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    GM 'close to commiting fraud' in ad, lawmaker charges
    David Shepardson / Detroit News Washington Bureau
    Washington -- A senior Republican criticized General Motors Co. decision to run television advertisements featuring the company's CEO that tout its repayment of $6.7 billion in government loans.
    Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., the ranking member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said in a letter obtained by The Detroit News today to GM chairman and CEO Edward Whitacre Jr. that the company "has come dangerously close to committing fraud and that you might have colluded with the U.S. Treasury to deceive the American public."
    GM's ads featured Whitacre touting that fact that GM "repaid our government loan in full, with interest, five years ahead of the original schedule."

    Issa called on GM to stop running the television advertisements. But GM spokesman Dave Roman said the ads stopped running as scheduled on Tuesday night.
    At issue is the fact that GM received $50 billion in U.S. government bailout funds -- but about $43 billion of those were swapped by the government in exchange for a 61 percent majority stake in GM.
    GM had $17.4 billion of those funds in escrow -- and GM tapped unused funds from that account to repay the taxpayers for the loan portion. But it won't be clear for years whether taxpayers will be completely repaid until the government sells all of its shares in the company.
    GM declined to comment directly on Issa's letter.
    "Our work is not finished, but repaying our loans with interest is a clear sign that our plan is working, and a critical step toward returning GM to profitability and public ownership," GM spokesman Greg Martin said. "It's hard to see how GM's loan repayment could not be seen as a positive milestone for the company and taxpayers."
    Issa argues that GM could even face lawsuits if people purchased a GM based on the advertisements.
    "The American people, as the majority shareholders of GM, have a right to know the truth behind the cost of the GM bailout and GM's genuine financial condition," Issa wrote. "GM's false advertisements are counterproductive and shameful."
    But another critic of GM, Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, acknowledged in a speech on the Senate floor yesterday that the GM advertisements and Treasury statements were "technically correct."
    The White House has touted GM's repayment as a sign of progress.
    The Treasury Department said in a letter yesterday that they repayment was a positive step -- and denied it misled anyone.
    "The fact that GM made that determination and repaid the remaining $4.7 billion to the U.S. government now is good news for the company, our investment, and the American people," Herbert Allison, assistant secretary for financial stability, said in a letter


    From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100429/AUTO01/4290473/1148/rss25#ixzz0mnhZntka
    I had already emailed many people about this GM ad. Most people are going to believe that they have paid the government back all the money we gave them:mad:
    Last edited by jiimbergin; May 02, 2010, 02:09 PM.

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    Re: GM advertisement - Fraud?

    I was yelling "BS!" at the tv when I first saw that commercial. But the average Joe will accept it at face value. Lying is quite the art form now in America.

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    • #3
      Re: GM advertisement - Fraud?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOaS2...wk&feature=sub

      How The Hell Did GM Pay Back Its Loans "in Full And Ahead of Schedule"? Well, It Didn't.

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        Why would Rep Issa go out on a limb like this? He has nothing to gain and everything to lose from this sort of public rebuttal of GM. Is there more to this story?
        The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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          Originally posted by reggie View Post
          Why would Rep Issa go out on a limb like this? He has nothing to gain and everything to lose from this sort of public rebuttal of GM. Is there more to this story?
          I guess I am gullible. I just assumed he saw something wrong and said so

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            The next time I purchase a car, I am going to give Ford a test drive at the very least. I will never do business with GM. This kind of advertising is pointed at people like me (who do not read iTulip). I am sure many people will believe it. Ford ought to come out with an advertising campaign "GM -> owned by uncle sam. Ford, owned by workers like you." In the background they can put pictures/video of congressmen sleeping and "real American" working their butts off.

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              Originally posted by aaron View Post
              The next time I purchase a car, I am going to give Ford a test drive at the very least. I will never do business with GM. This kind of advertising is pointed at people like me (who do not read iTulip). I am sure many people will believe it. Ford ought to come out with an advertising campaign "GM -> owned by uncle sam. Ford, owned by workers like you." In the background they can put pictures/video of congressmen sleeping and "real American" working their butts off.
              That would be a great ad, but probably won't happen.

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                Re: GM advertisement - Fraud?

                Originally posted by aaron View Post
                The next time I purchase a car, I am going to give Ford a test drive at the very least. I will never do business with GM. This kind of advertising is pointed at people like me (who do not read iTulip). I am sure many people will believe it. Ford ought to come out with an advertising campaign "GM -> owned by uncle sam. Ford, owned by workers like you." In the background they can put pictures/video of congressmen sleeping and "real American" working their butts off.
                You would be wrong to believe any such claim if it was to be made by Ford. Ford is owned by its creditors...FIRE is alive and well...:rolleyes:

                The company is in debt up to its eyeballs. It currently has $34.3 Billion of debt as of the end of 1st Q 2010. Most of that occurred in 2006, a little over two months after Alan Mulally came over from Boeing to take on the role of Ford CEO and turn around the company. Mulally mortgaged everything at Ford including the familiar blue oval...a move that on the face of it looked astute after the credit markets imploded. But I think it`s still too early to know if the gamble is going to really pay off for the company...and its stockholders and workers...
                Ford gets $18B in loans to fund restructuring

                Updated 11/28/2006 12:52 AM ET

                DETROIT — For the first time in its history, Ford Motor (F) has used substantially all of its North American plants, trademarks, patents and even some intracompany debt as collateral to secure $18 billion in loans to help fund the company's attempt at restructuring over the next two years...
                Last edited by GRG55; May 02, 2010, 08:12 AM.

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                • #9
                  Re: GM advertisement - Fraud?

                  Jim,

                  Please remove the adblade code from your posting!

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                  • #10
                    Re: GM advertisement - Fraud?

                    I have tried. I have clicked on the ad and have cut the ad and when I preview it it is still there?

                    I fiqured a way out finally.
                    I fixed it by going outside itulip and creating a new text only copy and deleting the entire original post.
                    Last edited by jiimbergin; May 02, 2010, 02:11 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: GM advertisement - Fraud?

                      Jim,

                      Understand your dilemma.

                      What I've noticed is that there is usually a blank 'space' or three where the ad code is. Selecting the words before and after the ad usually does it, or 'right clicking' to see if you can catch the frame.

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                        Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                        Jim,

                        Understand your dilemma.

                        What I've noticed is that there is usually a blank 'space' or three where the ad code is. Selecting the words before and after the ad usually does it, or 'right clicking' to see if you can catch the frame.
                        You can "see" such hidden stuff by switching editor mode to show all the HTML and BB codes. While editing your reply, click on the Switch Editor Mode in the upper right of the editing tools surrounding your reply box. Your reply being edited will redisplay with the HTML and BB visible as geeky codes, instead of hidden in a WYSIWYG mode. Then it's easy to get rid of undesired cruft or if you prefer to rework it.
                        Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                          Re: GM advertisement - Fraud?

                          Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                          You can "see" such hidden stuff by switching editor mode to show all the HTML and BB codes. While editing your reply, click on the Switch Editor Mode in the upper right of the editing tools surrounding your reply box. Your reply being edited will redisplay with the HTML and BB visible as geeky codes, instead of hidden in a WYSIWYG mode. Then it's easy to get rid of undesired cruft or if you prefer to rework it.
                          Thanks for the help. That is like showing all the formatting marks in WORD. I will try it next time.
                          jim

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