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    http://realestate.msn.com/article.as...5607&GT1=35006

    Hard times in Paradise

    The foreclosure crisis catches up with a wealthy, exclusive community in Arizona that once considered itself immune.

    By Melinda Fulmer of MSN Real Estate

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    The owner of this palatial property defaulted on a $6.5 million note and it is now listed at $3.5 million. // © Cionne McCarthy





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    In 2008, it looked as if Paradise Valley, the wealthiest, most exclusive community in Arizona, had neatly side-stepped the foreclosure crisis.
    Only 38 foreclosures were recorded in this 16-square-mile town that year. Indeed, the median home price for resale detached homes reached an all-time high of $2 million in mid-2008, according to MDA DataQuick, even as values plummeted elsewhere.
    "People were buying up million-dollar homes, tearing them down and rebuilding them," says Jay Butler, director of the Arizona Real Estate Center at Arizona State University's W.P. Carey School of Business.
    The fall
    Last year, the bottom dropped out. Like many other luxury-home markets, Paradise Valley joined the foreclosure crisis late: As the economy worsened, companies lost clients and executives lost bonuses or jobs. Affluent residents ran through their savings and credit. And banks, once reluctant to foreclose on major depositors, started taking estates back.
    People began talking of "simplifying their lifestyle."
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    By the end of 2009, the number of foreclosures had tripled to 114, with an additional 315 notices of trustee sale filed, according to the Information Market, a data provider. In most cities, this paltry number wouldn’t even cause a ripple in the real-estate market. But in this tiny town of about 7,700 homes — owned by celebrities, politicians and businessmen such as Muhammad Ali, Alice Cooper, Dan Quayle, Mike Tyson and Peter Sperling — these foreclosures landed with a thud.
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    Broker sale signs, once considered too gauche for this tony enclave, with its 12 high-end resorts, began sprouting like weeds, as overstretched borrowers began seeking short sales or letting their underwater custom homes go.The excess
    Forget Beverly Hills. Some of the priciest foreclosures in RealtyTrac’s database were in tiny Paradise Valley, and all were recorded last year — such as this palatial property with private theater, walk-in wine cellar, indoor sport court and separate guest house with two-car garage, which was taken back by the bank when its owner defaulted on a $6.5 million note. It’s now listed at $3.5 million.
    Spec homes, with up to 10,000 square feet of space and as many as eight bathrooms, continued to be built as late as last year.The attitude of most people — even those in the real-estate business — was that economic hardship "doesn’t happen here," says Jon Wall of JM Wall Development, a Phoenix custom homebuilder that was also building in less expensive parts of town.
    He says he knew the market was in serious trouble when the list of 12 build-to-suit projects he had been contracted for in Paradise Valley all went up in smoke, as buyers couldn’t find financing. Suddenly, nothing was moving.
    He sold his last spec home there in late 2008, taking a major price reduction and barely squeaking out a profit. Others weren’t so lucky.
    "We were crying the blues," he says. "But a lot of (spec home builders) shut their doors and went under."
    What was left
    The remnants of this go-go building activity still litter the landscape — and the multiple listing service.
    Many of the projects were left unfinished, such as this 8,000-square-foot Tuscan estate, which boasts a "guest casita," a master bedroom with separate sitting room and a "full Irish pub-style bar," but no flooring, landscaping or kitchen countertops.
    "We’ve seen examples of where something that was listed for $10 million sold for $2 million," says luxury real-estate agent Walt Danley, who has sold homes in the area for nearly three decades. "The run-up did get a little out of control. It needed a correction, but this is an overcorrection."
    Indeed, with a median per-square-foot price of around $289, according to real-estate Web site Trulia, these homes with their deluxe finishes are a relative bargain for those who can scrape together the financing.
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    A new nouveau riche?
    For those with a steady income, it has meant a chance to finally move into the area that says, "You’ve arrived," Butler says.
    Dick and Laurie Wheelock, who own a sprinkler-systems company, traded up from their house in nearby Squaw Peak to a larger 8,500-square-foot spec home built in the Preserve at Lincoln, a new gated community in Paradise Valley near the Arizona Biltmore Resort.
    The home, with its wine storage, theater room and three fireplaces, had been originally priced close to $8 million, he said. The Wheelocks picked it up in February for $2.2 million.
    "The market just fell apart, and (the builder) was trying to get whatever he could out of it," Dick Wheelock said. "We are enjoying it very much."A continued correction
    Bargains like these should be around for a while, agents and economists say.
    Even as local economists are predicting that the Phoenix market will bottom out this spring and that prices will start ticking back up, no one knows exactly when the price reductions will stop in Paradise Valley.
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    The number of sales of distressed properties has grown, as many business owners who took out a credit line against their homes to try to save their businesses got deeper underwater and could no longer afford to keep making those payments.
    "Short sales will continue to dominate the market for the foreseeable future," Danley says.
    Indeed, the number of homes pending foreclosure was at a monthly high of 150 in March, according to the Information Market. And 190 bank-owned properties are on the multiple listing service in Paradise Valley.However, locals say, the same things that created the cachet for this town are still there, such as the zoning restrictions that allow no more than one home to an acre, the high-end resorts and country clubs, and the beautiful views of Mummy Mountain.
    "Honestly, I think it will come back up," Wall says.
    However, he says he thinks the days of building the biggest energy-guzzling mansions may be over.
    "People are much more conservative now," he says. "Now it will be maybe 7,000, 6,000 or 5,000 square feet."

  • #2
    Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

    cjppjc; I don't understand.

    I have nothing against the wealthy.

    However, I cannot stand Central Banksters and gosvernment stupidity...

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    • #3
      Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

      America falling apart regardless of where you are on the socio-economic totem poll is not a 'happy' thing

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      • #4
        Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

        Originally posted by LargoWinch View Post
        cjppjc; I don't understand.

        I have nothing against the wealthy.

        However, I cannot stand Central Banksters and gosvernment stupidity...
        Stupidity is not limited to Bankers and government.

        Stupidity often is the assumption - "My cash flow will continue as it has, or will increase as time passes, therefore I am justified in leveraging my perceived assets based on that assumption."

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        • #5
          Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

          Originally posted by Rajiv View Post
          Stupidity is not limited to Bankers and government.

          Stupidity often is the assumption - "My cash flow will continue as it has, or will increase as time passes, therefore I am justified in leveraging my perceived assets based on that assumption."
          True.

          But when such "assumption" is rewarded with a bailout in the event of failure, then a lot - if not all - is lost.

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          • #6
            Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

            Originally posted by LargoWinch View Post
            True.

            But when such "assumption" is rewarded with a bailout in the event of failure, then a lot - if not all - is lost.
            Yeah, it's wrong, on like 23.2 Trillion levels!:rolleyes:

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            • #7
              Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

              Originally posted by LargoWinch View Post
              cjppjc; I don't understand.

              I have nothing against the wealthy.

              However, I cannot stand Central Banksters and gosvernment stupidity...

              I didn't say this will make LargoWinch happy.

              I stand by my statement. I thing many here who read the article will feel good.

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              • #8
                Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

                My criticisms are actually more along the lines of Roger Steare - and his article - The Morals of Money

                The credit crisis of 2007–2008 and the subsequent economic recession were the direct consequence of serious ethical failures. Banks lent money that they didn’t have to borrowers who wanted goods and services they couldn’t afford or didn’t actually need. Human greed and fear were the fundamental drivers of the crisis. Unfortunately, however, the crisis is certain to be repeated, unless or until human beings learn to exercise greater restraint, courage, humanity, and judgment.

                The ethical failures that lay behind the crisis go to the heart of modern economic theory. If we want economic growth, we must also accept economic decline. We inhabit a closed planetary ecosystem with finite resources. While solar radiation, wind energy, and gravity offer virtually unlimited energy resources, fossil fuels, fresh water, fertile soil, a benign climate, and biodiversity are either limited or fragile.
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                • #9
                  Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

                  Also what is your moral DNA? -- the Moral DNA Test

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                  • #10
                    Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

                    he says rules don't work never have and is appealling to people to look to their humanity.

                    I think he's missing the point all together. The rules don't work coz they're made by people with an incentive to rig the system. The rules need to be more democratically written, that's how you appeal to humanity. Bet business will never be in favour of this because it doesn't help the bottom line.

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                    • #11
                      Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

                      why else does business like this guy, he's still giving them full control.

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                      • #12
                        Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

                        They don't build them like they used to, do they? Not that I live posh area of...Oakland;), by any means, and yet my untrained eye tells me that aesthetics are lacking in a lot of these "dream" homes...

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                        • #13
                          Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

                          Yes I disagree wih him on that point as well. Regulations have to be there -- strong enforceable regulations -- Once they are there, then the appeal to ethics and morality works very well to keep the discontent down! That approach worked very well in the 1970's, until the politics brought about the decimation of regulations, starting first in the US, and then the "contagian" spread world wide!

                          But other than that, I still liked what he had to say!

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                          • #14
                            Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

                            I helped build a couple of those dream homes, 10 years ago. They resembled 3-5 normal houses hooked together, sometimes in a ring or u shape. We had soooooo much time to build them compared to the tract housing that was going up elsewhere. Custom homes had the big margins. Commercial construction was even easier (strip malls, big box stores).

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                            • #15
                              Re: This should make alot of posters here happy

                              Originally posted by marvenger View Post
                              why else does business like this guy, he's still giving them full control.
                              These businesses love this guy because he isn't talking about ethics or morals he is just selling them 'moral relativism' as ethics. Real morals and ethics are taught at home, in the family, and community. If you can't learn them by the age of 10, your sure as hell not gonna learn them at 40.

                              In the video the one point that blows his cover is when he asks "how do you measure ethics or morals", you don't, the action is either right or wrong regardless of how you measure it. This is just another one of these pseudo consultants that helps companies create the illusion of ethics, morals, or any other flavor of the month fantasy land PR (green, fair trade, social responsibility). All the while collecting some huge fee and making people feel good, warm, and fuzzy inside.

                              In the end it becomes a race to the bottom, if a company see's the competition is lying and unethical they'll do they same and justify profits and not ethics.

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