Iran

[Starving Steve]

Re: Iran

Nothing would more solidly establish support for Iran's government by its citizens than a U.S. attack on its nuclear facilities. This would be a blunder comparable to the Iraq WMD fiasco.

Chemical Ali was a real person, Sodamn Insane's right-hand man when it came to chemical weaponry. Iraq was working on poison gases and actually used poison gas against its own people. Ever hear of the Kurds, or don't they discuss the suffering of the Kurds on college campuses these days? :rolleyes:

And anyone who tells you that the Iraq War was a failure should now look at the peace in Egypt, in Isreal, in Lebonon, in Jordan, in Syria, in Kuwait, in Qatar, and in Saudi-Arabia. Over all, President Bush Sr. did a pretty darn good job with his Iraq War. "Nothing succeeds like success," and history treats victors well.

Too bad that Bush Sr. didn't go on and liberate Iran. That liberation would have only taken one day more in the war effort.

When I see the appeasers in the UK, on the BBC, and also on college campuses in America and Canada, I think of the mass executions last May, June, and July in Tehran. So no wonder the people of Iran would unite behind the regime; the entire opposition to the regime in Tehran was summarily executed last year.

[DToM67]

Re: Iran

...I would first like to see Israel commit a 30K troops to the wars in AF-Pak/Iraq ... before i (as a US taxpayer) would even consider any further diplomatic or financial alignment to Israel.

Wow. That's a strategy I've never heard before.

This is an interesting strategy. And one might wonder why its not been aired to this point by anyone.... even the likes of Alex Jones.

Would seem reasonable that Israel should commit expertise, bodies, hardware and treasure to such near and dear causes.

[Starving Steve]

Re: Iran

This is an interesting strategy. And one might wonder why its not been aired to this point by anyone.... even the likes of Alex Jones.

Would seem reasonable that Israel should commit expertise, bodies, hardware and treasure to such near and dear causes.

If Isreal commits heavily into the Afganistan or Pakistan effort, the Islamists would have cause to claim that the effort is by Isreal to push-back Islam. So, whatever Isreal does, it can not win the propaganda campaign against it by the radical-Islamists and their anti-semetic allies worldwide.

I think this is pretty obvious to everyone, but for the kids who might be reading this, it may not be patently obvious. So now I have explained what is going on to them so that they might be able to comprehend what most adults here already know. In other words, Isreal has to keep a low profile in this war effort.

[DToM67]

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Chemical Ali was a real person, Sodamn Insane's right-hand man when it came to chemical weaponry. Iraq was working on poison gases and actually used poison gas against its own people. Ever hear of the Kurds, or don't they discuss the suffering of the Kurds on college campuses these days? :rolleyes:

And anyone who tells you that the Iraq War was a failure should now look at the peace in Egypt, in Isreal, in Lebonon, in Jordan, in Syria, in Kuwait, in Qatar, and in Saudi-Arabia. Over all, President Bush Sr. did a pretty darn good job with his Iraq War. "Nothing succeeds like success," and history treats victors well.

Too bad that Bush Sr. didn't go on and liberate Iran. That liberation would have only taken one day more in the war effort.

Ali was real eh? When did you meet him? What was he like? You didn't? Oh...

So... you know he existed & did everything he did because... the media told you so. And they of course, never misreport, or EGADS fabricate stories... oh say like Kuwaiti babies being pulled from incubators by Iraqi soldiers... or yellow-cake uranium or aluminum tubes, or rolling WMD factories inside tractor trailers :rolleyes:

The media always have good info./intel... Hell, each and every day they continue to report the TRUTH about our financial/credit markets!

For all you know or could dis/prove Ali might not have existed. Just another boogie-man story, along with Osama bin-dead-for-a-long-time. Brought to you by the good folks @ the CIA. Yeah... the very same folks who brought you MKULTRA, Political assassination, foreign election interference (nation building), drug smuggling, financial support, training, equipping and providing intelligence to "freedom fighters" (now commonly known as Al-Queda)... and and more recently extraordinary rendition & torture.

Why would anyone doubt the veracity of what you claim to be true?:rolleyes:

I guess you could say: Mission Accomplished!

[flintlock]

Re: Iran

I don't recall any "hate" towards Lukester either. I miss him.

[flintlock]

Re: Iran

You can't send Israeli troops into a Muslim state and expect it become anything but a disaster. We are supposedly trying to work WITH the local governments. :rolleyes: No way they'd allow this.

[D-Mack]

Re: Iran

You can't send Israeli troops into a Muslim state and expect it become anything but a disaster. We are supposedly trying to work WITH the local governments. :rolleyes: No way they'd allow this.

I don't mind being invaded

[DToM67]

Re: Iran

You can't send Israeli troops into a Muslim state and expect it become anything but a disaster. We are supposedly trying to work WITH the local governments. :rolleyes: No way they'd allow this.

I don't think anyone said send the Jews into the mouth of the lion.;)

The current strategy: Israel appearing to be so far removed, yet involved doesn't help either. It creates opportunity for myths & lies - Israel, behind the scenes, pulling the strings of the big American puppet.

[flintlock]

Re: Iran

I don't think anyone said send the Jews into the mouth of the lion.;)

The current strategy: Israel appearing to be so far removed, yet involved doesn't help either. It creates opportunity for myths & lies - Israel, behind the scenes, pulling the strings of the big American puppet.

Then what did this mean?

In the meanwhile -our so-called 'bestest' ally in the middle east -has sent less troops than Georgia (for all its bellowing over its 'expertise'. I would first like to see Israel commit a 30K troops to the wars in AF-Pak/Iraq for a start and throw in a couple of hundred million in aid to US soldiers before i (as a US taxpayer) would even consider any further diplomatic or financial alignment to Israel.

[flintlock]

Re: Iran

I don't mind being invaded

I surrender!!

[Starving Steve]

Re: Iran

Ali was real eh? When did you meet him? What was he like? You didn't? Oh...

So... you know he existed & did everything he did because... the media told you so. And they of course, never misreport, or EGADS fabricate stories... oh say like Kuwaiti babies being pulled from incubators by Iraqi soldiers... or yellow-cake uranium or aluminum tubes, or rolling WMD factories inside tractor trailers :rolleyes:

The media always have good info./intel... Hell, each and every day they continue to report the TRUTH about our financial/credit markets!

For all you know or could dis/prove Ali might not have existed. Just another boogie-man story, along with Osama bin-dead-for-a-long-time. Brought to you by the good folks @ the CIA. Yeah... the very same folks who brought you MKULTRA, Political assassination, foreign election interference (nation building), drug smuggling, financial support, training, equipping and providing intelligence to "freedom fighters" (now commonly known as Al-Queda)... and and more recently extraordinary rendition & torture.

Why would anyone doubt the veracity of what you claim to be true?:rolleyes:

I guess you could say: Mission Accomplished!

Chemical Ali was Ali Magid Huessin, cousin of So Damn Insane. Chemical Ali poisoned 5000 Kurds in Iraq in 1988.

Chemical Ali was convicted in an Iraqi court and received four death sentences. He was hung on or about Jan 25, 2010, just a few weeks ago.

[D-Mack]

Re: Iran

[DToM67]

Re: Iran

Then what did this mean?

Don't you mean this:

...Would seem reasonable that Israel should commit expertise, bodies, hardware and treasure to such near and dear causes.

It means exactly what it reads like. And "bodies" could be in the air, at sea, or elsewhere. They needn't be so called "boots on the ground". Though I am certain troops could be employed selectively as well.

[flintlock]

Re: Iran

Noooooo. I meant the quote I showed, not referring to anything you wrote. It advocated Israel sending troops to " help out" in Iraq and Afghanistan. Which shows the author has a complete lack of understanding of the politics of that area. If someone thinks the Iraq or Afghanistan governments would so much as allow a Israeli military cleaning crew into their country they are, with all due respect, crazy.

The US needs to get the f#%k out of the Middle East and that's really all there is to it.

[LargoWinch]

Re: Iran

The cynical part is that the only way for Iran to prevent the military form of imperial US politics affecting them is exactly to develop a nuclear deterrent.

So they need to get bombed because they don't want to get bombed in the first place? Sounds like a loop of some sorts.

FrankL; that is a very good point.

McNamara indicated that only a few nukes in Cuba was enough for the entire US [by US here I mean "US and its allies", currently referred to as NATO, which includes Canada], to be "deterred".

The point is: no country with a few nuclear weapons and delivery system can be worth the risk of attacking.