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  • #46
    Re: Update on BP's top kill efforts, now largest spill in US History

    BP Readies New Approach to Plug Leak as ‘Top Kill’ Fails

    By CLIFFORD KRAUSS and LESLIE KAUFMAN

    HOUSTON — BP said Saturday that its latest attempt to stop the gushing oil well in the Gulf of Mexico was unsuccessful, and the effort, known as a “top kill,” was being scrapped in favor of yet another maneuver to stem the flow spreading into the waters.

    The announcement marked the latest setback in the attempt to plug the spill that is polluting gulf waters at an estimated rate of 12,000 to 19,000 barrels a day.

    Doug Suttles, BP’s chief operating officer, said the next step is called a “lower marine riser package cap” and involves sawing off the riser and placing a device atop it to capture the escaping oil. Equipment has already been deployed on land and on the sea bed, he said.

    “We have made the decision to move on to the next option," Mr. Suttles said. “Repeated pumping, we don’t believe, will likely achieve success.”

    The failure of the top kill procedure, which was thought to be the company’s best option for stopping the leak, was announced following a third attempt Friday night at what is termed the “junk shot,” a procedure that involves pumping odds and ends like plastic cubes, knotted rope, and golf balls into the blowout preventer, the five-story safety device atop the well.

    Earlier in the day on Saturday, Mr. Suttles had said it was too soon to tell whether the top kill procedure was working, but had appeared doubtful that it was going to be the answer.

    “I don’t think the amount of oil coming out has changed,” he said. If this latest attempt is unsuccessful, a relief well is the option experts say is most reliably going to stop the current catastrophe. But could take until August to drill a relief well.

    “People want to know which technique is going to work, and I don’t know. It hasn’t been done at these depths and that’s why we’ve had multiple options working parallel.”

    Mr. Suttles also used the press conference Saturday afternoon to defend BP’s clean-up efforts, which have come under fierce criticism from local politicians for being too little too late.

    “We have been ramping up the activity every single day,” he said referring to the workers that are being brought in to mop up the rust-colored goo that is washing ashore along the coast here. “We and the Coast Guard are bringing in additional resources,” he said.

    BP estimates it has nearly 2,000 workers already along the coast according to David Nicholas, BP spokesman. Mr. Suttles said the company was somewhat hampered in its efforts to be aggressive by the delicate nature of the ecosystem. “We don’t want to create more harm in doing the cleanup than the oil creates on its own,” he said.

    Nevertheless, he added, BP was not only bringing in more people it was working on ways to get them to more inaccessible areas of the coast. He said they were going to start using tent cities and “flo-tels,” or floating hotels, to house workers closer to hard to reach marsh lands being covered with oil.


    Documents Show Earlier Worries About Safety of Rig

    By IAN URBINA

    WASHINGTON — Internal documents from BP show that there were serious problems and safety concerns with the Deepwater Horizon rig far earlier than those the company described to Congress last week.

    The problems involved the well casing and the blowout preventer, which are considered critical pieces in the chain of events that led to the disaster on the rig.

    The documents show that in March, after several weeks of problems on the rig, BP was struggling with a loss of “well control.” And as far back as 11 months ago, it was concerned about the well casing and the blowout preventer.

    On June 22, for example, BP engineers expressed concerns that the metal casing the company wanted to use might collapse under high pressure.

    “This would certainly be a worst-case scenario,” Mark E. Hafle, a senior drilling engineer at BP, warned in an internal report. “However, I have seen it happen so know it can occur.”

    The company went ahead with the casing, but only after getting special permission from BP colleagues because it violated the company’s safety policies and design standards. The internal reports do not explain why the company allowed for an exception. BP documents released last week to The Times revealed that company officials knew the casing was the riskier of two options.

    Though his report indicates that the company was aware of certain risks and that it made the exception, Mr. Hafle, testifying before a panel on Friday in Louisiana about the cause of the rig disaster, rejected the notion that the company had taken risks.

    “Nobody believed there was going to be a safety issue,” Mr. Hafle told a six-member panel of Coast Guard and Minerals Management Service officials.

    “All the risks had been addressed, all the concerns had been addressed, and we had a model that suggested if executed properly we would have a successful job,” he said.

    Mr. Hafle, asked for comment by a reporter after his testimony Friday about the internal report, declined to answer questions.

    BP’s concerns about the casing did not go away after Mr. Hafle’s 2009 report.
    In April of this year, BP engineers concluded that the casing was “unlikely to be a successful cement job,” according to a document, referring to how the casing would be sealed to prevent gases from escaping up the well.

    The document also says that the plan for casing the well is “unable to fulfill M.M.S. regulations,” referring to the Minerals Management Service.

    A second version of the same document says “It is possible to obtain a successful cement job” and “It is possible to fulfill M.M.S. regulations.”

    Andrew Gowers, a BP spokesman, said the second document was produced after further testing had been done.

    On Tuesday Congress released a memorandum with preliminary findings from BP’s internal investigation, which indicated that there were warning signs immediately before the explosion on April 20, including equipment readings suggesting that gas was bubbling into the well, a potential sign of an impending blowout.

    A parade of witnesses at hearings last week told about bad decisions and cut corners in the days and hours before the explosion of the rig, but BP’s internal documents provide a clearer picture of when company and federal officials saw problems emerging.

    In addition to focusing on the casing, investigators are also focusing on the blowout preventer, a fail-safe device that was supposed to slice through a drill pipe in a last-ditch effort to close off the well when the disaster struck. The blowout preventer did not work, which is one of the reasons oil has continued to spill into the gulf, though the reason it failed remains unclear.

    Federal drilling records and well reports obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and BP’s internal documents, including more than 50,000 pages of company e-mail messages, inspection reports, engineering studies and other company records obtained by The Times from Congressional investigators, shed new light on the extent and timing of problems with the blowout preventer and the casing long before the explosion.

    Kendra Barkoff, a spokeswoman for the Interior Department, declined to answer questions about the casings, the blowout preventer and regulators’ oversight of the rig because those matters are part of a continuing investigation.

    The documents show that in March, after problems on the rig that included drilling mud falling into the formation, sudden gas releases known as “kicks” and a pipe falling into the well, BP officials informed federal regulators that they were struggling with a loss of “well control.”

    On at least three occasions, BP records indicate, the blowout preventer was leaking fluid, which the manufacturer of the device has said limits its ability to operate properly.

    “The most important thing at a time like this is to stop everything and get the operation under control,” said Greg McCormack, director of the Petroleum Extension Service at the University of Texas, Austin, offering his assessment about the documents.

    He added that he was surprised that regulators and company officials did not commence a review of whether drilling should continue after the well was brought under control.

    After informing regulators of their struggles, company officials asked for permission to delay their federally mandated test of the blowout preventer, which is supposed to occur every two weeks, until the problems were resolved, BP documents say.

    At first, the minerals agency declined.

    “Sorry, we cannot grant a departure on the B.O.P. test further than when you get the well under control,” wrote Frank Patton, a minerals agency official. But BP officials pressed harder, citing “major concerns” about doing the test the next day. And by 10:58 p.m., David Trocquet, another M.M.S. official, acquiesced.

    “After further consideration,” Mr. Trocquet wrote, “an extension is approved to delay the B.O.P. test until the lower cement plug is set.”

    When the blowout preventer was eventually tested again, it was tested at a lower pressure — 6,500 pounds per square inch — than the 10,000-pounds-per-square-inch tests used on the device before the delay. It tested at this lower pressure until the explosion.

    A review of Minerals Management Services data of all B.O.P. tests done in deepwater in the Gulf of Mexico for five years shows B.O.P. tests rarely dropped so sharply, and, in general, either continued at the same threshold or were done at increasing levels.

    The manufacturer of the blowout preventer, Cameron, declined to say what the appropriate testing pressure was for the device.

    In an e-mail message, Mr. Gowers of BP wrote that until their investigation was complete, it was premature to answer questions about the casings or the blowout preventer.

    Even though the documents asking regulators about testing the blowout preventer are from BP, Mr. Gowers said that any questions regarding the device should be directed to Transocean, which owns the rig and, he said, was responsible for maintenance and testing of the device. Transocean officials declined to comment.

    Bob Sherrill, an expert on blowout preventers and the owner of Blackwater Subsea, an engineering consulting firm, said the conditions on the rig in February and March and the language used by the operator referring to a loss of well control “sounds like they were facing a blowout scenario.”

    Mr. Sherrill said federal regulators made the right call in delaying the blowout test, because doing a test before the well is stable risks gas kicks. But once the well was stable, he added, it would have made sense for regulators to investigate the problems further.

    In April, the month the rig exploded, workers encountered obstructions in the well. Most of the problems were conveyed to federal regulators, according to federal records. Many of the incidents required that BP get a permit for a new tactic for dealing with the problem.

    One of the final indications of such problems was an April 15 request for a permit to revise its plan to deal with a blockage, according to federal documents obtained from Congress by the Center for Biological Diversity, an environmental advocacy group.

    In the documents, company officials apologized to federal regulators for not having mentioned the type of casing they were using earlier, adding that they had “inadvertently” failed to include it. In the permit request, they did not disclose BP’s own internal concerns about the design of the casing.

    Less than 10 minutes after the request was submitted, federal regulators approved the permit.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/us/30rig.html?hp

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    • #47
      Re: Update on BP's top kill efforts, now largest spill in US History

      With 606 oilfields, the Niger delta supplies 40% of all the crude the United States imports and is the world capital of oil pollution. Life expectancy in its rural communities, half of which have no access to clean water, has fallen to little more than 40 years over the past two generations. Locals blame the oil that pollutes their land and can scarcely believe the contrast with the steps taken by BP and the US government to try to stop the Gulf oil leak and to protect the Louisiana shoreline from pollution.

      "If this Gulf accident had happened in Nigeria, neither the government nor the company would have paid much attention," said the writer Ben Ikari, a member of the Ogoni people. "This kind of spill happens all the time in the delta."

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...er-delta-shell

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      • #48
        Re: Update on BP's top kill efforts, now largest spill in US History

        Originally posted by KGW View Post
        It should, for the ocean is infinitely more valuable to life than oil and its products. But I'm not holding my breath. . .
        The oceans have survived much worse: underwater volcanoes, for example, which spew infinitely more toxic crap than a piddly oil well. Even above-ground volcanoes spew toxic gases and dust in volumes of cubic kilometers, much of which eventually ends up in the ocean.

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        • #49
          Re: Update on BP's top kill efforts, now largest spill in US History

          GRG55 said,
          Try explaining that to the heavily subsidized farmer in land-locked Nebraska who wants to know why he should pay more for his farm implement diesel fuel, more for his natural gas sourced ammonia fertilsers, more for his petroleum chemical based herbicides and pesticides, and more to the energy consuming handlers and transporters that he uses to get his crop to market.


          This is a high-quality, succinct, spot-on analysis.

          I grew up in Nebraska and I've seen first-hand how many of my relatives who are farmers have individually "earned" many hundreds of thousands of dollars in farm subsidies over the years, primarily through the practice of removing quality farmland from production.

          These are the Ag-Extension employees' farm subsidy selling points:

          Don't waste time, money, and effort in topsoil preparation.

          Don't waste time, money, and effort in planting.

          Don't waste time, money, and effort in irrigating.

          Don't waste time, money, and effort in fertilizing.

          Don't waste time, money, and effort in harvesting.

          Don't waste money in harvested crop storage.

          Don't waste money in harvested crop shipment payments.

          Just sign up.

          Promise to let the ground sit idle.

          Receive a substantial check from Uncle Sam.

          Deposit check in local bank account.

          It's a great program if you're a farmer, but it's been bought and paid for by enlightened voters through Political Action Committee contributions to highly-paid lobbyists who have personal access to malleable politicians.

          In a previous life I was a licensed electrician working primarily in the oil-fields for our family-owned electrical contracting business. My dad still owns and operates this business. I still have many friends and family members who work in agriculture- and oil-related enterprises in Nebraska, and I hope both industries succeed in the coming years.

          I think that they will continue to prosper, and that there will also be opportunities for investors in both fields as our republic continues to stagger toward nearly-complete currency devaluation by kicking the can further down the road.

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          • #50
            Re: Update on BP's top kill efforts, now largest spill in US History
            Top kill fails

            BP has given up on efforts to rein in the blown out Macondo well by pumping mud and debris into the well bore.

            Noah Brenner, Anthony Guegel, Jonathan Davis & Anthea Pitt 28 May 2010 00:25 GMT

            ...Flow from the Macondo well is not travelling up the main well bore, BP operations boss Doug Suttles said Tuesday, a revelation that supports theories that a cement failure played a part in the blowout.

            “We actually believe the flow path is between two strings of the casing and not up the main wellbore,” Suttles said.

            Suttles said BP could not be certain of the flow path but diagnostic tests on the well seem to indicate the flow is not coming up main bore...


            This is a potentially serious problem. If the flow is not contained within the cased wellbore and has opened a fracture all the way to the seafloor surface behind the pipe [as Matt Simmons is now alleging] then this thing moves into a whole different catagory of disaster because there is no assurance the flow can be killed.

            Also the reports so far that the positive and negative pressure tests on the liner passed now look like they are being revised. Seems the negative pressure test didn't come off "clean". So in classic industrial accident fashion one mistake is followed by another, and then another, and so forth...until the compound effect produces the inevitable catastrophic result.
            ...BP told congressional investigators that pressure tests on a drill pipe hours before the deadly explosion that caused the Gulf of Mexico oil leak flagged up a "fundamental mistake", a memo released by congressmen Henry Waxman and Bart Stupak said...

            ...The error the BP official referred to concerned the results of a negative pressure test.
            The BP investigator said that two hours before the explosion, as preparations were being made on the Transocean semi-submersible Deepwater Horizon to start negative pressure testing of the wellbore, the system gained 15 barrels of liquid rather than the five that were expected, indicating there may have been influx from the well...

            ...The investigator said the pressure test was then moved to the kill line, where a volume of fluid came out when the line was opened. It was then closed.


            At this time, pressure began to build in the system to 1400 pounds per square inch. The line was opened and pressure on the kill line was bled to 0 psi, while pressure on the drill pipe remained at 1400 psi.

            The BP investigator said this indicated a "fundamental mistake" may have been made here as this was an "indicator of a very large abnormality".

            However, once the pressure was bled off, work continued as normal - the line was monitored and by 7.55pm the rig team were apparently satisfied the test had been successful and started displacing the remaining downhole fluids with seawater...


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            • #51
              Re: Update on BP's top kill efforts, now largest spill in US History

              Originally posted by Rajiv View Post
              Is there a link to that?
              Best selling Book in the world, final chapter.

              Next comes plagues, famine, pestilence, and war between the remnants of Old Europe (What Hitler tried to resurrect) and China / Russia.

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              • #52
                As expected, BP abandons Top Kill approach

                http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ws_us_business

                I'd still like to see a revised "exhaust hood" type collection box with de-icing provisions.

                The pressure in the pipe is too high to seal it off, in my opinion. Need to let the fluid out to decompress, then collect it. Most engine mufflers work on this principle, using "expansion chambers".

                Your thoughts?

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                • #53
                  Re: Update on BP's top kill efforts, now largest spill in US History

                  I often believe the simplest solutions are best. Here's mine, and I'd love to hear other iTuliper's opinions of it.

                  You've got tons of pressue pushing oil out various holes pipes a mile down in the ocean. It seems like most of the ideas tried thus far are heroic, testosterone-laced attempts with 100 ton domes or "Top Kill" or even dynamite. How about "going with the flow" here a bit? Let it do what it does naturally -- flow. Then simply Guide the flow, not with steel pipes (we don't need to pump anything here, and the relative pressure once the oil is out of the pipe (in the open ocean) is relatively low.

                  So my idea would be to put a skirt around the flow. A big canvas (I use the term loosely -- it's probably Kevlar or Mylar or similar) skirt which might be 20' in diameter and a mile long. Hoop it over the pipe (even loosely, or anchor to the bottom), and let the flow go. It's going to go up. Let it go up, or even coax it with some hot water jets pointed upwards near the bottom to keep the flow one direction and help prevent Hydrates from forming). It would simply not be that expensive to create a mile long canvas skiirt -- 20' is just a guess at diameter, perhaps its 10' or 100' or bigger. Engineers can make the calculation. Perhaps it's cone shaped getting larger near the top. The point is to not try to stop the high pressure, but rather guide it to where you want it -- a pool near the surface where it can be collected and pumped into waiting ships.

                  This may only be a temporary solution until either a permanent solution is developed or hurricanes hit, which ever comes first, but it would seem simple, inexpensive, and extremely low risk (relative to Top Kill or building a nuclear bomb for example -- not a lot can go wrong with a skirt ).

                  Ok help me iTulipers, what's wrong with this?

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                  • #54
                    Re: Update on BP's top kill efforts, now largest spill in US History

                    Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                    That means stripping out all the emotion and politicization around this tragedy and trying to extract the facts.
                    Oh my facts, deadly to cognitive illusions.

                    Great commentary, especially since you know what the heck your talking about.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Update on BP's top kill efforts, now largest spill in US History

                      There's what looks to me to be another good explanation of the efforts (top kill, bottom kill, junk shot, ...) to contain this well at: A Petroleum Engineer's Explanation. The rest of the site (abovetopsecret) containing this post is a little far friggin out for iTulip standards, but this one post seems good to me.
                      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Update on BP's top kill efforts, now largest spill in US History

                        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                        This is a potentially serious problem. If the flow is not contained within the cased wellbore and has opened a fracture all the way to the seafloor surface behind the pipe [as Matt Simmons is now alleging] then this thing moves into a whole different catagory of disaster because there is no assurance the flow can be killed...
                        In layman's terms, does the bold part mean that, instead of oil leaking from the pipe, it has actually opened a fissure in the seafloor from which the oil can flow?

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                        • #57
                          Re: As expected, BP abandons Top Kill approach

                          Try www.theoildrum.com

                          There they are looking at this from all angles

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                          • #58
                            Re: Update on BP's top kill efforts, now largest spill in US History

                            Originally posted by tmicou View Post
                            I often believe the simplest solutions are best. Here's mine, and I'd love to hear other iTuliper's opinions of it.

                            You've got tons of pressue pushing oil out various holes pipes a mile down in the ocean. It seems like most of the ideas tried thus far are heroic, testosterone-laced attempts with 100 ton domes or "Top Kill" or even dynamite. How about "going with the flow" here a bit? Let it do what it does naturally -- flow. Then simply Guide the flow, not with steel pipes (we don't need to pump anything here, and the relative pressure once the oil is out of the pipe (in the open ocean) is relatively low.

                            So my idea would be to put a skirt around the flow. A big canvas (I use the term loosely -- it's probably Kevlar or Mylar or similar) skirt which might be 20' in diameter and a mile long. Hoop it over the pipe (even loosely, or anchor to the bottom), and let the flow go. It's going to go up. Let it go up, or even coax it with some hot water jets pointed upwards near the bottom to keep the flow one direction and help prevent Hydrates from forming). It would simply not be that expensive to create a mile long canvas skiirt -- 20' is just a guess at diameter, perhaps its 10' or 100' or bigger. Engineers can make the calculation. Perhaps it's cone shaped getting larger near the top. The point is to not try to stop the high pressure, but rather guide it to where you want it -- a pool near the surface where it can be collected and pumped into waiting ships.

                            This may only be a temporary solution until either a permanent solution is developed or hurricanes hit, which ever comes first, but it would seem simple, inexpensive, and extremely low risk (relative to Top Kill or building a nuclear bomb for example -- not a lot can go wrong with a skirt ).

                            Ok help me iTulipers, what's wrong with this?
                            tmicou, I am not an engineer, but I think there would be significant challenges with your proposal. For example:

                            a) How do you seal the canvas to the pipe without it leaking?

                            b) How can this canvas "conduct" the oil given the high pressure at those depth? I mean wouldn't the canvas be flat like a pancake once you get 1 mile down below?


                            Not an easy mess down there...

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                            • #59
                              Re: Update on BP's top kill efforts, now largest spill in US History

                              Originally posted by LargoWinch View Post
                              tmicou, I am not an engineer, but I think there would be significant challenges with your proposal. For example:

                              a) How do you seal the canvas to the pipe without it leaking?

                              b) How can this canvas "conduct" the oil given the high pressure at those depth? I mean wouldn't the canvas be flat like a pancake once you get 1 mile down below?


                              Not an easy mess down there...
                              a) I don't believe it needs to be (or should be) "Sealed". The flow should keep the oil in the chute. The Venturi principles should apply to any fluid at any pressure. And additional water jets pointing up would help keep the flow upwards. If a tiny bit of oil leaks out the bottom, deal with that later.
                              b) The pressure on inside and outside of canvas skirt is the same, albeit very high at depth. A closed system such as a ballon flattens like a pancake. An open system maintains the same pressure on both the inside and outside at any given depth, with low pressure on both sides near the top, high pressure near the bottom. The pressure gradient is up and down, but that's ok because flow is allowed in the vertical direction. We're talking about an open system here.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Update on BP's top kill efforts, now largest spill in US History

                                Originally posted by LargoWinch View Post
                                tmicou, I am not an engineer, but I think there would be significant challenges with your proposal. For example:

                                a) How do you seal the canvas to the pipe without it leaking?

                                b) How can this canvas "conduct" the oil given the high pressure at those depth? I mean wouldn't the canvas be flat like a pancake once you get 1 mile down below?


                                Not an easy mess down there...
                                The canvas shouldn't collapse due to pressure since the pressure would be equal on all sides, if it's permeable to water. But if it's permeable to water, it probably would be permeable to oil, then there would be problems of the expansion of the NG as it rises up the column, and there are numerous ocean currents at various levels in a mile deep column of the ocean, so maintaining the rigidity of such a large flexible structure would seem to be difficult. So what about a rigid structure encasing the riser pipe? I guess that sounds a lot like their next try.

                                I would wonder, if you can pump golf balls, mud, and cement under pressure, could you pump enough oxygenated air into a rigid containment vessel to burn a large % of the oil/gas near the ocean floor?

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