Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

[LargoWinch]

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Assange is a hero in the truest sense of that word.

Indeed.

Doing God's work...for real:

[marvenger]

Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

What are you saying? Governments aren't made of people? Something entirely different and always negative?

Balance mate, balance

[reggie]

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So what is Assange, then?

My opinion is that he is simply another node in the system that is the Noble Lie, serving as a societal lever for motives that are not yet readily apparent.

I believe that if this guy was the real deal, and actually a threat, then you and I would have never heard about him in the media (either alternative or mainstream), as all distribution channels would have gone black on his work.

Unfortunately, I believe we're at the tip of the spear in an emerging 5GW world.

[ThePythonicCow]

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WTF are we doing there 9yrs laters after 911?

Oil, opium and a determination that no major region of the world that is rich in resources we covet shall live a free and peaceful life outside of the Western power structure.

[reggie]

Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

Oil, opium and a determination that no major region of the world that is rich in resources we covet shall live a free and peaceful life outside of the Western power structure.

May I also add:

• suppressing energy supply
• destroying their society & culture for global assimilation
• keeping US defense forces OUTSIDE the USA so that the US is militarily defenseless
• degrading the US military in preparation for Chinese military dominance
• putting needless financial pressure on America's public purse
• maintaining the American public's illusion that the war is only on other nations, and not the homeland

[ThePythonicCow]

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degrading the US military in preparation for Chinese military dominance

So will the Chinese finally be the ones to conquer Afghanistan?

And are your suggesting by this and your other replies that the Chinese military could dominant the land now known as the United States, anytime in the next say 50 years? That I find rather difficult to believe is possible.

[reggie]

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So will the Chinese finally be the ones to conquer Afghanistan?

And are your suggesting by this and your other replies that the Chinese military could dominant the land now known as the United States, anytime in the next say 50 years? That I find rather difficult to believe is possible.

Where do you think the US Military's supply chain now originates? Boeing has moved all its tooling and Aerospace manufacturing offshore. Same with our Automakers. And same with all of our advance electronics for tech systems.

Who is going to make the weaponry for the USA to maintain its military dominance over China, the Chinese?

[Ghent12]

Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

Care to explain his lack of integrity?

Ostensibly the purpose is stated as providing "openness and transparency." Posting the full video of the infamous Apache incident fell under that category, but posting the edited version and calling it "Collateral Murder" fell under the the category of agenda-driven half-truths. Relevant details were edited out of the short version, which left the viewer without a complete and accurate picture of what occurred. This is called deception, hence the integrity of the people involved is suspect.

One thing I've learned is to not put anyone on a pedestal without a very extensive consideration process. To give people undue high praise is to invite mediocrity as the gold standard.

[ThePythonicCow]

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My opinion is that he is simply another node in the system that is the Noble Lie, serving as a societal lever for motives that are not yet readily apparent.

I believe that if this guy was the real deal, and actually a threat, then you and I would have never heard about him in the media (either alternative or mainstream), as all distribution channels would have gone black on his work.

Unfortunately, I believe we're at the tip of the speak in an emerging 5GW world.

I agree that we would have been less likely to see Wikileaks mentioned in main stream media if they were true opposition to the system. Good point.

Another detail further casts doubt on Wikileaks for me (though most iTuliper's will find that this bolsters the credibility of Wikileaks). In an interview of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange reported in the Belfast Telegraph last week, Mr. Assange stated:

I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11

Pray tell, reggie, what is "the tip of the speak" ?

[ThePythonicCow]

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Where do you think the US Military's supply chain now originates?

A major war between China and the United States would not last long enough for weapons supply chains to matter.

[D-Mack]

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New York Times reporters met with White House before publishing WikiLeaks story

The administration "praised" New York Times reporters for their handling of leaked Afghan war material

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“I did in fact go the White House and lay out for them what we had,” Baquet said. “We did it to give them the opportunity to comment and react. They did. They also praised us for the way we handled it, for giving them a chance to discuss it, and for handling the information with care. And for being responsible.”

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So, uh ... why was all of this information classified and top secret? If it's old news, and it just confirms what "everyone" already knows, what was the rationale for keeping it classified and calling WikiLeaks all sorts of mean names for publishing it?

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w..._house_meeting

[reggie]

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Pray tell, reggie, what is "the tip of the speak" ?

Oops. I meant "spear" instead of 'speak". The sentence should have read "Unfortunately, I believe we're at the tip of the spear in an emerging 5GW world." I fixed it by editing the post. Thanks

A major war between China and the United States would not last long enough for weapons supply chains to matter.

Yeah, no war necessary. But China will become the dominant military power. The trajectories seem to line up that way.

Oh and today we have this.... I guess the picture become more clear about how that societal level is going to be used this time..

Barack Obama enlists Afghan war leaks in support of policy switch
Material cataloguing blunders justifies decision to deploy 30,000 more US troops, US president says

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ghan-war-logs1

Barack Obama today claimed the disclosures about the mishandling of the Afghanistan war contained in leaked US military documents justified his decision to embark on a new strategy.

Obama, speaking from the Rose Garden after a meeting with congressional leaders to discuss funding for the war and other issues, deplored the leak, saying he was concerned the information from the battleground "could potentially jeopardise individuals or operations".

His first public comment on the leaks came as the US army announced a criminal investigation into their source. Obama chose to play down the leaks' significance, saying: "These documents don't reveal any issues that haven't already informed our public debate on Afghanistan."

But he went on to say the material highlighted the challenges that led him to announce a change in strategy late last year that involved sending an additional 30,000 troops to Afghanistan. The policy is due to be reviewed in December.

The thousands of documents, sent to the website Wikileaks and published in the Guardian, the New York Times and Der Spiegel, dealt mainly with the conduct of the war during the Bush administration. Obama has repeatedly accused the Bush administration of ignoring the Afghanistan war because of its focus on Iraq.

"We failed for seven years to implement a strategy adequate to the challenge," Obama said today, of the period starting with the 9/11 attacks. That is why we have increased our commitment there and developed a new strategy," he said, adding he has also sent one of the finest generals in the US, General David Petraeus.

Insisting that the strategy "can work", he ended with a plea to the House of Representatives to join the Senate in passing a bill to provide funds for the Afghan war as a matter of urgency.

The leaks have focused attention on Afghanistan at a time when the Obama administration would rather concentrate on the economy – the main issue among voters – and have put pressure on him to explain why he thinks his new strategy will succeed where the old one failed. He is also facing pressure to explain continued financial, military and other support for Pakistan, despite allegations in the documents that elements in Pakistani intelligence are supporting the Taliban.

Members of Congress are becoming increasingly sceptical in public about the conduct of the war, and public support is falling. According to the latest Reuters/Ipsos, satisfaction with Obama's handling of the war has dropped to 33%, from 38% in January and 47% in February last year.

The US army is leading a criminal investigation into the source of the leak, the Pentagon said today. The army's criminal investigative command is the same body that investigated and arrested Bradley Manning, the US intelligence analyst charged earlier this month with leaking a video and other material relating to the Iraq war.

The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, said he was appalled by the leaks, telling reporters "there is a real potential threat there to put American lives at risk."

As well as discussing the war funding bill, Afghanistan was being talked about elsewhere in Congress. The Senate foreign relations committee held a hearing on potential talks with Afghan insurgents and a Senate armed services committee held a confirmation hearing on General James Mattis, who is set to replace Petraeus as head of Centcom. Mattis, who will have overall responsibility for the US military in the Middle East and Afghanistan, was reprimanded in 2005 for saying: "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap around women for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway, so it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."

[Slimprofits]

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It passed, but 12 Repubs and 102 Dems (compared to 32 last year) in the House voted against the war supplemental bill today.

As I was saying, this leak marks the beginning of the end for the War Party in Afghanistan.

[iyamwutiam]

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Congress never makes nay decision. It merely lends the veneer of of a democratic process. Obviously we are hurting badly as with each and every decade -we have neither the intellectual capital, real capital and moral capital to be a transparent and democratic nation. Perhaps we have always lived in a bubble manufactured by power brokers that keep the populace bereft of critical thinking -which can ONLY come from having information.

This is where the Pentagon papers and Wikileaks come. However -they have learned well from past experience. Everyone has 'accepted' the premise that war= atrocities and live comfortably in the New World way of prosecuting the little fish for war crimes (Basheer) while the big fish use depleted uranium and atomic bombs on innocent civilians. What a wonderful world we have -we trade sanity, strict morality, critical thinking for a 4k square feet house, 3 cars, pensions and the supercilious belief that we are the 'superior' peeples that due to our wealth extracted from hundreds of nations (mainly resource based) and converted into the veneer of technolgy as 'evidence' of our sanity.

I am sure there are many PhD's/MBAs/MDs etc on this board who have and can mount clever specious , logic based arguments bolstered by slivers of 'facts' and tainted 'studied' that undeniably support this pathological state of being. Self-selection and observer bias will be incredibly high -particularly on these types of forums. Welcome to the new society where we are inundated with examples of Jersey Shore/ the Bachelor/ Jessica Simpson / pro athletes raised to the alters while true scientists, critical thinkers, mathmeticians are reuced to idolatrous worship. If you really think the tilt of societal values, reimbursement pathways -why exactly is it -that some guy makes 300M a year as CEO -? When it is very possible and I am sure experimentally provable that these gentlemen are not in any way unique or for that matter educated.

Welcome to the new world where people are trained and given paper = PhDs, etc but always reminded subtly that the rewards of magnificent riches lie not in the mind but appearance. Sure its all just a social trend that has been 'accidently' re-enforced at every level for the last 60 years or more.

[iyamwutiam]

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double post fixed