I find this worrying

[Mega]

I question the timing, could "They" be planning a race war with in America to draw attension away from the collapse?
http://www.infowars.com/new-film-mac...voke-race-war/

X-files?
mike

[sishya]

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Thanks. I find this trailer disturbing as well.

[ASH]

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So... Machete started as an over-the-top spoof movie trailer appearing as part of Quentin Tarantino's Grindhouse -- appropriate to the genre. But what starts as a tongue-in-cheek satire of B movie campiness, filmed as part of an homage to campy over-the-top B movies, turns into a real project, because people start saying "You know what? Danny Trejo is f*cking awesome, and I'd pay good money to see him in an over-the-top B movie brandishing a machete."

The rest is just a combination of good marketing for the resulting film, and Hollywood political editorializing about something that is widely viewed on the left (and part of the center) as excessively nativist legislation.

"They" aren't involved, unless by "they" you mean Hollywood promoters eager to sell tickets.

[ASH]

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I mean, have you seen him is Desperado?

[globaleconomicollaps]

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So... Machette started as an over-the-top spoof movie trailer appearing as part of Quentin Tarantino's Grindhouse -- appropriate to the genre. But what starts as a tongue-in-cheek satire of B movie campiness, filmed as part of an homage to campy over-the-top B movies, turns into a real project, because people start saying "You know what? Danny Trejo is f*cking awesome, and I'd pay good money to see him in an over-the-top B movie brandishing a machette."

The rest is just a combination of good marketing for the resulting film, and Hollywood political editorializing about something that is widely viewed on the left (and part of the center) as excessively nativist legislation.

"They" aren't involved, unless by "they" you mean Hollywood promoters eager to sell tickets.

The KKK started as an over the top joke. The name Klan spelled with a "K", the robes and crosses and the whole theatrical thing was intended to put critics at ease as to their intentions. Right wing racists love to say "It was all a big joke! We where just playing with you! Relax don't take it so serious."

-G

[ThePythonicCow]

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I question the timing, could "They" be planning a race war with in America to draw attension away from the collapse?

I see nothing special about the timing, because it seems to me that those who would assert central power are always, always, dividing those they would enslave into factions, in order to justify their assertion of authority over the resolution of the consequent conflicts. This is the Hegelian Dialectic, manifest in the ordinary affairs of people and of those who would rule over them.

So the timing is not special, for the timing is always.

What we must note is the form that the conflict takes in each moment, that we may avoid getting caught up in the Big Lies.

We must strive each day to judge our fellow humans each on their own individual merit, not as a member of some hated "other" group, demeaned by mass propaganda as sub-human.

[ASH]

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The KKK started as an over the top joke. The name Klan spelled with a "K", the robes and crosses and the whole theatrical thing was intended to put critics at ease as to their intentions. Right wing racists love to say "It was all a big joke! We where just playing with you! Relax don't take it so serious."

-G

So... what should I make of the zombies in Planet Terror (the second half of Grindhouse)? Are you at all familiar with the origins of this movie?

In addition to the fake trailer for Machete, there were also these gems:

Werewolf Women of the SS (directed by Rob Zombie)
Thanksgiving (directed by Eli Roth)

And, of course, Don't!

[ASH]

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I question the timing, could "They" be planning ... to draw attension away from the collapse?

Cause and effect are reversed. The economic downturn increases tension over illegal immigrants because of competition for jobs, tight state and municipal budgets, and fewer opportunities for natives to benefit from employment of cheap immigrant labor. This isn't trumped up by anyone to draw attention away from the downturn, this is a reaction to the conditions of the downturn. When most of the natives have jobs and there's a housing bubble on, cheap immigrant labor is a boon that many can exploit. But when a lot of the natives are out of work, and there aren't as many opportunities to profit by employing cheap immigrant labor, then other aspects of the illegals are foremost on people's minds.

[sishya]

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If this "Machete" movie is based on violence between 2 prominent ethnicity in USA, I cannot consider this
as another violent or vampire movie.

[ThePythonicCow]

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So... what should I make of the zombies in Planet Terror (the second half of Grindhouse)? Are you at all familiar with the origins of this movie?

I doubt that one can tell just looking at a particular movie whether it is just camp culture of no particular consequence, or whether it is a leading indicator of a major social theme of conflict. One has to look about and see if such a major conflict is actually rising.

That's why Alex Jones is concerned that the Cinco de Mayo advertisement for this movie made a pointed connection to the anti-illegal-immigrant legislation in Arizona. That connection is one bit of evidence that this movie is not just the answer to some future movie trivia question, but also and more seriously a leading indicator of a theme of rising social conflict.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Cause and effect are reversed. The economic downturn increases tension over illegal immigrants because of competition for jobs, tight state and municipal budgets, and fewer opportunities for natives to benefit from employment of cheap immigrant labor. This isn't trumped up by anyone to draw attention away from the downturn, this is a reaction to the conditions of the downturn.

I suspect that this is not an either-or, mutually exclusive, choice.

Rather I suspect that there are feedback loops here. Economic downturn can increase tension, as you note. Going the reverse direction, increased tensions can impair the economy. Those who might benefit from increased central authority can be motivated to both harm the economy and increase conflict, by way of justifying their "solution."

[ASH]

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If this "Machete" movie is based on violence between 2 prominent ethnicity in USA, I cannot consider this
as another violent or vampire movie.

I'm just trying to address Mega's suspicions that this movie is intended to divert public attention away from the country's financial problems.

Question: Grindhouse was released in April 2007, before the recession. How can the plot of Machete, which was outlined in the trailer dating from 2007, be a response to post-bubble politics?

Could this be relevant to current racial politics? Yes. Could the plot of Machete be a political plant in response to post-bubble politics? Not unless someone has a time machine.

[ASH]

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I suspect that this is not an either-or, mutually exclusive, choice.

Rather I suspect that there are feedback loops here. Economic downturn can increase tension, as you note. Going the reverse direction, increased tensions can impair the economy. Those who might benefit from increased central authority can be motivated to both harm the economy and increase conflict, by way of justifying their "solution."

Yes, but... time machine!

And Cheech Marin.

[Raz]

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The KKK started as an over the top joke. The name Klan spelled with a "K", the robes and crosses and the whole theatrical thing was intended to put critics at ease as to their intentions. Right wing racists love to say "It was all a big joke! We where just playing with you! Relax don't take it so serious."

-G

The Klan didn't begin as a "joke". The hoods, robes, midnight visits and flaming crosses were specifically designed to terrorize freedmen and anyone else who opposed white rule.
If that wasn't sufficient the next tactic was arson. After that came murder.

And all racists do not eminate from the right of the political spectrum.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Yes, but... time machine!

Yes, but... feed back loops! ;)

Your "time machine" observation (Machete's trailer came out in April 2007, pre-collapse) may well negate a theory of simple, linear causation.

But it does not negate the possibility that Machete is transforming from an also-ran B-movie to a forceful icon of an expanding conflict.