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    Outsourcing to India Draws Western Lawyers

    By HEATHER TIMMONS

    NOIDA, India — As an assistant attorney general for New York State, Christopher Wheeler used to spend most of his time arguing in courtrooms in New York City.

    Today, he works in a sprawling, unfinished planned suburb of New Delhi, where office buildings are sprouting from empty lots and dirt roads are fringed with fresh juice stalls and construction rubble. At Pangea3, a legal outsourcing firm, Mr. Wheeler manages a team of 110 Indian lawyers who do the grunt work traditionally assigned to young lawyers in the United States — at a fraction of the cost.

    India’s legal outsourcing industry has grown in recent years from an experimental endeavor to a small but mainstream part of the global business of law.

    Cash-conscious Wall Street banks, mining giants, insurance firms and industrial conglomerates are hiring lawyers in India for document review, due diligence, contract management and more.

    Now, to win new clients and take on more sophisticated work, legal outsourcing firms in India are actively recruiting experienced lawyers from the West. And American and British lawyers — who might once have turned up their noses at the idea of moving to India, or harbored an outright hostility to outsourcing legal work in principle — are re-evaluating the sector.

    The number of legal outsourcing companies in India has mushroomed to more than 140 at the end of 2009, from 40 in 2005, according to Valuenotes, a consulting firm in Pune, India. Revenue at India’s legal outsourcing firms is expected to grow to $440 million this year, up 38 percent from 2008, and should surpass $1 billion by 2014, Valuenotes estimates.

    “This is not a blip, this is a big historical movement,” said David B. Wilkins, director of Harvard Law School’s program on the legal profession. “There is an increasing pressure by clients to reduce costs and increase efficiency,” he added, and with companies already familiar with outsourcing tasks like information technology work to India, legal services is a natural next step.

    So far, the number of Western lawyers moving to outsourcing companies could be called more of a trickle than a flood. But that may change, as more business flows out of traditional law firms and into India. Compensation for top managers at legal outsourcing firms is competitive with salaries at midsize law firms outside of major metropolitan areas of the United States, executives in the industry say. Living costs are much lower in India, and often, there is the added allure of stock in the outsourcing company.

    Right now, Pangea3 is “getting more résumés from United States lawyers than we know what to do with,” said Greg McPolin, managing director of the company’s litigation services group, who divides his time between India and New York.

    Outsourcing remains a highly contentious issue in the West, particularly as law firms have been trimming their staffs and curtailing hiring plans. But Western lawyers who have joined outsourcing firms are unapologetic about the shift to India.

    Leah Cooper left her job as managing lawyer for the giant mining company Rio Tinto in February to become director of legal outsourcing for CPA Global, a contract legal services company with offices in Europe, the United States and India. Before hiring Ms. Cooper, CPA Global added lawyers from Bank of America and Alliance & Leicester, a British bank. The company has more than 1,500 lawyers now, and Ms. Cooper said she planned to hire hundreds in India in the next 12 months.

    At Rio Tinto, Ms. Cooper said, she became a champion of the idea of moving work like document review to a legal outsourcing company “because it works really well.”

    “It really is the future of legal services,” said Ms. Cooper, an American based in London who travels regularly to India and has spoken widely in promoting outsourcing. Still, she acknowledges hostility toward the practice. “When I was doing public speaking, people used to joke that I had better check under my car” for something planted by a junior associate angered by her views, she said.

    Many legal outsourcing firms have offices around the world to interact with clients, but keep the majority of their employees in India; some also have a stable of lawyers in the Philippines. Thanks to India’s low wages and costs and a big pool of young, English-speaking lawyers, outsourcing firms charge from one-tenth to one-third what a Western law firm bills an hour.

    Employees at legal outsourcing companies in India are not allowed by Indian law to give legal advice to clients in the West, no matter their qualifications. Instead, legal outsourcing companies perform a lot of the functions that a junior lawyer might do in a American law firm.

    Even global law firms like Clifford Chance, which is based in London, are embracing the concept.

    “I think the toothpaste is out of the tube,” said Mark Ford, director of the firm’s Knowledge Center, an office south of New Delhi with 30 Indian law school graduates who serve Clifford Chance’s global offices. Mr. Ford lived in India for six months to set up the center, and now manages it from London.

    “We as an industry have shown that a lot of basic legal support work can successfully be done offshore very cost-effectively with no quality problems,” Mr. Ford said. “Why on earth would clients accept things going back?”

    Many corporations agree that outsourcing legal work, in some form or another, is here to stay.

    “We will continue to go to big firms for the lawyers they have who are experts in subject matter, world-class thought leaders and the best litigators and regulatory lawyers around the world — and we will pay a lot of money for those lawyers,” said Janine Dascenzo, associate general counsel at General Electric.

    What G.E. does not need, though, is the “army of associates around them,” Ms. Dascenzo said. “You don’t need a $500-an-hour associate to do things like document review and basic due diligence,” she said.

    Western lawyers making the leap to legal outsourcing companies come for a variety of reasons, but nearly universally, they say they stay for the opportunities to build a business and manage people.

    “In many respects it is more rewarding than jobs I had in the United States,” said Mr. Wheeler, who moved to India when his Indian-born wife took a job here in 2006.

    “If you’re talking about 15 employees in a windowless basement office, I’m not interested in making that my life’s calling,” he recalled thinking when he started talking to Pangea3. “But building a 500-person office, now that is a real challenge.”

    Shelly Dalrymple left her job as a partner at a firm in Tulsa, Okla., in 2007 and is now based in India as the senior vice president of global litigation services at UnitedLex, a legal outsourcing company with offices in the United States, Britain, Israel and India.

    When she first joined the industry, she said, growth was being driven by corporations that were pushing law firms to outsource to save money. Now, Western law firms themselves are starting to embrace the industry, she said. “We are seeing law firms who are putting a lot of thought into their future coming to us with interesting and creative ideas,” she said.

    Partners in the West are asking legal outsourcing companies in India to create dedicated teams of lawyers for their firms, for example. Those teams could expand and contract depending on how much business the Western firm has. “That means a law firm with 500 members in Chicago can compete with a 2,000-member firm in New York,” Ms. Dalrymple said.

    Moving to a legal outsourcing firm, especially in India, is not for everyone. About 5 percent of Western transplants cannot handle it and move back home, managers estimate.

    Some find it hard to adapt to India. Other times, the job itself does not suit them — after spending years working nearly independently as a litigator, for example, it can be hard to transition to managing and inspiring a team of young foreign lawyers.

    Even lawyers who stay are sometimes wistful about their previous careers. “Of course I miss litigation,” Mr. Wheeler said. But, he added, “watching people learn some of the same skills I did is gratifying.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/bu...egal.html?_r=1

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    Does this mean that more western college students will have to switch from law to engineering in order to get a job when they graduate? Might be a good thing, eh...

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      Re: Perry Patel Moment

      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
      Does this mean that more western college students will have to switch from law to engineering in order to get a job when they graduate? Might be a good thing, eh...
      Wasn't engineering, especially software engineering, already commoditized before this evident trend in law? All major engineering firms have huge R&D centers in third world countries - Intel, Microsoft, Google. It seems that only the best of the best have a chance of earning decent money in engineering in the US.

      Damn, does this mean that it is not viable to be a "knowledge worker" anymore? Hope this trend engulfs "financial engineering" as well.

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        The tasks spoken of as being outsourced in this article are the mind-numbing busy-work that should not be performed by lawyers in the first place. Not that they could not outsource research and brief-writing, but it doesn't sound like it is happening yet.

        I also liked this: "Compensation for top managers at legal outsourcing firms is competitive with salaries at midsize law firms outside of major metropolitan areas of the United States, executives in the industry say." Read: ~$50,000 per year or less, depending on how far "outside" of the metro it is. What kind of talent is going to pack up and head to India for that?

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          Originally posted by Munger View Post
          The tasks spoken of as being outsourced in this article are the mind-numbing busy-work that should not be performed by lawyers in the first place. Not that they could not outsource research and brief-writing, but it doesn't sound like it is happening yet.

          I also liked this: "Compensation for top managers at legal outsourcing firms is competitive with salaries at midsize law firms outside of major metropolitan areas of the United States, executives in the industry say." Read: ~$50,000 per year or less, depending on how far "outside" of the metro it is. What kind of talent is going to pack up and head to India for that?
          Unemployed talent.

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            I think we will see this in all fields. People forget that most of the talent that migrated here from India and are doing extremely well -were already in the top .0001 percent of the scholastic population there.

            Institutions such as All India Institute of Management/Engineering/Science and Medicine have long disproved the 'qualitative' advantage of a western education. As one can see from the growing trend in China of actually going to USA and hiring back their finest minds -this shall also happen elsewhere -right now India but soon Russia/Brazil/Korea etc.

            At the moment -the sheer scale of investment in research heavily subsidized by the US government via grants to its 'premier' educational institutions (Duke/Princeton/Cal Polytech/ MIT/ etc) will diminish. The growing deficit impacts the ability to take the creative contributions of many immigrants and cannabilizing them for US firms to maintain a staggering technological lead. Emerging economies are finally seeing the impact of losses fro the brain drain in terms of economic losses and most importantly in the litigious and patent happy world -intellectual property which transforms to corporate revenue and essentially national hegemony that is leveraged into trade.It may start out as a platform of support services - but I see more of more professionals choosing an education in their home countries (particularly India).

            In the last 3 years I have seen over 10 highly qualified computer professionals eschew MBA degrees in the US and opt to go back to India and get an MBA there. The cost factor and the immediate opportunity to be given an executive position - (due to a winning combination of US work experience, excellent Indian education (usually these guys are top 10 guys from top 10 schools) is just a trickle at the moment but shall in my view become a stream in the next 3 decades.

            The generosity of corporate america and the US government via subsidies (see Wealth of Nations by Robert Reich for a glimmer) building state of the art plants in India/China/Taiwan and South Korea has catalyzed this movement but I doubt if at this point -it is an irreversible reaction.

            Africa is the battle ground for future growth and it seems that Asia will be competing heavily for this opportunity. China has already jumped into this and India has the advantage of being there as small time merchants for decades. Ultimately it remains a resource driven driven world underneath the veneer of technology - and the veneer is peeling -as more developing countries are able to transfer its surplus to maintaining and exploiting intellectual capital.

            I doubt you shall see the 'flight' to safety of US Treasury bonds except for vassal appendages such as Japan/Korea and the GCC. How long it will prop up the chimera of US dominance is unpredictable in terms of time -but the outcome shall be the same. After all -it took Europe from 1260 AD (Marco Polo) to the 1500 for the wheel to turn. It may be the same again if the mark is considered to be 1940 when colonialist master's were forced to show colonials the workings of technology in the aftermath of a world war.

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