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  • USA following Japan ???

    I recently posted this in "Select" Janzen commentaries. I thought others may also like to see the coincidence or comment on this.

    Lorimer Wilson Posted this in Sep 1st, 2009 last year and I see a lot of pure coincidence between Nikkei and S&P and wondering about the how their respective peak and trough coincided. So far it has followed this script. If so we should start eeing the fall from Dec 2010 for S&P*DXY.



    Originally posted by Lorimer Wilson
    The chart below shows the Nikkei in U.S. dollars compared to the S&P 500. The S&P 500 in DXY terms has been rebased to the same peak as in Japan, except 117 months (9.75 years) later. If this pattern repeats, there is potential for 40% upside over the next 3-4 months.

    Assuming a relationship similar to what Japan went through, the S&P 500 in DXY terms could well rise another 40% pretty much from now until mid-December 2010. Importantly, this is in DXY terms, so if the U.S. dollar were to rally 20% and the S&P 500 17% (as it’s multiplied), that would do it. If the market were to only rally to the lower trend line in the... chart, then the total upside would be 33%, split between the U.S. dollar and the equity market.



    FYI : Just my opinion
    I am going to go against the common theme here on pure hunch and do a "lukester".
    I think the S&P bounce is not over. it can go up further till Nov 2010 mid election.

    There is a good chance I am wrong compared to EJ's research but I cannot see FED doing reverse repo's or draining money from the system.


    Originally Posted by zoog
    That may turn out to be the "Second Bounce" rather than a continuation of the first one.


    Hmm... slightly different since this is in terms of DXY and not CPI(Inflation).
    So in DXY terms, the bounce had been more than nominal.(again I should not use nominal or real when
    using DXY because it is just a measure of how USD is falling relative to EUR,JPY...)

    So in DXY terms, he is saying we will see jump in DXY * SPX, which can rise upto 70% of last peak in Sep 8th, 2000(approx ~ 170605)
    So if DXY goes to 100 then, SPX can go to 1200 around Dec 2010.

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    Re: USA following Japan ???

    For the original comparison between U.S. stocks and the Nikkei in 2007, see: Debt Deflation Bear Market Update Part I: 2009 Windup. It was the basis of our call to get out of stocks in Dec. 2007 and predict a 40% decline in 2008. Others copied the idea later using the S&P500 but it was too late, the crash had already occurred. Now the process diverges for reasons of difference between the U.S and Japanese political economy and the comparison is less relevant.
    Ed.

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      Re: USA following Japan ???

      Originally posted by FRED View Post
      Now the process diverges for reasons of difference between the U.S and Japanese political economy and the comparison is less relevant.
      How much less relevant?

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        Re: USA following Japan ???

        Originally posted by jneal3 View Post
        How much less relevant?
        Nearly irrelevant. See: The Next Crash - Part I: How the First Bounce of the Debt Deflation Bear Market Ends
        Ed.

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          Re: USA following Japan ???

          Thanks, but here's where I get confused reading 'The Next Crash';

          [quote]
          Today’s near zero short-term rate policy remains in place because the economy is so fully loaned up that it cannot operate if interest expenses rise. The demand on cash flow to pay interest will choke off the recovery. We are, like the Japanese, stuck.
          [\quote]

          I know, I know; shut-up and pay for select premium. I'm trying to keep my wife from buying her 87th pair of black shoes, so it's tough to justify something that to her is just another type of indulgence...

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            Re: USA following Japan ???

            Originally posted by jneal3
            I'm trying to keep my wife from buying her 87th pair of black shoes
            That's easy -- tell her how nice she looks in brown shoes
            Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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              Re: USA following Japan ???

              Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
              That's easy -- tell her how nice she looks in brown shoes
              An Irish man telling an Italian woman anything about shoes is a non-starter ;)

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                Re: USA following Japan ???

                [QUOTE=jneal3;165597]Thanks, but here's where I get confused reading 'The Next Crash';

                Today’s near zero short-term rate policy remains in place because the economy is so fully loaned up that it cannot operate if interest expenses rise. The demand on cash flow to pay interest will choke off the recovery. We are, like the Japanese, stuck.
                [\quote]

                I know, I know; shut-up and pay for select premium. I'm trying to keep my wife from buying her 87th pair of black shoes, so it's tough to justify something that to her is just another type of indulgence...



                decisions... decisions...

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