Commentator's Disease

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Re: Commentator's Disease

I would be a lot more shocked if a professional climate scientist with a Ph.D. were to misrepresent that graph in the same way. But I've seen so much dumbed-down science out there that this particular sin against rigor isn't a smoking gun for me. And even though I suspect there is an element of propaganda here, the intent behind it -- and the collusion of the scientists -- isn't at all clear to me from what I've seen thus far. Could be opportunistic; could be well-meaning; could just be sloppy popularization of science. Not necessary a grand conspiracy.

I don't believe there is a 'S.P.E.C.T.R.E.' type conspiracy, but at the same time it is quite clear that there are a number of 'leading lights' in the AGW-CO2-Catastrophe cheerleading section whom are not acting as scientists.

And it is equally damning if the true uncertainty of the situation is being allowed to be misrepresented such that said scientists' social beliefs can be furthered.

As I've repeatedly put forth in the 'Climate Change' section - the substance of AGW-CO2-Catastrophe theory is a series of propositions which start from the unquestionable and end in the unconscionable. Yet the 'science is settled'.

In fact the Debt Crisis we are in right now is another perfect example of ideology triumphing reality: it is extremely unlikely that all of the mortgage brokers, real estate brokers, banksters, credit ratings agencies, Fed, politicians, et al were all grouped together in one vast conspiracy to screw the savers.

But then again, the confluence of behavior due to a variety of motivations (greed, personal power, fame, etc etc) has led to an effect that has been identical to a conspiracy to destroy the economic well being of present society.

[Fiat Currency]

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I'm running IE8. I will search the forums for that discussion, and debug from there. Thanks.

Ash,

Unfortunately - I found this one earlier with TPC. Just curious - have you been using IE8 since the iTulip vBulletin upgrade ... or did you recently upgrade to IE8?

For me - no resolution yet ... still using Safari on Windows 7 just to access iTulip ... mixing Apples and Oranges

[ASH]

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Ash,

Unfortunately - I found this one earlier with TPC. Just curious - have you been using IE8 since the iTulip vBulletin upgrade ... or did you recently upgrade to IE8?

For me - no resolution yet ... still using Safari on Windows 7 just to access iTulip ... mixing Apples and Oranges

It has been broken since the vBulletin upgrade. I am in the "screw it -- I'll just install Chrome, eventually" camp.

[jtabeb]

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That's the most difficult part in any analysis, determining the motivation of the subject of interest. You can observe behaviors, but there are always at least two (and usually, quite a few more) POSSIBLE motives that explain the observed behavior. This TRICK lies in identifying the most likely (not necessary plausible) motive(s) and trying to develop a range of tactics capable of countering the intent that these motives represent. (Getting the intent RIGHT, is the hard part).

[Diarmuid]

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Questions surronding the motivations, whos and whys of CAGW ain't exactly new fyi

Academic critical readings of the emergence of the IPCC have been offered as early as the mid 90s. By way of example Boehmer-Christiansen argued that establishing the IPCC as a ‘single established source’ of information about climate change suited a convergence of scientific, political and some business interests. She pointed to dangers for scientific practice and scientific institutions from scientists being used to feed this new politically charged activity. I file that one under who could have known also.

Boehmer-Christiansen,S. (1994) A scientific agenda for climate policy? Nature 372,
Boehmer-Christiansen,S. (1994) Global climate protection policy: the limits of scientific advice - Part I Global Environmental Change 4
Boehmer-Christiansen,S. (1994) Global climate protection policy: the limits of scientific advice - Part 2 Global Environmental Change 4