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    remains perilous...enter at your own risk... not for the faint of heart

    Vulture investors buy up distressed mortgages

    Carolyn Said, Chronicle Staff Writer
    Monday, June 7, 2010

    Want a read on the housing market's future?

    Ask a vulture investor.

    So-called vultures - also known as distressed-asset investors - make money by buying distressed assets, such as soured mortgage loans, and predicting which way the wind will blow to decide when to liquidate.

    That means Jon Daurio's economic calculations provide as good a guide as any.
    As CEO of Kondaur Capital Corp., which buys thousands of distressed mortgages at a discount and rehabilitates them for resale, Daurio tries to flip those mortgages as quickly as possible.

    He has no desire to buy and hold, because he thinks homes are worth less and less as time goes by.

    "I think housing prices nationally will drop 10 to 20 percent over the next three years," he said. "We aim to be in and out of the loan in six months."

    Since its 2007 founding, Kondaur has grown to have $1 billion in capital, nearly 500 asset managers and a portfolio of about 4,000 loans at any given time. Daurio said it is profitable, but declined to give specifics.

    "We are the nation's largest and most frequent buyer of nonperforming loans secured by one- to four-family residences," he said.

    The Orange County company exemplifies an emerging class of investors seeking to make a profit from the real estate meltdown, from mom-and-pop speculators snapping up individual foreclosed homes for cash, to mid-size syndicates buying dozens of foreclosed homes to rent out until the market turns, to giant concerns like Kondaur.

    Kondaur's business model provides a right-now snapshot of some pertinent real estate fundamentals.

    What it buys

    Daurio refers to Kondaur's acquisition targets as "scratch-and-dent mortgages."
    That means home loans that are delinquent, usually by six months or more.
    It buys in bulk, often several hundred loans at a time. The sellers are banks, other distressed-asset investors and Wall Street firms that prefer to quickly unload the troubled loans rather than having to foreclose or modify them. "Banks are hideously understaffed" to manage the loans themselves, Daurio said.

    In recent months, Daurio has seen an increase in the number of distressed loans for sale.

    "Banks are profitable again, so they can afford to take the losses to get these scratch-and-dent losses off their books," he said. "Banks now are being truthful about the value of these loans because they can afford to take the hits."

    About $10 billion worth of distressed mortgages hit the market in the first quarter, he said, more than he'd seen at any one time during the previous couple of years.
    He pays about 70 percent of the value of the underlying home. For instance, he'd pay $210,000 to buy a $400,000 mortgage on a home now worth $300,000.
    Obviously, that means the seller is taking a huge loss. Figuring out the homes' values involves a proprietary formula, and takes into account demographic and sociologic data, as well as price opinions from local real estate brokers.

    About a quarter of the loans were previously modified by banks to make them more affordable, but the homeowners couldn't make the revised payments and redefaulted.

    The greatest share of its mortgages are in Florida and California, followed by the Rust Belt states of Michigan, Ohio, Illinois and Indiana.

    How it 'fixes' them

    About 80 percent of the time Kondaur takes back title to houses, usually by paying the delinquent homeowners to sign them over as a deed in lieu of foreclosure, but also by foreclosing itself if that is more expedient.

    "If I'm right that prices will keep dropping, getting that property today (as opposed to down the road) is worth a great deal," he said.

    Its asset managers then find local contractors to rehab the houses and local real estate agents to sell them. It puts the houses in turn-key condition - ready to move in - and tries to have them sold within 30 days of hitting the market.

    About 10 percent of the time, it will sell individual loans "as is." The remaining 10 percent of the time it will modify payments to keep the current homeowner in place. He's not enthusiastic about that approach.

    "Our experience is that modified loans are worth considerably less than what would be left if the house were foreclosed," he said.

    He's clear that he's not running a charity. Told of a Clovis (Fresno County) couple whose home was foreclosed upon by Kondaur last month, he said: "They should have bought a house they could afford."

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&type=business

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    Re: Housing Investment Snapshot

    Originally posted by don View Post
    Figuring out the homes' values involves a proprietary formula, and takes into account demographic and sociologic data, as well as price opinions from local real estate brokers.
    Funny how the government says that house prices can not be determined by demographic data. In fact if you are a certified appraiser you can not take into account the persons demographic data, whether it be sex, race, nationality, creed, etc. This guy will be investigated in due time by the PC police.

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      Originally posted by chr5648 View Post
      Funny how the government says that house prices can not be determined by demographic data. In fact if you are a certified appraiser you can not take into account the persons demographic data, whether it be sex, race, nationality, creed, etc. This guy will be investigated in due time by the PC police.
      Perhaps the value was not considering demographics of the most recent occupant of the residence, but was considering demographics of the neighborhood. Also, I sure hope there is no law against a buyer considering any demographics they want to consider. If I choose to only purchase homes from blue-eyed Japanese owners, that's my choice.
      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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        Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
        Perhaps the value was not considering demographics of the most recent occupant of the residence, but was considering demographics of the neighborhood. Also, I sure hope there is no law against a buyer considering any demographics they want to consider. If I choose to only purchase homes from blue-eyed Japanese owners, that's my choice.
        No laws like that against consumers. I am just pointing out what the government says. I took a few RE appraisal classes during the boom, and the instructor constantly stated its against the law to take demographics into property prices.

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          Originally posted by chr5648 View Post
          ... and the instructor constantly stated its against the law to take demographics into property prices.
          Against the law for an appraisal to take the demographics of the residents into consideration, yes. But surely, at least by way of comps, the demographics of the neighborhood will influence the result.
          Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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            Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
            Against the law for an appraisal to take the demographics of the residents into consideration, yes. But surely, at least by way of comps, the demographics of the neighborhood will influence the result.
            Of course this is but common sense.

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              Re: Housing Investment Snapshot

              Originally posted by chr5648 View Post
              Of course this is but common sense.
              You raised an issue about the use of demographics in the formula, noticing it was illegal for appraisers to consider demographic information of the resident.

              I replied, thinking that perhaps the demographic information considered was for the neighborhood, at least indirectly. The article seems ambiguous to me on this point.

              You seem to agree with me that such an indirect use of neighborhood demographics would be not just OK, but rather unavoidable.

              So ... back to my earlier point ... could it be that the article is referring this benign use of demographics when referring to that proprietary formula?
              Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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