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  • Apple trying to be the new Microsoft?

    Amusing how Jobs & Apple got spanked the first time around vs. the Microsoft/Intel group, now they figure to reprise the battle vs. Adobe, Google/Android, and the mobile handset manufacturers.

    I hit upon this myself just yesterday when I was denied downloading Flash onto the new business' iPhone to follow a baseball game live while on the move.

    http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/09/is-...to-rewrite-it/

    Very few people get the chance to make history. Even fewer get the chance to make it twice. Perhaps that is why it is so fascinating to watch Steve Jobs as he tries to usher in the era of mobile touch computing today, just as he ushered in the era of the personal computer three decades ago. But I wonder whether he is repeating the very same mistakes which relegated Macs to a niche market. Or did he learn from those mistakes so that Apple comes out on top this time?
    Jobs is once again pitting Apple’s complete product design mastery against the rest of the industry, except this time he thinks he will prevail. Whether it is his repeated moves to keep Adobe’s Flash off the iPhone or his growing rift with Google over Android, Jobs is making the iPhone and iPad a relatively closed system that Apple can control. All apps need to be approved by Apple, the ads shown on the apps will also start to go through Apple, and no matter how hard Adobe tries to open up the iPhone to its Flash developers Apple will keep blocking all its efforts.
    Developers and pundits can cry foul all they want about Apple’s lack of openness. But remember, companies are only open when it is convenient for them. The fight with Adobe has always been about making developers play by Apple’s rules. And right now they can make those rules because they have all the customers.
    In the desktop era, Windows had the most apps, which translated directly into sales. Today on mobile, the iPhone has the most apps and Jobs wants to keep it that way. Allowing Adobe or Microsoft to port apps developed for other devices to the iPhone devalues the iPhone, which is why Apple is cracking down so hard on Adobe. It is not about Flash, it is about developers. As John Gruber writes:
    The App Store platform could turn into a long-term de facto standard platform. That’s how Microsoft became Microsoft. At a certain point developers wrote apps for Windows because so many users were on Windows and users bought Windows PCs because all the software was being written for Windows. That’s the sort of situation that creates a license to print money.
    But how long will that license last? The iPhone faces a growing threat from Google’s Android phones, which are the PCs of the mobile world. Only Apple makes the iPhone, but many phone manufacturers make Android phones just like many PC makers produce Windows PCs. Slowly but surely, those Android phones are getting better. And already Android sales are collectively catching up to iPhone sales.
    Of all people, surely he sees what is coming. Is he ignoring his own history, or does he know it so well that this time he is going to try to rewrite it by changing the outcome? As long as the iPhone remains the leading smartphone, he can try to lock out Google’s ads and lock in developers with their apps (and, by extension, customers who want those apps).
    Still, it seems like history could repeat itself, with the rest of the industry closing the innovation gap with Apple fast. With Google subsidizing the mobile OS, other phone manufacturers have an economic advantage as well. Jobs is trying everything he can to hold back the Android advance, including suing HTC, the largest manufacturer of Android phones. He is fighting Google with everything he’s got—undercutting Google’s pending acquisition of AdMob by entering the mobile advertising market and creating fear among Android partners with his patent lawsuit.
    In the end, it is the victors who write history. Right now, Jobs is winning. Can he keep winning or is history against him?
    Last time: monolithic OS competitor (Microsoft) plus monopolistic hardware provider (Intel) vs. proprietary OS and hardware provider (Apple) (with some help from IBM). Apple loses PC wars

    This time: monolithic OS competitor (Google) plus several proprietary OS' (Palm, Blackberry), plus several open source OS' (Symbian, Java/Linux variants) plus a fragmented hardware market (Nokia, Samsung, LG, Palm, RIMM, etc) vs. proprietary OS and hardware provider (Apple).

    Apple starts by attacking a 3rd party development tools company: Adobe

    What will happen?

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    Re: Apple trying to be the new Microsoft?

    Re: What will happen?

    So who’s going to blink first?

    Apple won't Blink. Jobs is being pig headed on Safari, he would need to open it up more for Adobe and that might require virus software on the phone operating system.

    Personally I don't want to see advertisement banners on Safari and the iPhone like we have in Firefox and IE. The major bulk of Flash out there is Ads. I don't care about lame flash "games" either.

    As for video services the MPEG-4 and H.264 codecs are available, and it would not be too difficult for the programmers to detect the browser version and stream via alternative encoding like H.264 which is of better quality than Flash.

    I would expect if the iPhone market grows exponentially then the developers will offer alternative streaming formats on their websites before Jobs ever blinks on Adobe Flash.

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    • #3
      Re: Apple trying to be the new Microsoft?

      Originally posted by c1ue View Post
      ...Apple starts by attacking a 3rd party development tools company: Adobe...
      Is Apple really "attacking" Adobe? Or just walling itself off?

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        Re: Apple trying to be the new Microsoft?

        Originally posted by seanm123
        I would expect if the iPhone market grows exponentially then the developers will offer alternative streaming formats on their websites before Jobs ever blinks on Adobe Flash.
        I'd say that is going to be a tough sell. iPhone is the single largest monolithic market player in smartphones, but it is not dominant by any stretch of imagination.

        The limitation of GSM and AT & T in particular will forever prevent that. Even the recent Verizon announcement is less radical than it seems: Apple isn't developing a CDMA iPhone so much as Verizon is adopting a new baseband platform which allows both CDMA and GSM support.

        In the meantime, note the install base numbers:

        screen-shot-2009-12-22-at-3-29-12-pm.png

        Note that both 3G and 3GS numbers are lumped together.

        Originally posted by GRG55
        Is Apple really "attacking" Adobe? Or just walling itself off?
        I'd say so.

        Deliberately excluding a company and its platform - neither of which are in the same space - constitutes an attack on said company's business.

        Furthermore it isn't a case of exclusion by oversight - Apple has right out said it will not ever support Flash and even Flash translated software, thus forcing developers to make a choice of either developing for Apple/iPhone or Flash/general internet html.

        Although to be fair it isn't that Apple wants Adobe dead per se. It wants to monopolize developers' tool kits which in turn would kill Adobe dead.

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          Re: Apple trying to be the new Microsoft?

          I have to say as a developer for iPhone/iPad I really miss being able to watch all that free tv on my iPad because of the lack of flash.

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          • #6
            Re: Apple trying to be the new Microsoft?

            Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
            I have to say as a developer for iPhone/iPad I really miss being able to watch all that free tv on my iPad because of the lack of flash.
            As a retarded retired open source hacker, I find your discomfort good news . Perhaps it hastens the day that there is a first class competitor to Flash. Flash is perhaps the most insecure, buggy and closed piece of software I still use.
            Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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            • #7
              Re: Apple trying to be the new Microsoft?

              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
              I'd say that is going to be a tough sell. iPhone is the single largest monolithic market player in smartphones, but it is not dominant by any stretch of imagination.

              The limitation of GSM and AT & T in particular will forever prevent that. Even the recent Verizon announcement is less radical than it seems: Apple isn't developing a CDMA iPhone so much as Verizon is adopting a new baseband platform which allows both CDMA and GSM support.

              In the meantime, note the install base numbers:

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              Note that both 3G and 3GS numbers are lumped together.



              I'd say so.

              Deliberately excluding a company and its platform - neither of which are in the same space - constitutes an attack on said company's business.

              Furthermore it isn't a case of exclusion by oversight - Apple has right out said it will not ever support Flash and even Flash translated software, thus forcing developers to make a choice of either developing for Apple/iPhone or Flash/general internet html.

              Although to be fair it isn't that Apple wants Adobe dead per se. It wants to monopolize developers' tool kits which in turn would kill Adobe dead.
              C1ue - on the number of phones above note Blackberry gives away their phone for free to many of the Fortune 500. Not so with the iPhone, it has a long way to go to be a business device.

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              • #8
                Re: Apple trying to be the new Microsoft?

                Originally posted by seanm123
                C1ue - on the number of phones above note Blackberry gives away their phone for free to many of the Fortune 500. Not so with the iPhone, it has a long way to go to be a business device.
                Quite true. The question I have is - what are the economics of a free Blackberry vs. a free iPhone?

                Will companies start buying iPhones to give to their employees when faced with the choice of a free Blackberry?

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                • #9
                  Re: Apple trying to be the new Microsoft?

                  Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                  As a retarded retired open source hacker, I find your discomfort good news . Perhaps it hastens the day that there is a first class competitor to Flash. Flash is perhaps the most insecure, buggy and closed piece of software I still use.

                  Html5 is replacing a nice chunk of flashs functionality, ncluding videos. I care less about the lack of flash on the iPhone, many developers
                  are now pissed this week at apples requirement that apps are only written in c/c++/obejective-c now

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                  • #10
                    Re: Apple trying to be the new Microsoft?

                    Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                    As a retarded retired open source hacker, I find your discomfort good news . Perhaps it hastens the day that there is a first class competitor to Flash. Flash is perhaps the most insecure, buggy and closed piece of software I still use.
                    May I ask exactly what do you do when confronted with insecure software? Hire a therapist?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Apple trying to be the new Microsoft?

                      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                      May I ask exactly what do you do when confronted with insecure software? Hire a therapist?
                      Write backup software, really good backup software.

                      I take various other security measures as well, too numerous to list here.

                      In the case of flash, my Firefox startup script completely removes "$HOME/.macromedia/Flash_Player" everytime I startup Firefox (my primary use for Flash.) That's the default Linux path; I don't know offhand what is the Windows equivalent.

                      (Yeah, I realize you asked in jest. But I'm an inveterate nerd and proud of it .)
                      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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