Ocean Floor Live Feed - Exceptional Thread.

[Rajiv]

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Would it be too much to ask the endangered pelicans to lick the oil off of their legs?

Would it be too much to ask the 6 billion humans on this planet to kill themselves and leave the rest of the denizens of this planet in peace?

That is what you are asking the rest of the denizens of this planet to do so that YOU can live in whatever way you deem to be a comfortable living.

But I forget, they the other denizens have no legal standing -- and God made the Earth and all things therein for the express purpose of serving mankind, and for mankind to do as it will to them!

[Rajiv]

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An article worth raeading - Gulf of Mexico: Oily Affairs

The Gulf of Mexico (GOM) is a Mediterranean-type sea, and the eleventh largest body of water in the world. It’s about as large as the area between New York City and Birmingham, Alabama. It would take you 14.3 hours to drive end to end, at 65 miles per hour, if it were a land body. The oil pumped out of the GOM (and captured) sucks out the gasoline to drive a car that distance in less than a tiny fraction of a second. In fact, you could drive to the equator on the amount of gas you’d get from the GOM in 3.9 seconds.

Birds, fish, turtles, and other marine mammals are referred to as “motile resources,” to those who study the area for the U.S. gov’t. The more we look into the deepest part of the GOM, the more fascination we have with what we find.



This octopus is equally interested in the equipment we use to study life down there. Expansive deepwater coral habitats have only recently been discovered and studied in the GOM.

It is also a focus of archeological research into Paleo-Indian remains.

We have divided the “deep water” areas of the GOM into 21 sections, and outlined, in the sections we know about, which areas have to be left alone, and which can be drilled. Oil and gas rigs are



huge floating platform structures on the water that form “the largest de facto artificial reef system in the world.” That’s because when oil companies are finished with these huge structures, they sink them. Drainage into the Gulf of Mexico is extensive, and includes 20 major river systems covering over 3.8 million square kilometers of the continental United States (Moody, 1967). Annual freshwater inflow to the Gulf is approximately 10.6×10¹¹ m³ per year (280 trillion gallons). 85% of this flow comes from the United States, with 64% originating from the Mississippi River alone. You can also call it the largest garbage dump in America. Even before the recent Deepwater crisis, agricultural waste is flowing in from the Mississippi River at such an alarming rate that it continues to create “dead zones.” “The knee bone’s connected to the thigh bone,” and all of that.

Water enters the Gulf through the Yucatan Strait, circulates as the Loop Current, and exits through the Florida Strait eventually forming the Gulf Stream. Portions of the Loop Current often break away forming eddies or ‘gyres’ which affect regional current patterns. Think of the GOM as a Jacuzzi, that has a deeper center. We tend to think about the deepest parts of the seas like a desert, but in fact, it has a broader array of fauna than the shallower parts. They’ve learned how to adjust to living without light. The deepest sections also collect carbon garbage that could well impact things like animal mating seasons that are controlled by seasonal carbon levels. In the old days, when ships were made of wood and sank, scavengers and wood borers made quick work out of eating them at very deep levels. Don’t ask me what the new “sunking ships” are made of because they aren’t “ships” at all, but oil and gas rig “platforms” and we’re sinking them on purpose when we’re finished with them. “Artificial reef systems,” indeed.

There are nearly 4000 active oil and gas platforms in the GOM.



The largest, Petronius, measures 64 meters (210 ft) by 43 meters (141 ft) or 29,626 sq. ft for each of its 2 decks, or approximately 24 multi-storied McMansions. For all that nature stuff, the GOM is really a natural gas and oil field disguised as an ocean.

While scientists tell us that oil “seeps” exist, and can actually be larger than any man-made disaster, it appears to happen slowly enough so that oil-eating fauna grow up around the cracks in the ocean floor and consume it. What remains of the seepage is initially the methane and hydrocarbons that float and evaporate into the air, and the remaining residual sinks to the ocean’s bottom.

Man-made spills take a long time to disappear. There are many theories why, but, for example, the Exxon Valdez Oil disaster is still hanging around 20 years later. One theory is that micro-organisms may need other nutrients to be able to consume the oil and may not be getting enough nitrogen, phosphorus or oxygen in order to do that. Or, perhaps, a layer or sort of “skin” may have developed around the oil patches, making them impenetrable by the micro-organisms. It might also be the cold climate. And the oil today “…is nearly as toxic as it was the first few weeks after the spill.”



When we really poison our ecosystem massively, we create “massive mortalities,” but there are also “sub-lethal effects” that are harder to blame on one toxic polluter. For the 75,000 dolphins that live in the GOM, we’re arguing about whether that oil dumping is killing them quickly or slowly, or if its the oil killing them at all. The six dead dolphins that showed up on the shore could be “unrelated” to the oil spill, because dead dolphin show up there this time of year.



Kill “Flipper” and you have a major media fiasco on top of a major media fiasco on your hands. People, unfortunately for BP, don’t usually get headaches this time of year, so they can blame the headaches on the oil smells.

And can we really believe that only now have scientists just thought to look under the water for signs of oil?

Framing this disaster as only impacting tourism and fisheries is as crazy as any of the following:

• To family who’s dog has died: “Sorry to hear about that, Jill, especially after you just wasted $25 buying that 30 lb bag of dog food.”
• To husband who’s wife just died: “Geepers, Frank, I guess if you want sex anytime soon, you’ll have to hit the bars like the rest of us.”
• To Tsunami survivors: “Look at it this way, Ploy, you won’t have to worry about washing your rugs now.”
• To tornado survivors: “Hey, it might be a blessing in disguise. What about that town that lost everything, and is now building “green?”

And we are so desperate for good news, that a story in the Wall Street Journal, reported by some “unidentified person” about the success of some “tube insertion” is being widely circulated. Even BP wouldn’t verified that one, given that top hats and shredded tennis balls didn’t work.
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[jimmygu3]

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Steve, you are, as always, the very voice of moderation and sensibility. I remember just 25 years ago how I was explaining to my friends that the US/USSR policy of M.A.D. was nothing to fret about. It turns out that nuclear radiation is rendered harmless through the natural half-life deterioration of radioactive material! But no amount of persuasion was enough to convince them that we ought to avoid nuclear war; to listen to them talk you'd have thought the world would end or something! I'm not sure if they were pacifist pussies, or liberal arts majors who just didn't understand natural phenomena - but what can you do? The goddamn liberal press slanted every story their way.

I don't know which is more hilarious- your post, or the fact that Steve didn't bat an eye and began running with your nuclear analogy, taking it to even more absurd conclusions than his original "oil is natural" argument.

I must admit that I too am snowed by the fasco-scientists and eco-felons. I am naive enough to believe that millions of barrels of oil spilled into the ocean is bad for the environment. I foolishly refuse to handle high level radioactive material. And I still insist that cyanide is a deadly poison even though anyone with a brain knows it is merely a natural compound found in apple seeds.

-Jimmy

[ricket]

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Thank you for your two-cents.

I think that the environmentalists have quite a bit of explaining here to do: Why did they kill the nuclear power industry and cause the decline of our standard of living in the Western World? Who gained by that?

In nineteen days or so, we now have 19,000 law-suits launched against BP. Aside from some pelicans with oily legs, why the law-suits, or are the environmentalists getting kick-backs from law firms for launching law-suits against big oil?

I just ask questions. I do quite a bit of what is called, "critical thinking", something that is not taught in the American K-12 public schools, and not even at American public universities such as UC Berkeley. I try to put all information together and try to make sense of it. Then I ask questions, hence: "critical thinking".

Nineteen thousand law-suits against BP in about 19 days: What do you make of that fact? Who gained?

Would it be too much to ask the endangered pelicans to lick the oil off of their legs? What makes Louisiana's island ecology "delicate"? What makes that ecology different from the ecology here on the West Coast where oil routinely washes up onto our beaches, at least in California?

Troll.

[jiimbergin]

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Troll.

Starving Steve is not a Troll, he is just Steve! He has posted far more posts than you and has been here longer than you, but he does have some very very strong opinions!

[DRumsfeld2000]

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Is this whole area now imploding? If it is.........................good luck East coast USA and BP!

http://monkeyfister.blogspot.com/201...own-below.html

[ThePythonicCow]

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I'm not a sufficient expert to know much of what I'm looking at, or if the alarmist remarks on your link to http://monkeyfister.blogspot.com/201...own-below.html are well founded or not. But to my naive understanding, it looks ugly.

[roxtar]

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Any way to tell if this is a loop? Only reason I ask is because I fail to see what BP would gain by making this video available to the whole world. Exposing themselves to the possibility that there would be people that are far more knowledgeable than I watching and waiting for any sign of further negligence on their part.

[strittmatter]

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Any way to tell if this is a loop? Only reason I ask is because I fail to see what BP would gain by making this video available to the whole world. Exposing themselves to the possibility that there would be people that are far more knowledgeable than I watching and waiting for any sign of further negligence on their part.

Psychological pacification - so long as we're kept in the "loop" on this, then it's not so much their problem, rather it's the / our problem?

Since (A) we can't see but the one video angle view and (B) it seems to be getting worse, there are evidently other issues going on here. My guess at this point, is that it may be a pointless effort to attempt to plug either the pipe string and/or the wellhead, which is getting more fractured and unstable by the day. As if trying to patch a rotten garden hose - no sooner than you get the bad spot taped off, it's going to immediately pop somewhere else.

[Spartacus]

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i'm sure he'll weigh your suggestions at considerable length,
reflect mindfully on his own behavior
and make modifications accordingly.

Until that happens, you know there are
1. an ignore feature
2. a complaints to FRED feature, which may yield a more permanent solution

Steve, don't take this the wrong way, but I think you might be insane. At the very least, you are probably the most dogmatic person I have yet encountered. You are twice as bad as any "eco-fraud" I have ever met, just on the opposite side.

Your M.O. is to take something that is true -- oil exists in oceans, radioactivity inversely correlates with half-life, cells can repair radiation damage -- and extrapolate to absolutely indefensible/batsh!t insane positions.

Think about it. Assess. Introspect. Improve.

Just my 2 cents.

[Starving Steve]

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i'm sure he'll weigh your suggestions at considerable length,
reflect mindfully on his own behavior
and make modifications accordingly.

Until that happens, you know there are
1. an ignore feature
2. a complaints to FRED feature, which may yield a more permanent solution

I was insane to respect and believe the Minnesota Environmental Protection Agency and the EPA in Washington when I saw them destroy the economy of North-east Minnesota by telling the public (in 1972) lies about taconite tailings being linked to stomach cancer. I watched the people of NE Minn. suffer because of the closure of the taconite shipping at Silver Bay, Minn. I was bullied-about by junk science and fear-mongering propoganda from the same eco-frauds that claim to-day that the Gulf of Mexico has "dead zones" because of oil. These are the same eco-frauds that claim that wind and solar power can replace conventional energy sources. These are the same eco-frauds that claim that the world is warming and polar bears are drowning.

I won't allow myself to be bullied-about by lies and group-think and propaganda any longer. I will speak-up and explain to the public what I know about climatology, the environment, health physics, city planning, and economic geography. Hopefully, more people will stand-up to the liars and propagandists in Greenpeace and the Sierra Club to-day.

Does critical thinking and questioning of authority indicate that I am insane? Does critical thinking and questioning indicate that someone should be silenced?

What makes crude oil toxic? What makes oil a pollutant in the marine environment? Please make your case. Why is this spill "a contastrophe" and "a disaster"--- to quote words printed in the media to-day? And why can't endangered white pelicans lick the oil off of their legs and clean themselves? What makes them "delicate"? What makes the marsh environment "delicate"?--- again, to quote words used in the media to-day at oil spill.com, also at marketwatch.com, and also in articles at bloomberg.com

[cjppjc]

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When will this well run dry? That may be the only hope. Where is GRG55?