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  • W. E. Pollock: ZIRP the Wrong Tool For the Job

    http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot...l-for-job.html






    Great Video already posted on this site. It raises some very sound and interesting questions for the future of Human evolution. I did my best to come up with a solution. It is laid out below.

    Please provide that thoughtful feedback that Itulip is know for. I could use any refinements that you may have.


    Thanks!
    (I wrote this on my Iphone4, sorry for the format)

    Okay got it. Gotta have an alt e bubble first, it is a prereq. This only works after we have a stable energy price and secure alternative supply with excess energy! Commodity prices have to be allowed to rise at true market
    rates during this period before the transition, no downward manipulation or supply will give out. We have to let them run to get the supply that we need to do this. Helps third world economic development of course. Hurts us initially, but otherwise we just end up up shit creek without a paddle. Other countries have to agree to this proposal. One more bubble then we all transition to the same economic model.
    PM's are the reserve currency of the world after the transition, the standard by which all currencies are judged. Big inflation followed by permanently high pm prices. Chinese model of no tax on currency to pm to currency transactions.
    Legal tender laws stay in place. You have to convert pm's to currency to use the purchasing power that they provide. Collect taxes in legal tender only, but no round trip tax burden on pm's( currency to pm and back to currency). every one has to agree, no cheating( cheaters will be put out of business in any case, so no need to worry, capital in the form of hard currency will flee any local that does not adhere to this construct.) Pm's are the store of value if the investment climate is poor and if national currencies are behaving poorly too. Currencies for spending and investing and paying taxes, pm's as store of value function and a check on misbehaving governments.


    For the transition, it has to be quick and prearranged.

    Too early to do it today, need energy infrastructure built up first, hence the need for a last bubble.


    It has to be a market solution. Social credit has got to be the mechanism to transform the monetary system to the Friedman model of 100% reserves. This liquidates the debt and capitalizes banks. Banks have to offer competitive interest rates to attract deposits. They have demand checking deposit accounts and they also have shared equity savings accounts that are subject to market risk. These are two different types of accounts and have different risks, rewards and protections. Checking accounts become the utility function of banking and have FDIC insurance. Savings accounts are the equity finance arm of banking, subject to market risk and institutional failure no fdic insurance. The real bills doctrine in electronic form. Self clearing (covered debt only, no protection
    For debt that is not marketable for what the issuer says it is)
    Covered housing bonds.

    Government provides initial influx of excess currency emission to each person equally which they use to purchase assets and then transitions to regular public credit payments to each adult person who is 18 or older or is independent of their parents. You can't pay people to have kids, you'll have a population boom. Once this influx is established and debt is liquidated through currency emission government receipts from taxes and tariffs provide operating revenue. Same thing for our foreign debt, it gets paid in cash to wipe it out. Currency emission is then fixed to the number of people in the population. Gov is the alpha and omega in the process. It creates the currency which people then spend. It extinguishes currency by paying out social credit and by spending on government purchases of goods and services. That part is really important or you will have a run away money supply. The social credit is payed out ( after the initial disbursement) as a dividend to citizens. It is collected and then distributed, NOT printed!!! the government has to run like a corporation we bill others for the global stability we provide. We get paid for the service we offer to other countries around the world. People have to pay for government goods and services that they want, I think the end version of the health care provisions plus the public option give enough choice on health care. It the gov does it better and cheaper than the private sector then for that role, the gov should rule the market. ( as decided by the consumer, a market remember). If the private sector rules a sector ( again, as decided by the consumer) then it should rule and gov should get out of the way. Consumer choice is the "decider" if you will.

    The currency system forms a loop. There has to be initial excess money in the system when the process starts. Otherwise government would take in all the money available. The government can only add to the social credit available when a new citizen turns 18.

    That last part I'd key, to keep the system from constantly inflating social credit must be paid out of government receipts.
    The government must run a surplus, this surplus is the basis for the social credit. If the surplus is reduced either the budget must be cut or the surplus must be reduced or both. The converse is also true. It is imparative that this is gaap compatible.

    Fixing government costs becomes imparitive and all costs have to brought onto the books. No off budget items.

    I think that is it. That should be the stable model after the alt-e bubble.

    I think my tax policy is already pretty clear.

    Need carbon tax before transition but can't change other tax structures before, vat must come AFTER transition.

    After transition

    Carbon tax
    No income tax or flat income tax only
    Vat tax with pre refund for 60-75% of total amount, everyone must pay some taxes. Vat taxes must be shared with states based on how much revenue each state generates.
    (Cali gets more than Oregon for example) it is proportional to revenue. No more state sales taxes.

    No state income taxes, gone. Never disincentivize hard work!!

    States keep property tax ability, but I would prefer a national property tax rate, that only goes to fund state and local government. I think it won't fly though, even though I think it Is the best solution.


    You know how to find me if you need more, but this should be
    Complete, concise, and correct.



    There is a difference between
    knowing the path, and walking
    the path.

    "May the Force be with you,

    Always..."

  • #2
    Re: W. E. Pollock: ZIRP the Wrong Tool For the Job

    Originally posted by jtabeb View Post
    (I wrote this on my Iphone4, sorry for the format)
    Do you have a keyboard on that phone, or do you have the texting fingers of an adolescent Japanese girl ?
    Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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      Re: W. E. Pollock: ZIRP the Wrong Tool For the Job

      Is that a complement?

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      • #4
        Re: W. E. Pollock: ZIRP the Wrong Tool For the Job

        Originally posted by jtabeb View Post
        Is that a complement?
        Yes. The last (and about only) time I tried entering text on a phone without a keyboard, I managed about one (short, misspelled) word per minute. At least I provided my son some brief amusement, as he broke out laughing at my texting ineptitude.

        If you entered that much good quality text without a keyboard, I'm impressed.
        Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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          Re: W. E. Pollock: ZIRP the Wrong Tool For the Job

          Sorry to Disappoint Cow, has a nice keyboard, esp. when you turn it side ways.

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          • #6
            Re: W. E. Pollock: ZIRP the Wrong Tool For the Job

            Originally posted by jtabeb
            I think that is it. That should be the stable model after the alt-e bubble.
            First, a couple of minor details.

            I think it is the government taxes, not government spending and payments, that extinguish excess money.

            I recently read somewhere that VAT taxes, as in Europe, require substantially more administrative overhead than Sales taxes. If I understand correctly, VAT taxes apply at each level of transfer, whereas Sales taxes apply only at the final retail sale. If this is all correct, I'd prefer a Sales tax to a VAT tax, both to reduce the administrative overhead and to reduce the intrusive collection of data on business to business transactions.

            Now to the major point. I don't see an immediate way to express this point persuasively, but my intuition is that your solution does not apply to the real world. It seems that you figure if we could just fix our energy and money systems, we'd be good. You might as well be prescribing certified organic nutritious foods and a healthy exercise regime to someone who just punched out over enemy territory.

            We've got deeper systemic problems in our institutions and civilization that preclude even a pretense of applying any such a "solution", much less that effort working.
            Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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            • #7
              Re: W. E. Pollock: ZIRP the Wrong Tool For the Job

              OK

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              • #8
                Re: W. E. Pollock: ZIRP the Wrong Tool For the Job

                Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                Do you have a keyboard on that phone, or do you have the texting fingers of an adolescent Japanese girl ?
                Speaking of adolescent Asian girls....

                http://www.flixxy.com/chinese-bicycle-acrobatics.htm

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                • #9
                  Re: W. E. Pollock: ZIRP the Wrong Tool For the Job

                  JT,

                  Look at - Summary of MMT ideas in four bullet points

                  and also - A primer on Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)

                  The problems with a commodity based currency are the same, whether the currency is used within a country or between nations. But you are right that the the currency within a nation should not be used to settle international debts.

                  However, as energy becomes more expensive, there will be an increasing imperative toward "localization." Increased localization means less trade between nations.

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                  • #10
                    Re: W. E. Pollock: ZIRP the Wrong Tool For the Job

                    The last thing people need is more credit, for any reason whatsoever.

                    We need more taxation to pay-down deficits and stop the inflation. We also need much higher interest rates to promote saving and investment and to penalize consumption and borrowing.

                    The governments need to run a surplus to fund socialized-medicine for everyone, regardless of age. The governments need to cut the fat retirements for civil servants. Many government jobs and government departments need to be abolished.

                    A federal sales tax such as a GST, as in Canada, is long over-due in the U.S. Income taxes have to go higher, for everyone in the U.S. Running a surplus is paramount.

                    Government can and should manage public works programmes to build power plants in order to reduce the cost of energy. Such public works programmes would put unemployed people to work and allow them to pay taxes.

                    Government needs to make its fiat money redeemable in gold, not mumbo-jumbo.

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                    • #11
                      Re: W. E. Pollock: ZIRP the Wrong Tool For the Job

                      Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                      The last thing people need is more credit, for any reason whatsoever.

                      We need more taxation to pay-down deficits and stop the inflation. We also need much higher interest rates to promote saving and investment and to penalize consumption and borrowing.

                      The governments need to run a surplus to fund socialized-medicine for everyone, regardless of age. The governments need to cut the fat retirements for civil servants. Many government jobs and government departments need to be abolished.

                      A federal sales tax such as a GST, as in Canada, is long over-due in the U.S. Income taxes have to go higher, for everyone in the U.S. Running a surplus is paramount.

                      Government can and should manage public works programmes to build power plants in order to reduce the cost of energy. Such public works programmes would put unemployed people to work and allow them to pay taxes.

                      Government needs to make its fiat money redeemable in gold, not mumbo-jumbo.
                      We need to keep the controversial ideas coming, Steve. Here's another one for ya.

                      Americans need to start having more children. The government should support the formation of large families, again. Massive population growth will reduce the cost of labor and support growing industry. The US will be in a better positions to compete in world labor markets. Population growth will stimulate demand at home and make even more opportunities. We need government policy to support large families with monetary incentives and tax breaks. That's how it use to be done back when our countries were prosperous in the US, as in Canada.

                      You are right to question current policies, look where they have gotten us.

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                      • #12
                        Re: W. E. Pollock: ZIRP the Wrong Tool For the Job

                        Yes, I have been rather delighted myself with MMT, as I noted in a few posts a week or two ago.

                        But debating whether it is the commodity theory of money or the chartalist (MMT) theory of money that better applies is a debate that falls to the same criticism as I raised (rather vaguely, in my punching out over enemy territory analogy above) to jtabeb's opening post above. It's focusing on secondary details, not the main force of the matter.

                        For a more direct attack on the main force of the matter, consider F. William Engdahl's recently completed trilogy:
                        1. A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order
                        2. Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation
                        3. Gods of Money: Wall Street and the Death of the American Century

                        This trilogy is based on a quote attributed to Henry Kissinger, when he was U.S. Secretary of State in the 1970's:
                        If you control the oil, you control entire nations; if you control the food, you control the people; if you control the money, you control the entire world.
                        Engdahl introduces the final book of this trilogy in a couple of brief interviews on YouTube: William Engdahl: US won't recover for at least 15 years and Money and Political Power - F. William Engdahl on Economics 101

                        Monetary systems are like guns and bombs, like oil and food, like laws, constitutions, treaties and regulations; they are all instruments of power. The choice of weapon or monetary system is secondary; the more powerful will choose the best options. The rules of the game matter little to he who controls the rule makers, except as yet another instrument of power.
                        Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                        • #13
                          Re: W. E. Pollock: ZIRP the Wrong Tool For the Job

                          MMT --> I feel like the guy with his comment "It blew my socks off." I read this:

                          http://moslerforsenate.com/wp-conten...10/06/7DIF.pdf

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