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    http://english.caing.com/2010-08-16/100171139.html

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    The developed world is essentially competing on bad economic news. Major currencies move on who is worse at the moment. The Greek debt crisis caused the euro to plunge. Now the weak employment and resuming property weaknesses have caused the dollar to plunge. Maybe the yen is next.

    On the other side of the world, inflation is sweeping over the emerging economies. Oil has climbed above US$ 80 per barrel again. Copper is back above US$ 7,000 per ton, closing in on the pre-crisis peak. The prices of agricultural commodities are gapping up. India is seeing double digit inflation. Emerging economies as a whole are experiencing inflation rates above 5 percent on average. India, Korea, and Taiwan have recently raised their interest rates, fearing accelerating inflation and an overheated property market. China has taken steps to rein in the overheating property market. It is still reporting moderate inflation. But, as the data loses touch with what people feel on the street, the pressure for rate hikes may become too strong to resist. Inflation and asset bubbles dominate the concerns of emerging economies.

    The global economy seems to be bifurcating into the ice-cold developed economies and red-hot developing economies. Will the bifurcation persist? If the two sides converge, which side will dominate?

    Let me write the conclusions first: Inflation, not deflation, will dominate the global economy. The deflation scare causes the central banks in the developed economies to sustain a loose monetary policy. It will fuel inflation in emerging economies. Through trade, currency markets, and ultimately inflation expectations, inflation will hit developed economies.

    We are seeing the interplay between the forces of globalization and policy mistakes. Globalization has severely restricted the effectiveness of economic stimulus. Trade plus FDI are half of the global GDP. Trade is visible in terms of stimulus leakage. But, where investment occurs in response to demand growth is far more important. Multinationals can invest anywhere in response to demand. It cuts the linkage between demand stimulus and investment response. The latter is crucial to employment growth, which is necessary for sustaining demand growth beyond stimulus. Essentially, demand is local, but supply is global. This is why the old assumptions on stimulus are no longer reliable.

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    When the Fed or the ECB tries to stimulate, they are actually stimulating the global economy as a whole. Water, no matter where it comes from, flows downwards. Stimulus, similarly, flows to where costs are low and banking systems are healthy. If you believe this logic, the actions of the Fed and the ECB fuel inflation and asset bubbles in emerging economies rather than stimulate growth at home.

    A similar move occurred after the U.S.'s Savings and Loans crisis in the early 1990s. The Fed cut interest rates to 3 percent to help its banking system recover. The lower interest rates pushed Western banks to lend a lot to Southeast Asia, fueling a property bubble there. When the U.S.'s monetary policy was tightened, capital was pulled back. It caused the Asian Financial Crisis of 1997-98.

    Today's story is much bigger and with more dimensions. The emerging economies are twice as big relative to the developed economies with double the trade volume relative to the global economy then. Investment and financial capital can now flow with little friction across the world. I suspect that the Fed policy today would cause distortions in the global economy three times as big as it did in the early 1990s. Its consequences would cause a global calamity far bigger than the Asian Financial Crisis.

    The big difference from the 1990s is the employment response to the stimulus in the developed economies. Despite trillions of dollars in stimulus and a sharp one-year rebound in the global economy from the middle of 2009, the developed economies have virtually seen no employment growth. The consequences of the financial crisis have eaten away quite a big chunk of the stimulus. It is, however, not the full explanation. We are seeing overheating in emerging economies. The stimulus is just working somewhere else.

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    The stimulus policy is more likely to end with inflation. Inflation is a monetary phenomenon. The massive growth in the money supply in the U.S. and other developed economies is not causing inflation for three special reasons. First, the financial crisis has crippled their banking system. Before it is fully repaired, it will slow down money velocity, equivalent to a reduction in money supply in the short term. Second, weak demand is forcing suppliers to refrain from raising prices. Third, as discussed before, multinational companies are investing in emerging economies.

    The first two factors are temporary. When the two factors are removed, many argue that the central banks will have time to withdraw money before inflation happens. This is a bold assumption. The amount of money that has been injected into the global economy is so massive that removing it would be extremely hard. The odds are that the central banks won't be able to.

    Before the first two factors are removed, inflation still can happen via the emerging economies. The price of oil is above US$ 80 per barrel, even though the global economy and the demand for oil are depressed. It has more than doubled from the lows during the 2008 crisis. One could argue that the shortage in supply is the reason. I seriously doubt it. Inflation expectations are likely the critical driver. Today, oil producers are less willing to extract oil from under the ground in exchange for paper currency. Ceteris paribus, the price needs to be higher to motivate them to produce the same amount of oil. Unfortunately, the oil price goes up with further loosening in monetary policy.

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    The recent history shows how volatile commodity prices can be. If the Fed does pursue "QE 2," the CRB index will surely surge. And, it won't collapse like last time. There is so much more money in the world now. Some of it should turn into inflation through commodities. The value of commodities is about one tenth of the global GDP. It is a powerful force in turning money supply into inflation.

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    In the case of the U.S. [comparing to Japan], its bubble deflates after the manufacturing price has declined to China's cost level. China is entering a decade of wage inflation. China's export prices are likely to rise. Hence, the U.S. won't experience what Japan has. Also, the dollar is weak, because the U.S. runs a large current account deficit. The dollar isn't likely to be a source of deflation. The temporary deflation due to suppliers cutting costs at the expense of profit margins will not last.

    A weak economy doesn't mean deflation. Ultimately, inflation is a monetary phenomenon. When inflation spreads to the developed economies from the emerging ones, inflation expectations could become a factor. In the 1970s, despite high unemployment rates, labor demanded a wage increase to compensate for inflation. If the Fed keeps a loose monetary policy for the next decade, such a wage-price spiral is surely to occur.

    There is a bright spot for developed economies from globalization. While their economic data tends to surprise on the downside, the corporate profits will surprise on the upside. This observation is important to many who make a living by taking positions before data releases. Such market gyrations are not important overtime. What's important is its importance to the soundness of the pension system in developed economies. After globalization, aging is the next most important force. After losing labor income growth to globalization, a healthy corporate sector is the only path for meeting their pension liability.

    The globalization reality is that developed economies like Europe, Japan, and the U.S. will suffer slow growth and high unemployment. Stimulus is the wrong medicine for solving problems. Believing this will lead to excessive stimulus, which causes inflation and bubbles in emerging economies first and inflation in developed economies later.

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    Re: xie- developed world deflation+stimulus leakage =>emerging world inflation =>global inflation via commodity prices

    thanks for the post... still making my way through the actual article (thanks for the snips!)

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      Re: xie- developed world deflation+stimulus leakage =>emerging world inflation =>global inflation via commodity prices

      Let me write the conclusions first: Inflation, not deflation, will dominate the global economy. The deflation scare causes the central banks in the developed economies to sustain a loose monetary policy. It will fuel inflation in emerging economies. Through trade, currency markets, and ultimately inflation expectations, inflation will hit developed economies.
      Sounds a bit like KaPOOM .

      So as the developed economies are deleveraging, they stimulate too much, weakening their currencies, causing inflation in the emerging economies that raises prices in the developed economies.

      That's going to hurt, big time. Prices will have doubled, but that won't matter because we couldn't afford it anyway, because we have no job.

      Andy Xie's final words are:
      Stimulus is the wrong medicine for solving problems. Believing this will lead to excessive stimulus, which causes inflation and bubbles in emerging economies first and inflation in developed economies later.
      Huh? What? Yeah, OK, but if that's the wrong medicine, what's the right medicine?

      Did Andy Xie prescribe what should be done somewhere else that I missed?

      This does highlight a weakness in the Chartalist (Modern Money Theory) I've been considering the last couple of weeks. It's something EJ has long warned us of. Excessive creation of Dollar credits (so called stimulus) comes back at us through rising commodity prices. That's an inflation that's difficult to soak up. Raising domestic taxes won't help much.

      Maybe this is why the Global Warming Carbon Credit crowd is maneuvering for a global carbon tax, so as to soak up global currency excesses.
      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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        Re: xie- developed world deflation+stimulus leakage =>emerging world inflation =>global inflation via commodity prices

        Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
        Sounds a bit like KaPOOM .

        So as the developed economies are deleveraging, they stimulate too much, weakening their currencies, causing inflation in the emerging economies that raises prices in the developed economies.
        yup. sounds a lot like another kapoom mechanism.

        Originally posted by tpc
        That's going to hurt, big time. Prices will have doubled, but that won't matter because we couldn't afford it anyway, because we have no job.

        Andy Xie's final words are:


        Huh? What? Yeah, OK, but if that's the wrong medicine, what's the right medicine?

        Did Andy Xie prescribe what should be done somewhere else that I missed?
        no. his conclusion is that the "wrong medicine" is what's going to happen, and he is mapping out the consequences. again, not so different from ej saying the fed will not be able to tighten because of a. political consideration in a sluggish, high-unemployment economy, and b. the rickety debt overhang.
        Originally posted by tpc
        This does highlight a weakness in the Chartalist (Modern Money Theory) I've been considering the last couple of weeks. It's something EJ has long warned us of. Excessive creation of Dollar credits (so called stimulus) comes back at us through rising commodity prices. That's an inflation that's difficult to soak up. Raising domestic taxes won't help much.

        Maybe this is why the Global Warming Carbon Credit crowd is maneuvering for a global carbon tax, so as to soak up global currency excesses.

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          Re: xie- developed world deflation+stimulus leakage =>emerging world inflation =>global inflation via commodity prices

          Originally posted by jk
          no. his conclusion is that the "wrong medicine" is what's going to happen, and he is mapping out the consequences.
          Ah so. No sense in worrying too much what the right medicine is if we're not going to take it anyway I guess.
          Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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            Re: xie- developed world deflation+stimulus leakage =>emerging world inflation =>global inflation via commodity prices

            Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
            Ah so. No sense in worrying too much what the right medicine is if we're not going to take it anyway I guess.
            makes me wish i had more than 30% in Au.

            <--- my new fav emoticon. so captures how i feel during these times.

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              Re: xie- developed world deflation+stimulus leakage =>emerging world inflation =>global inflation via commodity prices

              Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
              Ah so. No sense in worrying too much what the right medicine is if we're not going to take it anyway I guess.
              of course, then there are some ills that no medicine can cure.

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                Re: xie- developed world deflation+stimulus leakage =>emerging world inflation =>global inflation via commodity prices

                Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                This does highlight a weakness in the Chartalist (Modern Money Theory) I've been considering the last couple of weeks. It's something EJ has long warned us of.
                Another little item in support of the MMT - Deficit Chicken Littles Miss Another Doomsday Deadline

                China is dumping Treasuries and interest rates remain low. Will the doomsayers see the error of their ways?

                In a post titled “China Cuts US Treasury Holdings By Record Amount,” Mike Norman makes the excellent observation that while China is moving its money out of Treasuries, interest rates are hitting record lows. In other words, the sky still isn’t falling. So, Mike wonders, “Where is the Debt/Doomsday crowd?” He rightly concludes that “They’re nowhere to be found because they can’t explain this. This is a ‘gut punch’ to them. Their whole theory is out the window. They just don’t understand or don’t want to understand, that interest rates are set by the Fed…PERIOD!!!”

                Also of note: Nikkei QUICK News reports that the #309 10-year bond, the current benchmark, has traded to a yield of 0.920% Tuesday morning, down 2.5 basis points from yesterday’s close. This is the lowest yield since August 13, 2003. U.S. Treasuries traded higher overnight and press articles suggest that China is finding the safety of JGBs attractive.

                This, from a country with a debt-to-GDP ratio of 210%!

                I know what the deficit hawks are now saying — it is only a matter of time!
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                  Re: xie- developed world deflation+stimulus leakage =>emerging world inflation =>global inflation via commodity prices

                  Mike Norman makes the excellent observation that while China is moving its money out of Treasuries, interest rates are hitting record lows. In other words, the sky still isn’t falling. So, Mike wonders, “Where is the Debt/Doomsday crowd?” He rightly concludes that “They’re nowhere to be found because they can’t explain this. This is a ‘gut punch’ to them. Their whole theory is out the window. They just don’t understand or don’t want to understand, that interest rates are set by the Fed…PERIOD!!!”
                  I'm not buying it. There are other explanations.

                  Similar claims were made when unprofitable tech startups were going public prior to 2001.

                  Similar claims were made when home prices were topping in 2005.

                  This time is different, as the argument goes, "Bond prices will keep increasing because the Fed sets interest rates."

                  Hardly, it's a bubble like the rest. The herd will keep buying until it runs out of suckers. Good luck!
                  Last edited by dummass; August 18, 2010, 11:44 AM.

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                    Re: xie- developed world deflation+stimulus leakage =>emerging world inflation =>global inflation via commodity prices

                    Can't the Fed buy treasuries in secret to keep rates down forever? Isn't this how money printing is suppose to work?



                    Originally posted by dummass View Post
                    I'm not buying it. There are other explanations.

                    Similar claims were made when unprofitable tech startups were going public prior to 2001.

                    Similar claims were made when home prices were topping in 2005.

                    This time is deferent, as the argument goes, "Bond prices will keep falling because the Fed sets interest rates."

                    Hardly, it's a bubble like the rest. The herd will keep buying until it runs out of suckers. Good luck!

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                      Re: xie- developed world deflation+stimulus leakage =>emerging world inflation =>global inflation via commodity prices

                      Originally posted by jk View Post
                      http://english.caing.com/2010-08-16/100171139.html


                      {snip}

                      When the Fed or the ECB tries to stimulate, they are actually stimulating the global economy as a whole. Water, no matter where it comes from, flows downwards. Stimulus, similarly, flows to where costs are low and banking systems are healthy. If you believe this logic, the actions of the Fed and the ECB fuel inflation and asset bubbles in emerging economies rather than stimulate growth at home.

                      A similar move occurred after the U.S.'s Savings and Loans crisis in the early 1990s. The Fed cut interest rates to 3 percent to help its banking system recover. The lower interest rates pushed Western banks to lend a lot to Southeast Asia, fueling a property bubble there. When the U.S.'s monetary policy was tightened, capital was pulled back. It caused the Asian Financial Crisis of 1997-98.

                      Today's story is much bigger and with more dimensions. The emerging economies are twice as big relative to the developed economies with double the trade volume relative to the global economy then. Investment and financial capital can now flow with little friction across the world. I suspect that the Fed policy today would cause distortions in the global economy three times as big as it did in the early 1990s. Its consequences would cause a global calamity far bigger than the Asian Financial Crisis.



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                      If capital was flowing to southeast Asia after the S&L crises, shouldn't we expect to see a downward trend in net inflows? I'd like to see some evidence of this claim before I buy into his argument.

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                        Re: xie- developed world deflation+stimulus leakage =>emerging world inflation =>global inflation via commodity prices

                        Originally posted by touchring View Post
                        Can't the Fed buy treasuries in secret to keep rates down forever? Isn't this how money printing is suppose to work?
                        Would that make it any less of a bubble? Sure, the Fed could keep feeding the bubble and it probably will--until it can't!

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                          Re: xie- developed world deflation+stimulus leakage =>emerging world inflation =>global inflation via commodity prices

                          Originally posted by touchring View Post
                          Can't the Fed buy treasuries in secret to keep rates down forever? Isn't this how money printing is suppose to work?
                          It doesn't have to be the Fed -- but yes ultimately the transaction results in there being more dollars in the system. Theoretically this should put a downward pressure on the dollar at sometime. However, then the dollars can be mopped up using selective fiscal policy and possibly higher interest rates. IMO fiscal policy being preferred to monetary policy -- because monetary policy just kicks the can further down the road. But that is a political decision.

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