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  • A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

    I’ve been doing some homework lately and looking for something over-valued or under-valued kind of thing and came across this bit of a gem. Unfortunately I’m in the process of buying something else or I’d be inclined to short the crap out of this stock with my own money. I don’t recall seeing anything this overbought for a long, long, time, to the point of mania from the look of the chart. The hype being thrown around for this stock is really amazing as well and it looks to me like the set-up is in place for some major, major, major disappointment. With just a little homework it’s pretty easy to see what’s about to happen, someone big and large is about to get out of their niche and get their teeth kicked in, by mobsters who are even bigger and larger and have real life experience in the market niche that this player is getting into.


    I’d say Apple Computer is about to get cored, sliced up into tiny little bits and bytes. I’d say Apple should have taken the hint that trying to come out with a cell phone was going to be a problem when everyone wanted to sue them just from the name Apple picked out, the I-Phone. Apple should have stuck with their core competency and stuck with computers and I-pods, but unfortunately Apple is going to learn a little lesson involving over-reach. I actually know a thing or two about cell phones having helped several companies with designs and having manufactured several components that go into the phones. What Apple is shooting for is a losing proposition from the get go a 1% market share gets you nothing, zero in way of economy of scale and more headache for the d0llar than you can ever imagine. Admitting you are shooting for a 1% consumer market share is pure insanity by anyone’s standards.


    Apple also decided as a technology company to disregard tech and go backwards four or five years, Apple decided to operate this phone using GSM instead of CDMA which is kind of like being a tech company and coming out with a new typewriter. No way that the video Jobs is promising going to come through with GSM, this is a con-Job, and a set-up for some serious Pump and Dump for the stock. The phone promises e-mail features yet no Outlook compatibility, kind of like selling cars with no engines. Who the hell wants a sloooooow almost dial-up like internet connection? That’s bullshit and why do these Apple geeks think anyone wants to operate a phone with two hands? You need two hands for this half MP3 player, half internet slow access port, and complete piece of shit. phone so how do you drive your car or drink a cup of coffee at the same time you’re using this phone? You can’t. The I-Phone only has four gigs or eight gigs of flashdrive, not much in the way of memory and hardly any video or song memory for the real users. Battery life for the phone sucks as well, not much fun to play when the batteries are dead. Finally the price of this phone is $400 to $500 in a marketplace that has grown accustomed to free phones or very cheap phones, especially for two year deals. Not much incentive to purchase except for the hype of the very expensive ads we'll be blasted with.

    The wiz kids at Apple have decided to screw-up their own distribution outlets by offering these phones at their Apple Stores. I guarantee you that phones, I-Pods and computers don’t mix. Apple Stores are packed with shoppers buying $4K Macs and $300 I-pods, I’d bet if you bring the idiot cell phone buyers into these stores that’s going to piss-off Apples loyal customer base. To top it off Apple chose AT&T Cingular to be the exclusive phone provider of the I-Phone and that’s unfortunate because Cingular is the absolute worse cell phone provider.

    To top it off Apple decided to delay much needed Mac computer upgrades because engineers were needed for the launch of this new phone. Apple is about to find out that these engineers are going to be continually needed as this phone gets released.





    This is about as crazy a chart as I’ve ever seen, mania can last for a while but I’d say sometime at the end of this month after Apple has launched the I-Phone and the I-Phone has clearly returned to earth, Apple is going to be one of the best shorts you’ll ever find as it returns to about $85 a share. Hopefully I can free up some cash in my trading account and join you. Good luck.
    Last edited by Tet; June 05, 2007, 10:58 PM.
    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
    - Charles Mackay

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    Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

    MY GOD........What a SHOCK!
    Somebody who is willing to tell you its time to SELL!..............A 1ST i think!
    Cheers
    Mike

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    • #3
      Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

      The problem, Tet, is that apple has delivered in the past few quarters, and while their shares may be overvalued, you are saying they are overvalued by about 44%. To me that's not a screaming short candidate, especially what if their ipod sales rise again (as they've continued to do so for the past few years), and they beat estimates again? And apple is now, what, the 3rd or 5th bigges music retailer in the world through itunes?

      Now I'm not saying that AAPL is a buy. But for comparison, look at a chart for HANS. (Btw, I'd like to know what people use to get charts in blogs and on these boards, cuz I can't figure out how to do it.) Anyway, you'll see with Hansen about a 10 bagger in a matter of 3+ years, and then it pulled back and now is going up again. It's a case more of a stock getting ahead of itself as opposed to being horrendously overvalued.

      To me, overvalued is NEWC.pk, trading at 44 cents/share. These shares are not even worth the digital bytes they take up on the computers that record them. I would say these are infinitely overvalued as their true worth is absolute zero.

      In any case, yes, apple probably is overvalued by about 40% or so. But are you going to short a company with the kind of growth they have? Plus, their PEG ratio is also pretty much healthy, not insanely overvalued either.

      Then again you are talking to a guy that bought a stock when it's P/E was around 60, and who has made about a 75% return on said stock (and this was after said stock had already run up 200% from ipo. Name of that stock? Google). Shorting companies with high growth rates, even huge ones like Apple, is a game I'm definitely not willing to play. Much easier to short homebuilders when they pop up to stupid levels on the dumbest news.

      If i was an apple shareholder, i would certainly be thinking about locking in gains. I have been considering selling my Google shares at some point too, but right now I'm still holding. However, outright shorting? I'm not touching that with a ten-foot pole.

      Best of luck Tet; I have apple on my watch list so i'll be keeping tabs on it.

      Incidentally, I'm wondering what you are buying. I don't see anything in the equities arena anyway that is worth buying. (Holding, yes, but not buying.)

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      • #4
        Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

        Originally posted by DemonD View Post
        The problem, Tet, is that apple has delivered in the past few quarters, and while their shares may be overvalued, you are saying they are overvalued by about 44%. To me that's not a screaming short candidate, especially what if their ipod sales rise again (as they've continued to do so for the past few years), and they beat estimates again? And apple is now, what, the 3rd or 5th bigges music retailer in the world through itunes?
        Always make sure you dance with the girl you took to the dance. This I-Phone release looks like Apple forgot to dance with their I-Pods and Macs. It will be interesting to see what this I-Phone does to Apple computer and MP3 sales.

        Now I'm not saying that AAPL is a buy. But for comparison, look at a chart for HANS. (Btw, I'd like to know what people use to get charts in blogs and on these boards, cuz I can't figure out how to do it.) Anyway, you'll see with Hansen about a 10 bagger in a matter of 3+ years, and then it pulled back and now is going up again. It's a case more of a stock getting ahead of itself as opposed to being horrendously overvalued.
        I use image shack to post charts.
        http://www.imageshack.us/


        In any case, yes, apple probably is overvalued by about 40% or so. But are you going to short a company with the kind of growth they have? Plus, their PEG ratio is also pretty much healthy, not insanely overvalued either.

        Then again you are talking to a guy that bought a stock when it's P/E was around 60, and who has made about a 75% return on said stock (and this was after said stock had already run up 200% from ipo. Name of that stock? Google). Shorting companies with high growth rates, even huge ones like Apple, is a game I'm definitely not willing to play. Much easier to short homebuilders when they pop up to stupid levels on the dumbest news.
        Apple has a relatively healthy PE of about 38 which for tech is or can be still pretty low. I just don't see Apple getting the growth Apple has to maintain coming from this shitty phone, lots of better phones out there. Like Buffett says, the chances of the US economy growing 15% per year forever is zero. The same can be said about Apple maintaining it's growth, could be Jobs saw Apple couldn't maintain the growth either so they made up this little phone story to jack the stock, which it certainly has been doing. Wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong regarding Apple, I thought they had a double top going about a year and a half ago that didn't play out either.

        If i was an apple shareholder, i would certainly be thinking about locking in gains. I have been considering selling my Google shares at some point too, but right now I'm still holding. However, outright shorting? I'm not touching that with a ten-foot pole.
        I would like you'd have to lock gains here or in the next few weeks.

        Best of luck Tet; I have apple on my watch list so i'll be keeping tabs on it.

        Incidentally, I'm wondering what you are buying. I don't see anything in the equities arena anyway that is worth buying. (Holding, yes, but not buying.)
        Thanks, I'll hype what I bought on a different thread coming soon.
        "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
        - Charles Mackay

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        • #5
          Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

          Originally posted by Mega View Post
          MY GOD........What a SHOCK!
          Somebody who is willing to tell you its time to SELL!..............A 1ST i think!
          Cheers
          Mike
          Sorry I don't believe I said sell either, but I would have my finger on the trigger. Wouldn't shock me to see Apple gain another 10% here for the very short term. Mania is a hard chart to read, those getting out are going to drive this stock higher for a while until it becomes clear there's not many chairs left the next time the music stops. Stock already hit another 52-week high today, Apple's got seven consecutive weekly gains, one of those gains for 10%. I wouldn't be shocked to see this stock selling at $135, MarketWatch is hyping Apple today and it's holding up pretty well for such a down day. This should be a fun one to watch.
          "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
          - Charles Mackay

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          • #6
            Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

            Sorry TET
            Am not trying to be nasty or anything, your the 1ST guy to even hint at selling a stock. I read tips in news papers for YEARS that tell you to buy, but very very tell you to sell.

            Mega

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            • #7
              Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

              Sorry, all a matter of timing, Apple is up another 2.5% today, I'd say the insiders are taking this opportunity to be outsiders. I think it would be wise for Apple investors to think back and contemplate such other Apple wonders as the Apple III, which was a bomb, as Apple tried to enter the business market with no software or a computer that worked, the Lisa, which was a bomb and a personal Steve Jobs project named after his daughter, the Apple IIc which was Apple's notebook bomb, whatever happened to the Newton? oh that's right it bombed as well. I think Jobs should change the name of this phone to the I-Bomb. For the moment maybe he should just call it the I-Pump&Dump because that's the real reason this phone is being introduced.
              "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
              - Charles Mackay

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              • #8
                Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

                One interesting (what I call a glitch) thing to think about with this new I-phone; you need to connect a cable to load music on it.

                Sprint phones do the same thing wirelessly!

                If Sprint is smart they will hype this difference between their phones and Apple's new phone

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                • #9
                  Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

                  Is it just me or does Apple on the cover of the Economist conJob just scream top or what?



                  Also had some anal ysis hyping Apple and this shitty phone to $160 today. This is 24/7 hype all the time, going to be fun watching them pull the rug out from this POS.
                  "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
                  - Charles Mackay

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                  • #10
                    Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

                    Everything is a CON or a lie, everything!
                    Turkey has thousands of troops pouring across into Iraq, but does the British MSM have the story?.............NO!

                    They are too focused on "Big Brother"......and who been thrown out of the house!.................With in the next 12-18 Months LOTS of People will get thrown out of alsorts of Houses!

                    I just can't fathom where the truth has gone?
                    Mike

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                    • #11
                      Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

                      Tet, looks like someone seems to agree with you, John Dvorak in a column on Marketwatch.

                      If you follow the rules and sell on good news and buy on the bad, now would be time to short Apple Inc. There is no company out there with this much good news.
                      So here is the latest I've heard, and it comes from yet another industry insider. I got a call last night. "I think it's time to sell Apple short," said the voice.
                      But maybe you're the mysterious industry insider... :eek:
                      Last edited by zoog; June 07, 2007, 04:07 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

                        Te other thing to remember is his stuff is NOT cheap, Great in a market filled with cheap credit, but as the ass falls out of the market where is that going to leave Jobs + Apple...........Very quicky old news.
                        Mike

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                        • #13
                          Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

                          Its amazing how these iPods keep selling, I thought for sure people would stop buying them years ago....

                          But Apple seems to come out with endless variations/new versions, and now they are partnering up with the likes of Nike, etc.

                          Fad stock??? -> they always end badly
                          ~Joe

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                          • #14
                            Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

                            Originally posted by TraderJoe View Post
                            Fad stock??? -> they always end badly
                            Amazing how many times Apple has been that Fad stock, my hat is off to them, but nobody grows 15% every single year, that eventually catches up to you. Blaming lack of growth on something other than computers or I-pods could work in Apple's longterm interests. It's much better for Apple to blame lack of growth on a phone, in a few years I'm sure Apple will be in on the next fad.
                            "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
                            - Charles Mackay

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                            • #15
                              Re: A Golden Boy Looks Set for a BIG Fall

                              Originally posted by Tet View Post
                              Amazing how many times Apple has been that Fad stock, my hat is off to them, but nobody grows 15% every single year, that eventually catches up to you. Blaming lack of growth on something other than computers or I-pods could work in Apple's longterm interests. It's much better for Apple to blame lack of growth on a phone, in a few years I'm sure Apple will be in on the next fad.
                              As long as we're on fad stocks - what about CROX - I'd hate to hijack this thread, where's an appropriate place to discuss that?


                              btw- I should have been buying puts instead of blabbering about it. AAPL dropped 4 points today :eek:
                              ~Joe

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