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  • Shades of Ngo Dinh Diem

    Ngo Dinh Diem, and his brother Ngo Dinh Nhu, were assassinated 20 days before Kennedy. Echoes abound in the following Mayor-of Kabul puppet-throws-a-conniption-fit.

    March 29, 2010

    Afghan Leader Is Seen to Flout Influence of U.S.

    By DEXTER FILKINS and MARK LANDLER

    KABUL, Afghanistan — This month, with President Hamid Karzai looking ahead to a visit to the White House, he received a terse note from aides to President Obama: Your invitation has been revoked.

    The reason, according to American officials, was Mr. Karzai’s announcement that he was emasculating an independent panel that had discovered widespread fraud in Mr. Karzai’s re-election last year.

    Incensed, Mr. Karzai extended an invitation of his own — to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, who flew to Kabul and delivered a fiery anti-American speech inside Afghanistan’s presidential palace.

    “Karzai was enraged,” said an Afghan with knowledge of the events, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the issue. “He invited Ahmadinejad to spite the Americans.”

    The dispute was smoothed over only this week, when Mr. Obama flew to Kabul for a surprise dinner with Mr. Karzai. White House officials emphasized that the most important purpose of Mr. Obama’s trip to Afghanistan was to visit American troops there.

    But the red carpet treatment of Mr. Ahmadinejad is just one example of how Mr. Karzai is putting distance between himself and his American sponsors, prominent Afghans and American officials here said. Even as Mr. Obama pours tens of thousands of additional American troops into the country to help defend Mr. Karzai’s government, Mr. Karzai now often voices the view that his interests and the United States’ no longer coincide.

    Neither Mr. Karzai nor his spokesman, Waheed Omar, could be reached Monday. But according to Afghan associates, Mr. Karzai recently told lunch guests at the presidential palace that he believes the Americans are in Afghanistan because they want to dominate his country and the region, and that they pose an obstacle to striking a peace deal with the Taliban.
    During the recent American-dominated military offensive in the town of Marja — the largest of the war — Mr. Karzai stood mostly in the shadows.

    Indeed, the recent behavior by Mr. Karzai offers the latest illustration of the central dilemma that faces the Obama administration in Afghanistan: how to influence the actions of an ally who they increasingly regard as unreliable, without undermining America’s ultimate goals here.

    “We’re trying to find this balance of keeping pressure on him, without setting up bluffs that can be called,” said a senior official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the matter. “We’re coming to terms with dealing with the Karzai we have.”

    Perhaps the clearest example of the American dilemma is the graft in Mr. Karzai’s government. American officials have repeatedly pushed Mr. Karzai to clean up his government, as Mr. Obama stressed during his dinner with the Afghan leader. But Mr. Karzai has resisted all but the most feeble gestures.

    Iran is a neighbor of Afghanistan, and American officials say they do not object to the two countries discussing issues of mutual interest. “He can be close to us, have a cooperative bilateral relationship with us, and a good working relationship with his neighborhood,” a senior American official said.

    But the recent visit by Mr. Ahmadinejad seemed designed to generate as much attention as possible — including in Washington. With Mr. Karzai standing at his side in Kabul, Mr. Ahmadinejad accused the United States of promoting terrorism.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/wo...ef=todayspaper

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    Re: Shades of Ngo Dinh Diem

    Shades of Diem? So you think we could see an assassination of Karzai followed by an escalation of the War in Afghanistan?

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    • #3
      Re: Shades of Ngo Dinh Diem

      Originally posted by flintlock View Post
      Shades of Diem? So you think we could see an assassination of Karzai followed by an escalation of the War in Afghanistan?
      You can only push the Big Boss so far.

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        "Perhaps the clearest example of the American dilemma is the graft in Mr. Karzai’s government. American officials have repeatedly pushed Mr. Karzai to clean up his government, as Mr. Obama stressed during his dinner with the Afghan leader. But Mr. Karzai has resisted all but the most feeble gestures."

        Pot, meet Kettle!

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        • #5
          Re: Shades of Ngo Dinh Diem

          After reading this article it is clear that Karzai government is in over its head with the drug business and no obvious way is to be seen on the horizon at this time to deal with it.

          The Afghans need a better way to make a living, but the conditions are not there to make it happen.

          http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LD01Df02.html

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          • #6
            Re: Shades of Ngo Dinh Diem

            The Puppet cutting it's own strings ?


            AP Analysis: Karzai remarks risk US-Afghan rift

            By ROBERT H. REID (AP) – 19 minutes ago
            KABUL — President Hamid Karzai's startling threat to join the Taliban if foreigners don't stop meddling in Afghanistan and his strident criticism of the West's role in his country have worsened relations with Washington at a time when the U.S. military wants closer cooperation ahead of a potentially decisive offensive this summer.
            Karzai, who has been fuming for months about what he considers Washington's heavy hand, is gambling that blaming outsiders for the troubles in a society with a long tradition of resisting occupation will bolster his stature at home — while carrying little risk because the U.S. has no choice but to deal with the mercurial leader.
            Yet the strains are clear. They threaten President Barack Obama's strategy of working with a strong, reliable Afghan partner to turn back a resurgent Taliban.
            "Troubling" is how White House spokesman Robert Gibbs described reports Monday that Karzai threatened to abandon the political process and join the Taliban insurgency if the West keeps carping at him to reform his government.


            http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...9bjpwD9ET3VJG0

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            • #7
              Re: Shades of Ngo Dinh Diem

              The Diem coup was one of those critical events in the history of U.S. policy that could have altered our commitment. The choices were there: (1) continue to plod along in a limited fashion with Diem--despite his and Nhu's growing unpopularity; (2) encourage or tacitly support the overthrow of Diem, taking the risk that the GVN might crumble and/or accommodate to the VC; and (3) grasp the opportunity--with the obvious risks--of the political instability in South Vietnam to disengage. The first option was rejected because of the belief that we could not win with Diem-Nhu. The third was very seriously considered a policy alternative because of the assumption that an independent, non-communist SVN was too important a strategic interest to abandon-and because the situation was not sufficiently drastic to call into question so basic an assumption. The second course was chosen mainly for the reasons the first was rejected-Vietnam was thought too important; we wanted to win; and the rebellious generals seemed to offer that prospect.

              The Pentagon Papers

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              • #8
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                US-Afghan relations sink further as Hamid Karzai accused of drug abuse

                The war of words between the former deputy head of the UN mission to Afghanistan and the country's president escalated last night when Peter Galbraith suggested that Hamid Karzai's "mental stability" was in question and that he has a substance abuse problem.

                Galbraith, the US diplomat who worked for the UN in Kabul until last year, made his remarks live on US television. His comments come as the White House considers withdrawing an invitation for Karzai to meet Barack Obama in Washington next month.

                Galbraith, the former UN deputy special representative in Afghanistan, was responding to allegations first made by Karzai last Thursday that the international community and Galbraith in particular had been responsible for "massive fraud" during last year's disastrous presidential election.

                "He's prone to tirades, he can be very emotional, act impulsively," Galbraith said on MSNBC television. "In fact some of the palace insiders say that he has a certain fondness for some of Afghanistan's most profitable exports."

                When asked whether he was saying Karzai had a substance abuse problem, Galbraith said there were "reports to that effect".


                http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ubstance-abuse


                Is the table being set ;)

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                • #9
                  Re: Shades of Ngo Dinh Diem

                  Originally posted by don View Post
                  Is the table being set ;)
                  You don't think someone might put a bomb near his favorite diving spot concealed in a conch shell?

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