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  • No income? no problem. We're here to spend for you. State spending 50% of UK economy.

    I'm an (employed) Englishman, get me out of here!

    The UK is toast. Mega will be pleased...

    Budget 2010: Relentless march of state spending

    Government spending accounts for more than half of the economy for the first time on record after substantial public sector growth under Labour.



    Official figures before the Budget on Wednesday disclose that public spending makes up 52 per cent of the gross domestic product.


    When Labour came to power in 1997, the state’s share was 40 per cent. However, it has risen steeply over 13 years in which Government spending and the size of the public sector workforce have increased significantly, paid for by higher taxes.


    At the same time, industry and private commerce have suffered in the recession. The figures from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) disclose that central and local government spending made up 52.1 per cent of Britain’s GDP last year.

    The OECD forecast that this proportion would continue to rise over the next two years as more Britons became reliant on the welfare state.
    Only a few developed countries, such as France and Sweden, now have a higher rate of public spending.

    The figures mark an important turning point for Britain, which historically has prided itself on being a nation of private enterprise and endeavour.
    They do not include the costs of part-nationalising failing banks — which could push the levels close to that of communist countries.

    Henrik Braconier, who studies Britain for the OECD, said the figures “definitely” signified that something was wrong in the economy.
    “This won’t go away by itself,” he said. “There need to be cuts in expenditure or rises in tax to balance this situation over the longer term.”
    New analysis released yesterday showed that Britain already has the highest income tax rates in the G8 group of the world’s biggest economies. Overall, the average Briton now pays twice as much tax as when Labour came to power.

    Despite this, the country is facing a record public deficit estimated at more than £150 billion.

    The OECD figures will intensify the pressure on Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, to cut public spending.

    Philip Hammond, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, said last night: “We can’t afford five more years of Gordon Brown’s waste.
    “While most other OECD countries managed to reduce public spending as a share of the economy while improving services, Gordon Brown has now left us with the biggest deficit in the developed world. The choice at this election is between the Conservatives’ pledge to raise the private sector’s share of the economy in every region; and five more years of Labour’s debt-driven model.”

    Although Mr Darling insisted in an interview yesterday that there would be “no giveaways” on Wednesday, promising a “sensible, workmanlike” Budget, any significant cuts are unlikely.

    The votes of civil servants and other public sector workers could be decisive in the forthcoming election.

    Britons will face a series of tax rises to fund new projects. The new 50p rate of tax for high-earners will be introduced next month. Next year National Insurance will also increase. [No representation, just taxation].

    However, there are growing calls for proposed increases in fuel duty and alcohol taxes to be delayed or scrapped. Discussions over freezing fuel duty are continuing.

    The Conservatives pledged that their manifesto would include a commitment to increase the private sector’s share of the economy.
    The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development provides detailed statistics about the economies of 30 leading countries.
    The OECD assessment of government expenditure at 52.1 per cent of GDP was up from 47.5 per cent the previous year.

    This is the highest proportion since its figures began in 1970. The previous record high was 49.4 per cent in 1981 as Britain recovered from near bankruptcy in the 1970s.

    Government spending accounts for just 40.9 per cent of GDP in America.
    The OECD estimates that the proportion will remain above half, with state spending predicted to rise to 53.4 per cent of the economy this year and 53.2 per cent in 2011.

    Ben Williamson, an economist at the Centre for Economics and Business Research, a City think tank, said: “It [state spending] is unsustainable now that income levels from the City have collapsed. It should have been tackled before the recession but now that has pushed it into a crisis.”
    Last week, Lord Mandelson, the Business Secretary, apparently broke ranks within the Cabinet to suggest that tax rises may be necessary in addition to spending cuts.

    Mr Darling yesterday ruled out a rise in Vat but refused to be drawn on other tax rises.

    The CBI, which represents businesses, will today warn that the British economic recovery will be sluggish and is unlikely to pick up “much pace” until mid-2011.


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    Re: No income? no problem. We're here to spend for you. State spending 50% of UK economy.

    They do not include the costs of part-nationalising failing banks

    and how much did they extract from you real Britons to pay for the goverment's role in Iraq and Afghanistan?

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    • #3
      Re: No income? no problem. We're here to spend for you. State spending 50% of UK economy.

      ..........and yet the £ will not DIE!
      Mike

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      • #4
        Re: No income? no problem. We're here to spend for you. State spending 50% of UK economy.

        Originally posted by Chris View Post
        I'm an (employed) Englishman, get me out of here!

        The UK is toast. Mega will be pleased...
        From the article:
        "...The figures mark an important turning point for Britain, which historically has prided itself on being a nation of private enterprise and endeavour..."
        This is a completely ridiculous statement. Brits haven't had any serious interest in private enterprise or endeavour since electing Atlee on a platform of nationalizing "everything".

        Telecommunications, coal, railways, electricity...the whole lot was nationalised before the '40s were out, and the country is still living with the effects of that legacy.

        Now granted, some of this stuff was run like crap by the private sector management...but the idea that there's some sort of historic "capitalist" pride in the UK is utter nonsense...

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          Re: No income? no problem. We're here to spend for you. State spending 50% of UK economy.

          http://nelsonhaha.com/

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          • #6
            Re: No income? no problem. We're here to spend for you. State spending 50% of UK economy.

            Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
            From the article:
            "...The figures mark an important turning point for Britain, which historically has prided itself on being a nation of private enterprise and endeavour..."
            This is a completely ridiculous statement. Brits haven't had any serious interest in private enterprise or endeavour since electing Atlee on a platform of nationalizing "everything".

            Telecommunications, coal, railways, electricity...the whole lot was nationalised before the '40s were out, and the country is still living with the effects of that legacy.

            Now granted, some of this stuff was run like crap by the private sector management...but the idea that there's some sort of historic "capitalist" pride in the UK is utter nonsense...
            Amen to that brother.

            If you want to see an EU country with real enterprise and a ROBUST private sector, then look no further than Germany. Those Germans, supposedly a bunch of anti-capitalists and socialists, have far greater respect for genuine wealth creation than the cartoons running Britain.

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            • #7
              Re: No income? no problem. We're here to spend for you. State spending 50% of UK economy.

              The History of UK Private Enterprise Is Simply Repeating Itself:

              [MEDIA][/MEDIA]

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              • #8
                Re: No income? no problem. We're here to spend for you. State spending 50% of UK economy.

                Originally posted by hayekvindicated View Post
                Amen to that brother.

                If you want to see an EU country with real enterprise and a ROBUST private sector, then look no further than Germany. Those Germans, supposedly a bunch of anti-capitalists and socialists, have far greater respect for genuine wealth creation than the cartoons running Britain.
                I have a number of business associates that in turn have active business partnerships with German companies in a variety of sectors. What I have learned from them is that Germany has a rather high concentration of family-owned firms [private] or family-controlled firms[listed].

                I'd bet that has some effect on the management culture of the nation compared to the stock-option charged, incestuous Boards, asleep at the wheel security regulators [let's go after a really big fish...like Martha Stewart :rolleyes:], management-rules-and-the-shareholders-can-go-scrzw-themselves, what corporate governance?, world we have.

                It also goes a long way to explaining Germany's particularly acute concerns [pre-financial crisis] about "private equity", LBOs, and sovereign wealth fund accountability...conservatively managed firms with decent balance sheets and large cash reserves and hence low leverage are particularly vulnerable targets for these folks.

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                • #9
                  Re: No income? no problem. We're here to spend for you. State spending 50% of UK economy.

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  I have a number of business associates that in turn have active business partnerships with German companies in a variety of sectors. What I have learned from them is that Germany has a rather high concentration of family-owned firms [private] or family-controlled firms[listed].
                  I'm sure that has quite an effect, just as owning a home you will treat it better than when renting. When you have a vested interest you will make sure to take care of it.

                  No doubt about it there is something in germany or their economy that allows them to somehow be relatively more successful in a globalized world than other western nations. I have also thought maybe they are a black swan in the world, when you look through history governments that interfere and try to "command" the economy lead to both the economy and government to fail.

                  I am sure many have heard the saying "sooner than later" maybe the german economy is going to hit its bumps and troubles "later then sooner".

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                    Re: No income? no problem. We're here to spend for you. State spending 50% of UK economy.

                    [quote=chr5648;153910]I'm sure that has quite an effect, just as owning a home you will treat it better than when renting. When you have a vested interest you will make sure to take care of it.

                    No doubt about it there is something in germany or their economy that allows them to somehow be relatively more successful in a globalized world than other western nations. quote]

                    A key factor with Germany is traditionally it has had strong anti-monopoly laws. This means that smaller companies are able to compete more fairly and prevents the rash of debt-ridden takeovers that occur in the US and UK. Competition has been stifled in the UK and US by spineless bought off regulators.

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                    • #11
                      Re: No income? no problem. We're here to spend for you. State spending 50% of UK economy.

                      [QUOTE=llanlad2;153917]
                      Originally posted by chr5648 View Post
                      I'm sure that has quite an effect, just as owning a home you will treat it better than when renting. When you have a vested interest you will make sure to take care of it.

                      No doubt about it there is something in germany or their economy that allows them to somehow be relatively more successful in a globalized world than other western nations. quote]

                      A key factor with Germany is traditionally it has had strong anti-monopoly laws. This means that smaller companies are able to compete more fairly and prevents the rash of debt-ridden takeovers that occur in the US and UK. Competition has been stifled in the UK and US by spineless bought off regulators.
                      One could start from an even more basic level - the German respect for sound money. Monetary "wizardry" was never very popular in Germany. In the early fifties, Germany was growing at 20 odd percent a year with almost no inflation (the architect of this was Ludwig Erhard). Right about the same time, The Brits were merrily experimenting with Keynesian command control economics that basically destroyed Britain (one could say permanently).

                      We still get the same stupid arguments re-hashed by the great British "economists ": cutting spending will "endanger the recovery"!???! The more the pound devalues the better it is for British "exports" (never mind that the trade gap gets wider and wider, the lower the Pound goes). Also never mentioned is that The Germans built their export/industrial juggernaut on the back of the strongest currency in the post-war world, the Deutschmark.

                      Keynes will continue to exercise control over British "intellectuals" like an African witch doctor that keeps killing patients but keeps getting more patients to kill.

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                      • #12
                        Re: No income? no problem. We're here to spend for you. State spending 50% of UK economy.

                        [quote=hayekvindicated;153994]
                        Originally posted by llanlad2 View Post

                        One could start from an even more basic level - the German respect for sound money. Monetary "wizardry" was never very popular in Germany. In the early fifties, Germany was growing at 20 odd percent a year with almost no inflation (the architect of this was Ludwig Erhard). Right about the same time, The Brits were merrily experimenting with Keynesian command control economics that basically destroyed Britain (one could say permanently).

                        We still get the same stupid arguments re-hashed by the great British "economists ": cutting spending will "endanger the recovery"!???! The more the pound devalues the better it is for British "exports" (never mind that the trade gap gets wider and wider, the lower the Pound goes). Also never mentioned is that The Germans built their export/industrial juggernaut on the back of the strongest currency in the post-war world, the Deutschmark.

                        Keynes will continue to exercise control over British "intellectuals" like an African witch doctor that keeps killing patients but keeps getting more patients to kill.
                        That's because socialists love Keynes and that, i'm afraid, is the type of country we have become.

                        The UK budget is today - though you could have guessed the contents last week - tax rises, soak the rich, more money for government, destroy the private sector even more.

                        In other news, Fitch downgraded Portugal. When will they downgrade the UK?

                        A currency crisis looks like the only way to get the sleeping sheeple to get rid of this awful government. Oh Fitch, why must you tantilize us in this way? Let's not postpone the agony any longer and get the show on the road.

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