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  • Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

    This will bring to an end public support for the war in the USA. Today, the admin. and it's defenders will attempt to focus on the leak aspect. I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the admin. facilitated the leak, but either way, this is huge.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/wo...i.html?_r=1&hp
    The documents, made available by an organization called WikiLeaks, suggest that Pakistan, an ostensible ally of the United States, allows representatives of its spy service to meet directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions to organize networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in Afghanistan, and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders.

    Taken together, the reports indicate that American soldiers on the ground are inundated with accounts of a network of Pakistani assets and collaborators that runs from the Pakistani tribal belt along the Afghan border, through southern Afghanistan, and all the way to the capital, Kabul.

    Much of the information — raw intelligence and threat assessments gathered from the field in Afghanistan— cannot be verified and likely comes from sources aligned with Afghan intelligence, which considers Pakistan an enemy, and paid informants. Some describe plots for attacks that do not appear to have taken place.

    But many of the reports rely on sources that the military rated as reliable.

    While current and former American officials interviewed could not corroborate individual reports, they said that the portrait of the spy agency’s collaboration with the Afghan insurgency was broadly consistent with other classified intelligence.

    Some of the reports describe Pakistani intelligence working alongside Al Qaeda to plan attacks. Experts cautioned that although Pakistan’s militant groups and Al Qaeda work together, directly linking the Pakistani spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, with Al Qaeda is difficult.

    The records also contain firsthand accounts of American anger at Pakistan’s unwillingness to confront insurgents who launched attacks near Pakistani border posts, moved openly by the truckload across the frontier, and retreated to Pakistani territory for safety.

    The behind-the-scenes frustrations of soldiers on the ground and glimpses of what appear to be Pakistani skullduggery contrast sharply with the frequently rosy public pronouncements of Pakistan as an ally by American officials, looking to sustain a drone campaign over parts of Pakistani territory to strike at Qaeda havens. Administration officials also want to keep nuclear-armed Pakistan on their side to safeguard NATO supplies flowing on routes that cross Pakistan to Afghanistan.

    This month, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, in one of the frequent visits by American officials to Islamabad, announced $500 million in assistance and called the United States and Pakistan “partners joined in common cause.”

    The reports suggest, however, that the Pakistani military has acted as both ally and enemy, as its spy agency runs what American officials have long suspected is a double game — appeasing certain American demands for cooperation while angling to exert influence in Afghanistan through many of the same insurgent networks that the Americans are fighting to eliminate.

    Behind the scenes, both Bush and Obama administration officials as well as top American commanders have confronted top Pakistani military officers with accusations of ISI complicity in attacks in Afghanistan, and even presented top Pakistani officials with lists of ISI and military operatives believed to be working with militants.

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    Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

    Originally posted by babbittd
    This will bring to an end public support for the war in the USA. Today, the admin. and it's defenders will attempt to focus on the leak aspect. I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the admin. facilitated the leak, but either way, this is huge.
    Ah, but you are forgetting the 'rogue elements' defense.

    Plus how exactly does this help the Obama administration? Like it or hate it, Obama has placed his prestige firmly on winning the 'War on Terror' in Afghanistan.

    Just because Pakistan is playing its own game, this is not going to allow Mr. Peace Prize to take all his marbles home in a huff.

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    • #3
      Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

      Originally posted by c1ue View Post
      Plus how exactly does this help the Obama administration? Like it or hate it, Obama has placed his prestige firmly on winning the 'War on Terror' in Afghanistan.
      there is that soft deadline of November 2011.... I'm thinking Obama would love to keep that promise for the election in 2012.

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      • #4
        Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

        Assange is a hero in the truest sense of that word.

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        • #5
          Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

          Originally posted by babbittd
          there is that soft deadline of November 2011.... I'm thinking Obama would love to keep that promise for the election in 2012.
          Wholly agree. But it isn't going to be that easy to spin a Taliban resurgence as a 'victory' when the US puppet Karzai already is in titular control of the easily visible parts of Afghanistan.

          Even the American sheeple might ask - why not withdraw now if everything is under control?

          Unless perhaps there Taliban is 'encouraged' to make more attacks on Kabul, so that the US can successfully 'defeat' them?

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          • #6
            Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

            Lots of the stuff sounds like internal propaganda, but stories like these can only help to build a case for an Iran intervention.

            Afghanistan war logs: Anti-aircraft missiles clandestinely transported from Iran into Afghanistan – US report


            http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/afgh...A50356B1C31410

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            • #7
              Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

              Originally posted by D-Mack View Post
              Lots of the stuff sounds like internal propaganda, but stories like these can only help to build a case for an Iran intervention.
              Well, I don't think we needed wikileaks or a PhD in military intelligence to guess that was going on.

              Iran has a hostile US on both sides. It should only be expected that they are supplying arms to our enemies, just as we have done with every proxy enemy since World War I.

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              • #8
                Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

                Originally posted by Serge_Tomiko View Post
                Well, I don't think we needed wikileaks or a PhD in military intelligence to guess that was going on.

                Iran has a hostile US on both sides. It should only be expected that they are supplying arms to our enemies, just as we have done with every proxy enemy since World War I.
                +1

                If anyone was paying attention in the 80's, they know it is very hard for an outside force to operate in Afghanistan without helicopters. In the 80's, the US supplied stingers to the Mujahideen, just as the Soviets had supplied advanced weapons to the North Vietnamese. In neither case did the superpowers think it worth fighting WWIII over the provocation; it's a bit more of a dangerous game for Iran.

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                • #9
                  Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

                  Originally posted by ASH View Post
                  +1

                  If anyone was paying attention in the 80's, they know it is very hard for an outside force to operate in Afghanistan without helicopters. In the 80's, the US supplied stingers to the Mujahideen, just as the Soviets had supplied advanced weapons to the North Vietnamese. In neither case did the superpowers think it worth fighting WWIII over the provocation; it's a bit more of a dangerous game for Iran.
                  You had be a older-teen or young adult to remember in any detail the soviet invasion in afghanistan, and how the US supplied the "freedom fighters" with weapons and stingers against the invaders. Hey, they even made a Rambo about it. What I remember so well were the predictions that the soviets would be forced to withdraw ... as every invading force that ever tried was also evicted or gave up. Yes, I recall, from 30 yrs ago, the talk about how the soviets had not learned from history that occupation/conquering Afghanistan had been demonstrated unattainable, and sure enough the soviets withdrew. WTF are we doing there 9yrs laters after 911?

                  Absent a firm grounding in history, it is only being alive and witnessing mistakes and folly that one comes to see that folly repeated (by our own gov).
                  This is why history and lessons thereof as so important to learn and also, IMO, why it is not emphasized in schools any longer. An educated populace would see through the charade of "war on terror" as explaining our presence in the Gulf and recognize it as nothing less than strategic positioning of a would-be empire (if the population of the US was of an imperious nature vs a live and let live Judeo-Christian ethic perhaps the gov could be more candid).

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                  • #10
                    Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

                    Originally posted by Chomsky View Post
                    Assange is a hero in the truest sense of that word.
                    In my opinion, integrity is a requirement for that title. Therefore, I must disagree.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

                      Originally posted by Ghent12 View Post
                      In my opinion, integrity is a requirement for that title. Therefore, I must disagree.

                      Care to explain his lack of integrity?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

                        I predict that this 'incident' will have little bearing on activities in Afghanistan, as globalist control (production and distribution) of Heroin trumps everything.

                        Further, I am also of the opinion that Assange is a dialectical trap for anyone left inside the Beltway who is not friendly to the globalists mission and too ignorant to know what he is and therefore snared by supplying his organization 'info'. Moreover, I predict Wikileaks will be used as an example to scare-off anyone else thinking about doing similar, but Assange will somehow walk away and probably write a book about it all.

                        I am, however, unable to see clearly why this particular narrative was the one that was chosen. Perhaps hostilities with Pakistan are on the horizon? Motive escapes me, however.
                        The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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                        • #13
                          Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

                          Originally posted by Chomsky View Post
                          Care to explain his lack of integrity?
                          Yes-please do . I am sure there are more than a few of us -who feel annoyed at a blurb -no matter how decisively but yet one that spectacularly fails in elaborating or validating the blurb.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

                            Originally posted by vinoveri View Post
                            You had be a older-teen or young adult to remember in any detail the soviet invasion in afghanistan, and how the US supplied the "freedom fighters" with weapons and stingers against the invaders. Hey, they even made a Rambo about it. What I remember so well were the predictions that the soviets would be forced to withdraw ... as every invading force that ever tried was also evicted or gave up. Yes, I recall, from 30 yrs ago, the talk about how the soviets had not learned from history that occupation/conquering Afghanistan had been demonstrated unattainable, and sure enough the soviets withdrew. WTF are we doing there 9yrs laters after 911?

                            Absent a firm grounding in history, it is only being alive and witnessing mistakes and folly that one comes to see that folly repeated (by our own gov).
                            This is why history and lessons thereof as so important to learn and also, IMO, why it is not emphasized in schools any longer. An educated populace would see through the charade of "war on terror" as explaining our presence in the Gulf and recognize it as nothing less than strategic positioning of a would-be empire (if the population of the US was of an imperious nature vs a live and let live Judeo-Christian ethic perhaps the gov could be more candid).
                            “Governments never learn. Only people learn.”
                            - Milton Friedman
                            Ed.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Wikileaks does it again: NYT: Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

                              Originally posted by reggie View Post
                              I predict that this 'incident' will have little bearing on activities in Afghanistan, as globalist control (production and distribution) of Heroin trumps everything.

                              Further, I am also of the opinion that Assange is a dialectical trap for anyone left inside the Beltway who is not friendly to the globalists mission and too ignorant to know what he is and therefore snared by supplying his organization 'info'. Moreover, I predict Wikileaks will be used as an example to scare-off anyone else thinking about doing similar, but Assange will somehow walk away and probably write a book about it all.

                              I am, however, unable to see clearly why this particular narrative was the one that was chosen. Perhaps hostilities with Pakistan are on the horizon? Motive escapes me, however.

                              So what is Assange, then?

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