The Three Chinas and World Energy Demand

[Rajiv]

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This is revisionism.

I don't believe it is -- the book is still there for all to read.

[Master Shake]

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I'm with you in general: war, famine, and emerging infectious diseases will keep world population growth in check.

[thunderdownunder]

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Do we have the resources to satisfy everyone's needs in a western industrialized life?

Needs and what your familiar with may come as a shock to your great, great grand children. The answer is Yes once you get away from your wants.
Clean air, water and food is sustainable - growth for avarice, greed and perceived power over your neighbour will kill you and the World as you know it.
Learn to live simply and cut your "burn rate". We will go back into the Future. Jesse would say this " what does it profit a man if he gains the whole World only to lose his humanity".
What is the greatest mystery for Man - to understand that Death comes to all while never expecting it will happen to Him

[thriftyandboringinohio]

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I'm with you in general: war, famine, and emerging infectious diseases will keep world population growth in check.

War, famine and plague have not been effective thus far.
Perhaps we should try the birth control methods from medical science.

[dummass]

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Jared Diamond lost all credibility with me - see this:

http://www.stinkyjournalism.org/late...pdates-149.php

Mr. Diamond is in the category of Thomas Friedman: sounds nice, but has an agenda and is not reliable for facts or analysis.

Agreed, reading his book, Collapse, was a complete waste of time, especially the last chapter where he extolled the virtues of big oil; it read like a an infomercial for Exon. He's just another sell-out (the list is getting longer by the day).

[Master Shake]

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Birth control usually only works for the people you want reproducing, the most intelligent (Watch Idiocracy).

[vinoveri]

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War, famine and plague have not been effective thus far.
Perhaps we should try the birth control methods from medical science.

And maybe revisit eugenics while we're at it! Medical science has progressed so far now. Wow just think of what a "wonderful" world we can engineer, everyone beautiful, smart, and talented.
Where's Margaret Sanger when we need her? Dr. Mengele was just a couple of generations ahead of his time.

[gnk]

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Needs and what your familiar with may come as a shock to your great, great grand children. The answer is Yes once you get away from your wants.
Clean air, water and food is sustainable - growth for avarice, greed and perceived power over your neighbour will kill you and the World as you know it.
Learn to live simply and cut your "burn rate". We will go back into the Future. Jesse would say this " what does it profit a man if he gains the whole World only to lose his humanity".
What is the greatest mystery for Man - to understand that Death comes to all while never expecting it will happen to Him

There are nations that have fought for clean water and arable land, and there are nations that have fought to maintain their above average standard of living. Both types of wars are equally deadly, and unfortunately neither type will go away anytime soon.

[thriftyandboringinohio]

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And maybe revisit eugenics while we're at it! Medical science has progressed so far now. Wow just think of what a "wonderful" world we can engineer, everyone beautiful, smart, and talented.
Where's Margaret Sanger when we need her? Dr. Mengele was just a couple of generations ahead of his time.

Argument by false choice. There is a lot of room for better solutions between the two extreme positions.

On the one hand, rooting for war, famine and plague to kill millions of people and reduce the population seems bad.

On the other hand, invoking racist ideas about eugenics and a super race seems bad.

We can probably try hard and come up with other solutions that many people could accept and which are not bad.

[thriftyandboringinohio]

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Birth control usually only works for the people you want reproducing, the most intelligent (Watch Idiocracy).

Careful, it's easy to conflate poverty with lack of intelligence.

[vinoveri]

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Argument by false choice. There is a lot of room for better solutions between the two extreme positions.

On the one hand, rooting for war, famine and plague to kill millions of people and reduce the population seems bad.

On the other hand, invoking racist ideas about eugenics and a super race seems bad.

We can probably try hard and come up with other solutions that many people could accept and which are not bad.

How about we just leave people/humanity alone? I think they/it can do just fine without some grand scheme from central planners.
Let's attend to our own lives, families, neighbors, and communities, and be the best persons we can be. I hope we can be humble enough to let others do the same, but fear this will not be the case.

[Master Shake]

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Careful, it's easy to conflate poverty with lack of intelligence.

You don't think there's a causal relationship?

[chr5648]

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Careful, it's easy to conflate poverty with lack of intelligence.

A few weeks ago current tv had a program on the worlds need for toilets and disposal of fecal matter. They went to poverty stricken places to show the need for toilets. They showed pictures of people crapping right where they bathe(rivers,lakes), live (houses, streets, public places). They were arguing for toilets, I sat there thinking how the heck can you take a crap in the same place where you bathe, eat, sleep, live, and just leave it there on the ground. They practically lived in their own crap, stepping on it and such. It astounds me how in the year 2010 there are still people in the world that can do these things, common sense and some human decency would lead you to at least build an outhouse, or travel a few meters away from your living quarters.

[Starving Steve]

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Some people get offended by my politically-incorrect use of term, "turd world" to describe the actual and real living-conditions in much of the Third World, especially South-west Asia, the Middle East, and Africa. Yes, the lack of toilets is an issue in the Third World. And why is that?

[touchring]

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A few weeks ago current tv had a program on the worlds need for toilets and disposal of fecal matter. They went to poverty stricken places to show the need for toilets. They showed pictures of people crapping right where they bathe(rivers,lakes), live (houses, streets, public places). They were arguing for toilets, I sat there thinking how the heck can you take a crap in the same place where you bathe, eat, sleep, live, and just leave it there on the ground. They practically lived in their own crap, stepping on it and such. It astounds me how in the year 2010 there are still people in the world that can do these things, common sense and some human decency would lead you to at least build an outhouse, or travel a few meters away from your living quarters.

Laziness.