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    May 15, 2010
    Scientists Find Giant Plumes of Oil Forming Under the Gulf

    By JUSTIN GILLIS

    Scientists are finding enormous oil plumes in the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico, including one as large as 10 miles long, 3 miles wide and 300 feet thick. The discovery is fresh evidence that the leak from the broken undersea well could be substantially worse than estimates that the government and BP have given.

    “There’s a shocking amount of oil in the deep water, relative to what you see in the surface water,” said Samantha Joye, a researcher at the University of Georgia who is involved in one of the first scientific missions to gather details about what is happening in the gulf. “There’s a tremendous amount of oil in multiple layers, three or four or five layers deep in the water column.”

    The plumes are depleting the oxygen dissolved in the gulf, worrying scientists, who fear that the oxygen level could eventually fall so low as to kill off much of the sea life near the plumes.

    Dr. Joye said the oxygen had already dropped 30 percent near some of the plumes in the month that the broken oil well had been flowing. “If you keep those kinds of rates up, you could draw the oxygen down to very low levels that are dangerous to animals in a couple of months,” she said Saturday. “That is alarming.”

    The plumes were discovered by scientists from several universities working aboard the research vessel Pelican, which sailed from Cocodrie, La., on May 3 and appears to be the first scientific expedition to gather extensive samples and information about the disaster in the gulf.
    Scientists studying video of the gushing oil well have tentatively calculated that it could be flowing at a rate of 25,000 to 80,000 barrels of oil a day. But the government, working from satellite images of the ocean surface, has calculated a flow rate of only 5,000 barrels a day.

    The undersea plumes may go a long way toward explaining the discrepancy, suggesting that much of the oil emerging from the well could be lingering far below the sea surface.

    The scientists involved in the Pelican mission, which is backed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the federal agency that monitors the health of the oceans, are not certain why that would be. They say they suspect the heavy use of chemical dispersants, which BP has injected directly into the stream of oil emerging from the well, may have broken the oil up into droplets too small to rise rapidly.
    BP said on Saturday at a briefing in Robert, La., that it had resumed undersea application of dispersants, after winning approval to do so the day before from the Environmental Protection Agency.

    “It appears that the application of the subsea dispersant is actually working,” Doug Suttles, BP’s chief operating officer for exploration and production, said Saturday after flying over the area above the oil well. “The oil in the immediate vicinity of the well and the ships and rigs working in the area is diminished from previous observations.”
    Many scientists had hoped the dispersants would cause oil droplets to spread so widely that they would be less of a problem in any one place. If it turns out that is not happening, the strategy of using the chemicals could come under greater scrutiny. Dispersants have never been used in an oil leak of this magnitude a mile under the ocean, and their effects at such depth are largely unknown.

    Much about the situation below the water remains unclear, and the scientists stressed that their results were preliminary. After the April 20 explosion of the Deepwater Horizon, they altered a previously scheduled research mission to focus on the effects of the leak.

    Interviewed on Saturday by satellite phone, one researcher aboard the Pelican, Vernon Asper of the University of Southern Mississippi, said the shallowest oil plume the group had detected was at about 2,300 feet, while the deepest was near the seafloor at about 4,200 feet.

    “We’re trying to map them, but it’s a tedious process,” Dr. Asper said. “Right now it looks like the oil is moving southwest, not all that rapidly.”

    He said the group had managed to take water samples from areas that had not yet been reached by oil, and would be able to compare those to later samples to judge the impact on the chemistry and biology of the ocean.

    While they have detected the plumes and their effects with several types of instruments, the researchers are still not sure about the exact consistency of the plumes. They are almost certainly not solid bubbles of oil, Dr. Joye said, but are likely to be a mix of oil and water that could resemble salad dressing.

    Dr. Joye is serving as a coordinator of the mission from her laboratory in Athens, Ga. Researchers from the University of Mississippi and the University of Southern Mississippi are aboard the boat taking samples and running instruments.

    Dr. Joye said the findings about declining oxygen levels were especially worrisome, since oxygen is so slow to move from the surface of the ocean to the bottom. She suspects that oil-eating bacteria are consuming the oxygen at a feverish clip as they work to break down the undersea plumes.

    While the oxygen depletion so far is not enough to kill off sea life, the possibility looms that oxygen levels could fall so low as to create large dead zones, especially at the seafloor. “That’s the big worry,” said Ray Highsmith, head of the Mississippi center that sponsored the mission, known as the National Institute for Undersea Science and Technology.

    The Pelican mission is due to end Sunday, but the scientists are seeking federal support to resume it soon.

    “This is a new type of event, and it’s critically important that we really understand it, because of the incredible number of oil platforms not only in the Gulf of Mexico but all over the world now,” Dr. Highsmith said. “We need to know what these events are like, and what their outcomes can be, and what can be done to deal with the next one.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/us/16oil.html?hp

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    Re: Uh Oh. Oil Discrepancy Found

    An Exxon Valdez every three days! (80,000 bl per day)

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    • #3
      Re: Uh Oh. Oil Discrepancy Found

      BP stock just broke through the $48 floor it was bouncing on. Transocean looks like it has the same pattern but hasn't yet punched through 66.

      To put, or not to put?

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        Re: Uh Oh. Oil Discrepancy Found

        Originally posted by don View Post
        May 15, 2010
        Scientists Find Giant Plumes of Oil Forming Under the Gulf

        By JUSTIN GILLIS

        Scientists are finding enormous oil plumes in the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico, including one as large as 10 miles long, 3 miles wide and 300 feet thick. The discovery is fresh evidence that the leak from the broken undersea well could be substantially worse than estimates that the government and BP have given.

        “There’s a shocking amount of oil in the deep water, relative to what you see in the surface water,” said Samantha Joye, a researcher at the University of Georgia who is involved in one of the first scientific missions to gather details about what is happening in the gulf. “There’s a tremendous amount of oil in multiple layers, three or four or five layers deep in the water column.”

        The plumes are depleting the oxygen dissolved in the gulf, worrying scientists, who fear that the oxygen level could eventually fall so low as to kill off much of the sea life near the plumes.

        Dr. Joye said the oxygen had already dropped 30 percent near some of the plumes in the month that the broken oil well had been flowing. “If you keep those kinds of rates up, you could draw the oxygen down to very low levels that are dangerous to animals in a couple of months,” she said Saturday. “That is alarming.”

        The plumes were discovered by scientists from several universities working aboard the research vessel Pelican, which sailed from Cocodrie, La., on May 3 and appears to be the first scientific expedition to gather extensive samples and information about the disaster in the gulf.
        Scientists studying video of the gushing oil well have tentatively calculated that it could be flowing at a rate of 25,000 to 80,000 barrels of oil a day. But the government, working from satellite images of the ocean surface, has calculated a flow rate of only 5,000 barrels a day.

        The undersea plumes may go a long way toward explaining the discrepancy, suggesting that much of the oil emerging from the well could be lingering far below the sea surface.

        The scientists involved in the Pelican mission, which is backed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the federal agency that monitors the health of the oceans, are not certain why that would be. They say they suspect the heavy use of chemical dispersants, which BP has injected directly into the stream of oil emerging from the well, may have broken the oil up into droplets too small to rise rapidly.
        BP said on Saturday at a briefing in Robert, La., that it had resumed undersea application of dispersants, after winning approval to do so the day before from the Environmental Protection Agency.

        “It appears that the application of the subsea dispersant is actually working,” Doug Suttles, BP’s chief operating officer for exploration and production, said Saturday after flying over the area above the oil well. “The oil in the immediate vicinity of the well and the ships and rigs working in the area is diminished from previous observations.”
        Many scientists had hoped the dispersants would cause oil droplets to spread so widely that they would be less of a problem in any one place. If it turns out that is not happening, the strategy of using the chemicals could come under greater scrutiny. Dispersants have never been used in an oil leak of this magnitude a mile under the ocean, and their effects at such depth are largely unknown.

        Much about the situation below the water remains unclear, and the scientists stressed that their results were preliminary. After the April 20 explosion of the Deepwater Horizon, they altered a previously scheduled research mission to focus on the effects of the leak.

        Interviewed on Saturday by satellite phone, one researcher aboard the Pelican, Vernon Asper of the University of Southern Mississippi, said the shallowest oil plume the group had detected was at about 2,300 feet, while the deepest was near the seafloor at about 4,200 feet.

        “We’re trying to map them, but it’s a tedious process,” Dr. Asper said. “Right now it looks like the oil is moving southwest, not all that rapidly.”

        He said the group had managed to take water samples from areas that had not yet been reached by oil, and would be able to compare those to later samples to judge the impact on the chemistry and biology of the ocean.

        While they have detected the plumes and their effects with several types of instruments, the researchers are still not sure about the exact consistency of the plumes. They are almost certainly not solid bubbles of oil, Dr. Joye said, but are likely to be a mix of oil and water that could resemble salad dressing.

        Dr. Joye is serving as a coordinator of the mission from her laboratory in Athens, Ga. Researchers from the University of Mississippi and the University of Southern Mississippi are aboard the boat taking samples and running instruments.

        Dr. Joye said the findings about declining oxygen levels were especially worrisome, since oxygen is so slow to move from the surface of the ocean to the bottom. She suspects that oil-eating bacteria are consuming the oxygen at a feverish clip as they work to break down the undersea plumes.

        While the oxygen depletion so far is not enough to kill off sea life, the possibility looms that oxygen levels could fall so low as to create large dead zones, especially at the seafloor. “That’s the big worry,” said Ray Highsmith, head of the Mississippi center that sponsored the mission, known as the National Institute for Undersea Science and Technology.

        The Pelican mission is due to end Sunday, but the scientists are seeking federal support to resume it soon.

        “This is a new type of event, and it’s critically important that we really understand it, because of the incredible number of oil platforms not only in the Gulf of Mexico but all over the world now,” Dr. Highsmith said. “We need to know what these events are like, and what their outcomes can be, and what can be done to deal with the next one.”

        http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/us/16oil.html?hp
        I watched BBC World TV to-day, and they had "the scientists say" blah, blah, blah, ..... end of the world, oxygen levels dropping, eco-system collapsing, crappola. Trust the BBC for the most outrageous nonsense from either the Greens or the Islamists, and no alternative viewpoints are allowed.

        If the oxygen levels in the Gulf of Mexico are dropping by 30%, where are the dead fish; i.e, there should be trillions of tonnes of dead everything by now, so where are the trillions of tonnes of dead everything? Show me. I want the evidence, not the spin, not the computer modelling, not the calculations, and not the "scientists say".

        Just like the sea level is going to drown world cities, the glaciers are disappearing, the Earth is warming, the ozone has disappeared and people are going to go blind, and the polar bears are drowning; show me the evidence, not the spin. Where are all the drowned polar bears, not to mention, drowned coastal cities? Where are all of the blind mammals from ozone depletion?

        Yes, I own stock in BP among stock in many other energy companies, so I am hiding nothing here. I believe the work that these companies do is vital to mankind.

        And yes, I am Starving Steve, and I have seven years of university-level study in the Earth sciences, not to mention experience in planning cities. Isn't it interesting how BBC never contacted me on any of these issues of the day?

        Anyway, I want to see the trillions of tonnes of dead fish in the Gulf of Mexico; where are they? Show me "the dead zones" in the Gulf of Mexico. Where is the evidence, please?
        Last edited by Starving Steve; May 16, 2010, 03:28 PM.

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          Re: Uh Oh. Oil Discrepancy Found

          Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post

          If the oxygen levels in the Gulf of Mexico are dropping by 30%, where are the dead fish; i.e, there should be trillions of tonnes of dead everything by now, so where are the trillions of tonnes of dead everything? Show me. I want the evidence, not the spin, not the computer modelling, not the calculations, and not the "scientists say".

          Isn't it interesting how BBC never contacted me on any of these issues of the day?
          Demanding to see "trillions of tonnes of dead everything" as the level of proof that we are on the edge of an ecological disaster in the Gulf, pretty much takes away the mystery as to why the BBC isn't contacting you. ;)

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          • #6
            Re: Uh Oh. Oil Discrepancy Found

            Obama has publicly scolded the CEOs of BP, Transocean, and Halliburton. To put, or not to put?

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            • #7
              Re: Uh Oh. Oil Discrepancy Found

              Originally posted by Minion View Post
              Obama has publicly scolded the CEOs of BP, Transocean, and Halliburton. To put, or not to put?
              To place a put on BP, be my guest. Bull markets in energy need shorts and puts. These foolish bets keep the bull market healthy.

              The world is short of energy, especially cheap oil. Good luck. I hope you have lots of windmills and solar panels for your plug-in electric cars. Arminijad must be laughing his head off! That victory (by default) for Arminijad is sad for America and the world.
              Last edited by Starving Steve; May 16, 2010, 11:20 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Uh Oh. Oil Discrepancy Found

                A fish swimming at, say, two miles an hour, will have vacated the area inside of an afternoon and as with humans that decide they do not like the bad air near any form of a fire, (equivalent disturbance to the breathable medium for the fish), will stay away. Thus the answer is that there is a much longer term problem for large areas of the Gulf seabed. Not sure what to say to Starving Steve when his chosen position is so......

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                • #9
                  Re: Uh Oh. Oil Discrepancy Found

                  Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                  To place a put on BP, be my guest. Bull markets in energy need shorts and puts. These foolish bets keep the bull market healthy.

                  The world is short of energy, especially cheap oil. Good luck. I hope you have lots of windmills and solar panels for your plug-in electric cars. Arminijad must be laughing his head off! That victory (by default) for Arminijad is sad for America and the world.
                  One contract already rang the cash register. I'm waiting a few more days on the other as the stock bounces on yet another (lower) support.

                  My RV is soon to be solar powered.

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