit cards"

    Italy

    Even Italy has gotten into the act. As part of Italy's new "austerity measures", all cash transactions over 5,000 euros will be banned. It is said this is being done to crack down on tax evasion, but even if this is being done to take down the mafia this is still quite severe.

    The United States

    The U.S. government has not banned any large cash transactions, and hopefully it will not do so any time soon, but it sure has burdened large cash transactions with some heavy-duty reporting requirements.

    For example, your bank is required to file a currency transaction report with the government for every deposit, withdrawal or exchange over $10,000 in cash.

    Not only that, but if a bank "knows, suspects, or has reason to suspect" that a transaction involving at least $5,000 is "suspicious", then another report must be filled out. This second type of report is known as a suspicious activity report, and it is also filed with the government.

    But the reporting does not stop there. As Jeff Schnepper explained in an article for MSN Money, if you are in business and you receive over $10,000 in cash in a single transaction you must report it to the IRS or you will go to prison.....

    If you're in a business and receive more than $10,000 in cash from a single transaction, or from related transactions within a 12-month period, you have to file Form 8300 and report the buyer to the IRS. Don't file, and you go to jail.

    The IRS isnt kidding. I had a client who was a dealer in Corvette sports cars. He told me he didnt have time to file the forms. I told him several times to file. He thought he knew better. He went to jail. So did his children who were involved in the business.

    This is very, very serious.

    Just because someone forgets to file a certain form with the IRS, that person can go do serious jail time?

    Yes.

    According to Schnepper, quite a few Americans have already received very substantial sentences for this kind of thing....

    In fiscal 2004, the Internal Revenue Service initiated 1,789 criminal investigations. There were 1,304 indictments and 687 convictions -- and an 89.1% incarceration rate. The average sentence: 63 months.

    In fiscal 2005, the IRS started 4,269 investigations, winning 2,406 indictments and 2,151 convictions and an 83% incarceration rate. Average sentence: 42 months.

    The reality is that governments around the world are getting very, very sensitive about large amounts of cash and they are not messing around.

    They don't want all of us running around with big piles of cash. They want our money in the banks where they can track it, trace it and keep a close eye on it.

    On the one hand, it is a good thing to catch criminals and terrorists, but on the other hand how much privacy and freedom are we willing to lose just so that we can feel a little safer?

    And as cash becomes criminalized, are all of us going to be forced into the banking system whether we like it or not? If we cannot pay for things in cash, what other choices are we going to have?

    The truth is that the more you think about this issue, the more disturbing it becomes.

    So what do you think about all of this? Feel free to leave a comment below.

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    There is a lot of suspicion already out there on the subject of cash and the government's attempt to track its' use. I suppose an interesting tipping point will be reached when gun sales are required to be effected with a credit card or other searchable source. As a well armed liberal, I find myself in unusual company on the issue of cash for guns, but I think it remains a bastion of liberty in an increasingly Big Brother world. If I owned guns (which I won't admit here) they sure as hell wouldn't be traceable by any government agency if I could help it. The Bush Administration taught me that an unarmed liberal is by definition an outgunned one.
    "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much it is whether we provide enough for those who have little." - Franklin D. Roosevelt

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      Re: The Death Of Cash? All Over The World Governments Are Banning Large Cash Transactions

      Tracking all non-cash transactions greatly assists monitoring citizens living abroad.

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        I have posted a number of times the last few years the cash would be king. The Digital money system has not had the diligent governance necessary to maintain its credibility. Gold and silver and actual printed money will be the "real" currency of exchange until then.

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          Re: The Death Of Cash? All Over The World Governments Are Banning Large Cash Transactions

          Originally posted by Jeff View Post
          There is a lot of suspicion already out there on the subject of cash and the government's attempt to track its' use. I suppose an interesting tipping point will be reached when gun sales are required to be effected with a credit card or other searchable source. As a well armed liberal, I find myself in unusual company on the issue of cash for guns, but I think it remains a bastion of liberty in an increasingly Big Brother world. If I owned guns (which I won't admit here) they sure as hell wouldn't be traceable by any government agency if I could help it. The Bush Administration taught me that an unarmed liberal is by definition an outgunned one.

          LOL! I tell all my friends that every liberal should be well-armed and a good shot; my wife and I and both our kids are.

          The whole cash thing just doesn't worry me. There is no reasonable expectation of totally pure privacy for commercial transactions because so many are public and involve strangers who keep commercial records. The 4th amendment says:

          "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
          effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures..."

          Our right to privacy is clearly focused on our personal interactions behind closed doors and our unpublished writing, thinking and conversations. What we buy in the public square is more publicly visible.

          On a practical level I don't find it worth worrying about. I guess I have the false courage of a minnow in a school - yeah, someone will have an undeserved bad experience but odds are it won't be me.

          I'd rather spend my angst on real threats here now, like banksters getting away with massive fraud and corrupted stock markets.

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            Re: The Death Of Cash? All Over The World Governments Are Banning Large Cash Transactions

            Maybe if we all moved to Antarctica and joined the penguins, we all could live in freedom. Better to stand on each other's toes to keep from being frost-bit than to be watched day and night by governments.

            How do you sell your coin collection of gold coins and not be put onto a list? And the rub is, how do you know what you paid for a gold coin over a period of a lifetime? Was it $35 or $500 or $1300? What do you report to the sovereign? Which jurisdiction do you report to; your jurisdiction of permanent residence, or your jurisdiction of temporary residence, or where?

            When I was in the coin business, I had police reports for everything I bought, but I gave them to the police departments. I never kept them beyond five years or so. Everything is in boxes under my house, and I don't want to go through these boxes. That would be worse than death, plus there is a dead rat under my house. I'm not going down there. And my boxes went thru a flood once or twice or thrice, too, so they smell.

            I'll take my coin collection to Antarctica and join with the penguins and watch the southern lights in the sky. Better to live in peace and freedom, and to not be watched and to not be married to a woman. The penguins would teach me how to make a living at age 62.

            People think I'm mentally ill, but really: "Live free or die."

            Without the right to own gold in privacy and peace, to enjoy the beauty of the dates, the mint-marks, the designs, and the history, then there is no point in living.
            Last edited by Starving Steve; August 31, 2010, 01:33 PM.

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              I went to my local B of A this morning to payoff my monthly CC balance and saw they had erected top-of-the-counter-top to the ceiling one inch thick bullet-proof glass all along the teller line. Transactions are done through a slot. Discourages robbers. How about customers?



              there for a reason...

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                Re: The Death Of Cash? All Over The World Governments Are Banning Large Cash Transactions

                I hope this doesn't adversely affect affect rap videos. /s

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                  Re: The Death Of Cash? All Over The World Governments Are Banning Large Cash Transactions

                  The whole cash thing just doesn't worry me. There is no reasonable expectation of totally pure privacy for commercial transactions because so many are public and involve strangers who keep commercial records.
                  There is a pattern I've noticed with bureaucracies. First they monitor, then they manipulate. When push comes to shove and pressure is applied to a bureaucracy, they use the metrics available to them to punish and reward, to hire and fire, to promote and imprison.

                  We know push is coming to shove.

                  We know that bureaucracies are rather crude in their response when pressed. Just ask gun owners around New Orleans the week after Katrina hit.

                  Don't give the b*st*rds any more ammunition than you have to.
                  Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                    I blame Maggie, she started by insisting British companies pay their staff through banks instead of cash, easier to keep track of.

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                      In this "righteous" war on cash and gold and coin collectors, maybe one might ask a few questions of the sovereign nations here:

                      Hello Scotland: Why did you approve the release of the Lockarbie bomber and hand that murderer over to Libya, and to a hero's welcome no less? Where is the money-trail on that affair? Were the proper forms filled-out?

                      Hello America: Why have you been air-lifting pallets of U.S. currency over to warlords in Afganistan and Pakistan, in exchange for their support? Why is there still an orderly flow of opium going from Afganistan down to Pakistan and then out to the rest of the world? Why is Bin Laden still in Pakistan and apparently doing just fine? Why is the Taliban richer than ever? Why aren't we winning this war on terrorists? Were the proper currency reporting forms filled-out on the bribes?

                      (Maybe better not to ask any more questions of the IRS or Inland Revenue in the UK.)

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                        Re: The Death Of Cash? All Over The World Governments Are Banning Large Cash Transactions

                        Isn't banning personal ownership of gold a pretty natural outcome of banning large cash transactions?

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                          I can forsee a time when venders might price their wares in fractions of silver and gold money, i.e. items selling for $1 silver coins, or $5 gold coins. It would be impossible to trace and would technically keep transactions under the declarable dollar limit. Of course, they all might end up in jail...

                          Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                            Re: The Death Of Cash? All Over The World Governments Are Banning Large Cash Transactions

                            Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
                            Isn't banning personal ownership of gold a pretty natural outcome of banning large cash transactions?
                            In our Internet era there is always the possibility of a leak of legislation in progress, but by the time of a leak it will be too late. It's interesting to note that the last time gold ownership was criminalized in the U.S. in the 1930s it occurred after most private owners had already complied with government requests to turn gold in for dollars. The law was more of a mopping up than a rounding up process. So, the development to watch for this time, the leading edge of the criminalization process if it were to happen again, is in our Internet age arguments from credible private gold owners who support a move to allow only central banks to be legal owners of gold. These editorials will precede any actual legislation, as a kind of lipnes test of the reaction of gold owners. In parallel, expect The Bullhorn to paint gold owners as people associated with criminal elements who, because they can no longer use large quantities of untraceable cash, use gold for illicit transactions. Once gold is associated with criminality, anyone with a serious business reputation will sell quickly to avoid association. The price will plunge. I recommend that everyone pay careful attention. 2010 is not 1933.

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                              Re: The Death Of Cash? All Over The World Governments Are Banning Large Cash Transactions

                              Originally posted by EJ View Post
                              In our Internet era there is always the possibility of a leak of legislation in progress, but by the time of a leak it will be too late. It's interesting to note that the last time gold ownership was criminalized in the U.S. in the 1930s it occurred after most private owners had already complied with government requests to turn gold in for dollars. The law was more of a mopping up than a rounding up process. So, the development to watch for this time, the leading edge of the criminalization process if it were to happen again, is in our Internet age arguments from credible private gold owners who support a move to allow only central banks to be legal owners of gold. These editorials will precede any actual legislation, as a kind of lipnes test of the reaction of gold owners. In parallel, expect The Bullhorn to paint gold owners as people associated with criminal elements who, because they can no longer use large quantities of untraceable cash, use gold for illicit transactions. Once gold is associated with criminality, anyone with a serious business reputation will sell quickly to avoid association. The price will plunge. I recommend that everyone pay careful attention. 2010 is not 1933.
                              A really interesting point. I submit that there will be an initial push towards associating *physical* gold with criminality. Feel free to hold gold in ETFs or large (and easily monitored) sites such as bullionvault, but actual physical possession would be where they try to get the camel's nose under the tent.

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