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    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Would you be willing to pay the original builder a fee when you resell your home? That's an obligation some developers are trying to slap on homeowners in their communities.

    Many condo and townhouse dwellers are already familiar with the "flip tax," more formally known as a resale fee. Typically calculated as a percentage of the sale price, it's a fee due to the condo association or community when an owner sells. These charges fund common-area maintenance or provide a boost to reserve funds, which benefits the association's homeowners.

    But in some new developments, homebuilders areincluding in contracts a 1% fee to be paid to them every time the house is sold -- for 99 years. And the money doesn't go for improvements or upkeep: It's just money in the builders' pockets.

    That has the real estate industry and consumer protection groups up in arms.

    "It's of no benefit to consumers," said Kathleen Day, of the Center for Responsible Lending. "It's another innovative way to price gouge. Every extra dollar they suck out of people's wallets takes away from other spending. It's not good for the economy."

    The issue has attracted the attention of Washington, where Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., is leading a charge against the fees. "Consumers are not in a position to deal with another level of complexity, one that pits plain vanilla homes against ones that come with fees," he said.

    Freehold Capital Partners, the New York-based financial company that is developing the program, claims it has already signed up thousands of developers nationwide, representing hundreds of billions of dollars of development.

    The company's plan is to monetize that future income -- essentially allowing developers to get paid now rather than later. To do that, Freehold would bundle together the estimated income from the future fees and sell that package to investors. It claims this new "asset" would be worth about 5% of the original home prices.

    One company that is working with Freehold is Thieman Enterprises, a developer based in Ohio. "I think it's a fantastic program," said owner Ted Thieman. "I can get my development going again."

    He said he needs the upfront cash to fund the building of infrastructure -- roads, sewers and other essentials. Working with Freehold to sell the fee package on to investors would potentially give him enough cash to get projects going and land construction loans more easily.

    Ohio, though, has banned the practice. Thieman thinks that removing this potential funding source will discourage development. He said he will relocate one of his development plans to West Virginia, where he has acquired land. He's disappointed for his home state.

    "We can bring billions into Ohio and jump-start the economy," he said.

    A Utah builder, Development Associates, initiated a similar program several years ago in order to recover some of the up-front costs of its developments. But after complaints from homebuyers, who said they were unaware of the fees, the company withdrew them.

    Some developers regularly include "transfer fees" in their sales contracts, including Lennar, one of the nation's largest builders. But the fees Lennar collects go to local housing-assistance organizations and charities, not back into its own pocket. That has helped keep the practice off lawmakers' radar.

    Still, most real estate experts are against these fees. A coalition of real estate industry organizations and community groups recently sent a letter to Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner recommending that he not allow Freehold's securitization plan to go forward.

    In the letter, the coalition quoted Rep. Sherman, who called the fees "a new predatory scheme."

    In the past month, the Federal Housing Finance Agency proposed restricting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from buying or backing any mortgages that include home resale fees.

    Freehold, of course, defends the program. Chief Operating Officer William White argues that the 1% resale fee will actually benefit consumers by lowering home prices: "No one will pay the same for a home with a [resale fee] as they would for the same home without the fee," he said.

    That would make buying a home easier -- but reselling one at a profit harder. Meanwhile, builders could offset their lower initial selling prices by either collecting on the back-end income stream from future sales, or selling those future earnings off to investors.

    No securitization package has yet been created, according to White. But he's optimistic: "We have been pleased with Wall Street's response to date."

    Whether the program will ever gets off the ground is an open question: 18 states have already banned or restricted the practice, and if the FHFA proposal goes through, it could derail it entirely.

    Sherman does not think the idea is dead. Not yet.

    "We've wounded the beast, but we haven't put a stake through its heart," he said.

    http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/23/real...dex.htm?hpt=T2


    Fire Ants never sleep....

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    Re: FIRE Takes Another Shot at the Housing Cheese

    The world always makes the assumption that the exposure of an error is identical with the discovery of truth -- that error and truth are simply opposite. They are nothing of the sort. What the world turns to, when it has been cured of one error, is usually another error, and maybe one worse than the first one.
    -- H L Mencken

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      Re: FIRE Takes Another Shot at the Housing Cheese

      FIRE Bad!



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        Re: FIRE Takes Another Shot at the Housing Cheese

        Originally posted by don View Post
        ..."It's of no benefit to consumers," said Kathleen Day, of the Center for Responsible Lending. "It's another innovative way to price gouge. Every extra dollar they suck out of people's wallets takes away from other spending. It's not good for the economy."...
        Ignoring the merits, or not, of the fee proposal for the moment, the above statement is complete and utter bullshzt. I see this stupid argument being made so often in so many situations that its enough to make me retch.

        Each and every dollar "sucked out of people's wallets" will get spent...by someone else. What does the outraged Ms. Day think the recipients are going to do with the fee income? Cast fistfulls of FRNs into the concrete foundations of their next project?

        The money doesn't disappear folks. The developers, builders and their employees are consumers too!

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          Re: FIRE Takes Another Shot at the Housing Cheese

          Except when the dollar gets sucked into the FIRE economy. Then, it disappears from the real (production/consumption) economy.

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            Re: FIRE Takes Another Shot at the Housing Cheese

            Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
            Ignoring the merits, or not, of the fee proposal for the moment, the above statement is complete and utter bullshzt. I see this stupid argument being made so often in so many situations that its enough to make me retch.

            Each and every dollar "sucked out of people's wallets" will get spent...by someone else. What does the outraged Ms. Day think the recipients are going to do with the fee income? Cast fistfulls of FRNs into the concrete foundations of their next project?

            The money doesn't disappear folks. The developers, builders and their employees are consumers too!
            It's pure Shell Game economics. Make things complex, flips the shells around, and run off with the money. Our economy has become rotten with it.

            I would be OK with it if we had a massive luxury tax, so that the people who got the money couldn't spend it on luxuries without having to pay through the friggen nose.

            Unfortunately, all too often, these morons go and spend their shell game profits on Vacations, Yachts, Fast Cars and Big Houses .. all creating distortions in the economy that becomes too focused on innovations in building luxury items / services and not innovations in producing food/shelter/clothing/healthcare/education.

            Rich people know how to invest money, but poor people know how to spend it.
            Last edited by blazespinnaker; August 25, 2010, 11:24 AM.

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              Re: FIRE Takes Another Shot at the Housing Cheese

              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              Ignoring the merits, or not, of the fee proposal for the moment, the above statement is complete and utter bullshzt. I see this stupid argument being made so often in so many situations that its enough to make me retch.

              Each and every dollar "sucked out of people's wallets" will get spent...by someone else. What does the outraged Ms. Day think the recipients are going to do with the fee income? Cast fistfulls of FRNs into the concrete foundations of their next project?

              The money doesn't disappear folks. The developers, builders and their employees are consumers too!
              However, lower income folks spend a larger proportion of their income as compared to higher earning people. Hence, the probability that this money will get saved instead of spent immediately is higher in the case which she is discussing.

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              • #8
                Re: FIRE Takes Another Shot at the Housing Cheese

                Originally posted by ViC78 View Post
                However, lower income folks spend a larger proportion of their income as compared to higher earning people. Hence, the probability that this money will get saved instead of spent immediately is higher in the case which she is discussing.
                Billions have been spent on directing the sheeple, aka consumers, to spend their "disposal income" on stuff. The school system is another major contributor, along with the MSM. David vs Goliath, without the slingshot, and David brainwashed into thinking that Goliath is benign.

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                • #9
                  Re: FIRE Takes Another Shot at the Housing Cheese

                  Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post

                  Rich people know how to invest money, but poor people know how to spend it.
                  It is kind of difficult to invest money when you are making $8 - $10 /hr. You would be lucky to get by even if you are eating Ramen all the time. I suggest that you read this book -
                  Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America for a perspective on the lives of low skill job workers in America.

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                    Re: FIRE Takes Another Shot at the Housing Cheese

                    Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
                    It's pure Shell Game economics. Make things complex, flips the shells around, and run off with the money. Our economy has become rotten with it.

                    I would be OK with it if we had a massive luxury tax, so that the people who got the money couldn't spend it on luxuries without having to pay through the friggen nose.

                    Unfortunately, all too often, these morons go and spend their shell game profits on Vacations, Yachts, Fast Cars and Big Houses .. all creating distortions in the economy that becomes too focused on innovations in building luxury items / services and not innovations in producing food/shelter/clothing/healthcare/education.

                    Rich people know how to invest money, but poor people know how to spend it.
                    Somebody has to build the houses yachts, and fast cars the nasty rich buy. Someone has to mix the drinks or the vacation is not complete. This vilifying of the rich as if the world would be a much better place without them is juvenile, and serves as a distraction.

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                    • #11
                      Re: FIRE Takes Another Shot at the Housing Cheese

                      Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
                      Rich people know how to invest money, but poor people know how to spend it.
                      Nice, I liked that. Hey, they are doing their part to keep inflation at bay!

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                      • #12
                        Re: FIRE Takes Another Shot at the Housing Cheese

                        Agreed. I guess it's more a question of how efficiently the money is being used as it moves down the line. If its used to buy a car, it helps create jobs. If some guy throws feces on a canvas and calls it art, and they buy that instead, that may not create so many jobs. You could also substitute "big bloated government" for the "art" in that example , same thing. Both probably not the most efficient users of the money. Just my opinion.

                        I've always wondered if it is possible to quantify this. I mean, if all the money stays in the system, what difference does it make how it's spent? There has to be some difference. I guess it boils down to producing things of VALUE. Hopefully, as this money works its way through the system, something of value, GREATER than the starting value is produced.

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