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    Rulings Restrict Clean Water Act, Foiling E.P.A.

    By CHARLES DUHIGG and JANET ROBERTS

    Thousands of the nation’s largest water polluters are outside the Clean Water Act’s reach because the Supreme Court has left uncertain which waterways are protected by that law, according to interviews with regulators.

    As a result, some businesses are declaring that the law no longer applies to them. And pollution rates are rising.

    Companies that have spilled oil, carcinogens and dangerous bacteria into lakes, rivers and other waters are not being prosecuted, according to Environmental Protection Agency regulators working on those cases, who estimate that more than 1,500 major pollution investigations have been discontinued or shelved in the last four years.

    The Clean Water Act was intended to end dangerous water pollution by regulating every major polluter. But today, regulators may be unable to prosecute as many as half of the nation’s largest known polluters because officials lack jurisdiction or because proving jurisdiction would be overwhelmingly difficult or time consuming, according to midlevel officials.
    “We are, in essence, shutting down our Clean Water programs in some states,” said Douglas F. Mundrick, an E.P.A. lawyer in Atlanta. “This is a huge step backward. When companies figure out the cops can’t operate, they start remembering how much cheaper it is to just dump stuff in a nearby creek.”

    “This is a huge deal,” James M. Tierney, the New York State assistant commissioner for water resources, said of the new constraints. “There are whole watersheds that feed into New York’s drinking water supply that are, as of now, unprotected.”

    The court rulings causing these problems focused on language in the Clean Water Act that limited it to “the discharge of pollutants into the navigable waters” of the United States. For decades, “navigable waters” was broadly interpreted by regulators to include many large wetlands and streams that connected to major rivers.

    But the two decisions suggested that waterways that are entirely within one state, creeks that sometimes go dry, and lakes unconnected to larger water systems may not be “navigable waters” and are therefore not covered by the act — even though pollution from such waterways can make its way into sources of drinking water.

    Some argue that such decisions help limit overreaching regulatory efforts.

    “There is no doubt in my mind that when Congress passed the Clean Water Act in 1972 they intended it to have broad regulatory reach, but they did not intend it to be unlimited,” said Don Parrish, the American Farm Bureau Federation’s senior director of regulatory relations, who has lobbied on Clean Water issues.

    But for E.P.A. and state regulators, the decisions have created widespread uncertainty. The court did not define which waterways are regulated, and judicial districts have interpreted the court’s decisions differently. As regulators have struggled to guess how various courts will rule, some E.P.A. lawyers have established unwritten internal guidelines to avoid cases in which proving jurisdiction is too difficult, according to interviews with more than two dozen current and former E.P.A. officials.

    The decisions “reduce E.P.A.’s ability to do what the law intends — to protect water quality, the environment and public health,” wrote Peter S. Silva, the E.P.A.’s assistant administrator for the Office of Water, in response to questions.

    About 117 million Americans get their drinking water from sources fed by waters that are vulnerable to exclusion from the Clean Water Act, according to E.P.A. reports.

    The E.P.A. said in a statement that it did not automatically concede that any significant water body was outside the authority of the Clean Water Act. “Jurisdictional determinations must be made on a case-by-case basis,” the agency wrote. Officials added that they believed that even many streams that go dry for long periods were within the act’s jurisdiction.

    But midlevel E.P.A. officials said that internal studies indicated that as many as 45 percent of major polluters might be either outside regulatory reach or in areas where proving jurisdiction is overwhelmingly difficult.

    And even in situations in which regulators believe they still have jurisdiction, companies have delayed cases for years by arguing that the ambiguity precludes prosecution. In some instances, regulators have simply dropped enforcement actions.

    In the last two years, some members of Congress have tried to limit the impact of the court decisions by introducing legislation known as the Clean Water Restoration Act. It has been approved by a Senate committee but not yet introduced this session in the House. The legislation tries to resolve these problems by, in part, removing the word “navigable” from the law and restoring regulators’ authority over all waters that were regulated before the Supreme Court decisions.

    But a broad coalition of industries has often successfully lobbied to prevent the full Congress from voting on such proposals by telling farmers and small-business owners that the new legislation would permit the government to regulate rain puddles and small ponds and layer new regulations on how they dispose of waste.

    “The game plan is to emphasize the scary possibilities,” said one member of the Waters Advocacy Coalition, which has fought the legislation and is supported by the American Farm Bureau Federation, the National Association of Home Builders and other groups representing industries affected by the Clean Water Act.

    “If you can get Glenn Beck to say that government storm troopers are going to invade your property, farmers in the Midwest will light up their congressmen’s switchboards,” said the coalition member, who asked not to be identified because he thought his descriptions would anger other coalition participants. Mr. Beck, a conservative commentator on Fox News, spoke at length against the Clean Water Restoration Act in December.

    The American Land Rights Association, another organization opposed to legislation, wrote last June that people should “Deluge your senators with calls, faxes and e-mails.” A news release the same month from the American Farm Bureau Federation warned that “even rainwater would be regulated.”

    “If you erase the word ‘navigable’ from the law, it erases any limitation on the federal government’s reach,” said Mr. Parrish of the American Farm Bureau Federation. “It could be a gutter, a roadside ditch or a rain puddle. But under the new law, the government gets control over it.”

    Legislators say these statements are misleading and intended to create panic.

    “These claims just aren’t true,” said Senator Benjamin L. Cardin, Democrat of Maryland. He helped push the bill through the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. “This bill,” he said, “is solely aimed at restoring the law to what it covered before the Supreme Court decisions.”

    The consequences of the Supreme Court decisions are stark. In drier states, some polluters say the act no longer applies to them and are therefore refusing to renew or apply for permits, making it impossible to monitor what they are dumping, say officials.

    Cannon Air Force Base near Clovis, N.M., for instance, recently informed E.P.A. officials that it no longer considered itself subject to the act. It dumps wastewater — containing bacteria and human sewage — into a lake on the base.

    More than 200 oil spill cases were delayed as of 2008, according to a memorandum written by an E.P.A. official and collected by Congressional investigators. And even as the number of facilities violating the Clean Water Act has steadily increased each year, E.P.A. judicial actions against major polluters have fallen by almost half since the Supreme Court rulings, according to an analysis of E.P.A. data by The New York Times.

    The Clean Water Act does not directly deal with drinking water. Rather, it was meant to regulate the polluters that contaminated the waterways that supplied many towns and cities with tap water.

    The two Supreme Court decisions at issue — Solid Waste Agency of Northern Cook County v. United States Army Corps of Engineers in 2001 and Rapanos v. United States in 2006 — focused on the federal government’s jurisdiction over various wetlands. In both cases, dissenting justices warned that limiting the power of the federal government would weaken its ability to combat water pollution.

    “Cases now are lost because the company is discharging into a stream that flows into a river, rather than the river itself,” said David M. Uhlmann, a law professor at the University of Michigan who led the environmental crimes section of the Justice Department during the last administration.

    In 2007, for instance, after a pipe manufacturer in Alabama, a division of McWane Inc., was convicted and fined millions of dollars for dumping oil, lead, zinc and other chemicals into a large creek, an appellate court overturned that conviction and fine, ruling that the Supreme Court precedent exempted the waterway from the Clean Water Act. The company eventually settled by agreeing to pay a smaller amount and submit to probation.

    Some E.P.A. officials say solutions beyond the Clean Water Restoration Act are available. They argue that the agency’s chief, Lisa P. Jackson, could issue regulations that seek to clarify jurisdiction of the Clean Water Act.

    Mrs. Jackson has urged Congress to resolve these issues. But she has not issued new regulations.

    “E.P.A., with our federal partners, emphasized to Congress in a May 2009 letter that legislation is the best way to restore the Clean Water Act’s effectiveness,” wrote Mr. Silva in a statement to The Times. “E.P.A. and the Army Corps of Engineers will continue to implement our water programs to protect the nation’s waters and the environment as effectively as possible, including consideration of administrative actions to restore the scope of waters protected under the Clean Water Act.”

    In the meantime, both state and federal regulators say they are prevented from protecting important waterways.

    “We need something to fix these gaps,” said Mr. Tierney, the New York official. “The Clean Water Act worked for over 30 years, and we’re at risk of losing that if we can’t get a new law.”







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    Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

    Cannon Air Force Base near Clovis, N.M., for instance, recently informed E.P.A. officials that it no longer considered itself subject to the act. It dumps wastewater — containing bacteria and human sewage — into a lake on the base.
    How nice.

    One thing the libertarians or anarchists have never been able to satisfactorily (imo) explain is how pollution is controlled by actors in the free market, with the absence of third-party regulation in the form of a government.

    Pollution after all is one of those very special crimes. The initial act might be committed on private property, but the effects spread far from it.

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    • #3
      Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

      Originally posted by babbittd View Post
      How nice.

      One thing the libertarians or anarchists have never been able to satisfactorily (imo) explain is how pollution is controlled by actors in the free market.....
      The concept is private property.

      In a nut shell:
      If I own land on a river and use the water to farm I'm motivated to keep that water clean. If a paper mill up the river is dumping chemicals that are reaching down stream then I should have a legal recourse top stop the destruction of my property.

      Course that is oversimplified and I'm sure you can responsd with "that doesn't work in situation X", which I would agree.

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        Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

        Libertarians or Anarcists? are you putting both in the same category because that would be retarded. Libertarians are practically 100% opposite of Anarcists.

        Libertarians consider pollution of the air, land, water, or watertables to be a violation of rights. Similar to how "free-market" does not mean "no laws" & "no regulation" but infact libertarians believe in the rule of law and very strong government protections when it comes to individual rights and property rights..

        "Property rights are entitled to the same protection as all other human rights. The owners of property have the full right to control, use, dispose of, or in any manner enjoy, their property without interference, until and unless the exercise of their control infringes the valid rights of others."

        "Government exists to protect the rights of every individual including life, liberty and property."

        Libertarians would do a much better job against corporate pollution than the current corporate bought GOP & DEMs criminals, hands-down.

        This country has been brainwashed by GOP fascists in that we should have no government, weak laws, no regulations, ... which are 100% in contradiction to democracy, liberty, personal freedom, human rights, and property rights ... which requires strong government protection of individual rights (where is a corporation NOT an individual and does NOT have the same rights)
        Last edited by MulaMan; March 02, 2010, 10:50 AM.

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        • #5
          Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

          If it were up to me, I would abolish the EPA. :rolleyes:

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            Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

            Originally posted by babbittd View Post
            How nice.

            One thing the libertarians or anarchists have never been able to satisfactorily (imo) explain is how pollution is controlled by actors in the free market, with the absence of third-party regulation in the form of a government.

            Pollution after all is one of those very special crimes. The initial act might be committed on private property, but the effects spread far from it.
            Carbon-dioxide that we breathe out, animals breathe-out, and plants breathe-in and require for photo-synthesis is: pollution??????????????????

            Salt is pollution??????????? Do we have to have the EPA's salt-police monitor our foods? Deer can't lick salt blocks because well, "salt is pollution"? No mind that studies on the dangers of salt-intake are based upon junk science and supposed links with heart disease; no link between salt-intake and heart disease has been proven.

            All living-things evolved from life in the sea, so wouldn't living-things be able to tolerate salt? All living-things evolved on Earth, a slightly radioactive planet, so wouldn't living-things be able to tolerate low-levels of radioactivity? Carbon-dioxide is 0.000450 of the Earth's atmosphere, so why would CO2 be deemed a pollutant?

            Taconite-tailings cause stomach cancer (per the EPA)? So why has no-one developed stomach cancer from taconite-tailings in the drinking-water pumped from Lake Superior?

            We can't have tar sand development in Alberta because of the CO2 foot-print? So up-graded oil from the tar sands can't be imported into the USA?

            We can't have fracking of shale rock because of the unknowns about ground-water? So oil and gas can't be taken from the Bakken Formation in Montana and North Dakota? Natural-gas can't be taken from Pennsylvania and New York state by fracking shales there, either?

            Sorry, but do we really need the environmental police? Do we really need the EPA?:confused:
            Last edited by Starving Steve; March 02, 2010, 01:24 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

              Originally posted by litfuse View Post
              The concept is private property.

              In a nut shell:
              If I own land on a river and use the water to farm I'm motivated to keep that water clean. If a paper mill up the river is dumping chemicals that are reaching down stream then I should have a legal recourse top stop the destruction of my property.

              Course that is oversimplified and I'm sure you can responsd with "that doesn't work in situation X", which I would agree.
              I understand the concept. What I want to know is does this work in reality, better than a system that includes an EPA.

              It seems the potential government response (whatever the EPA does - fines, etc.), despite being tied by way of the Federal Government to one of the biggest polluters (which is why I highlighted the part about the Air Force base), has a better track record at preventing pollution than what the anarchist solution has to offer.

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                Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

                Originally posted by MulaMan View Post
                Libertarians or Anarcists? are you putting both in the same category because that would be retarded. Libertarians are practically 100% opposite of Anarcists.
                the small l, libertarians used to be indistinguishable from the anarchists.

                Faux News phony conservatives are not small l, libertarians in any real sense, even if they have managed to co-opt the term after 9/11.

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                  Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

                  Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                  We can't have fracking of shale rock because of the unknowns about ground-water?
                  Groundwater "unknowns"? I'm stumped.

                  However.................
                  FRACS TRACKED USING MICROSEISMIC IMAGES

                  9/18/03-rev.12/17/08

                  AUTHORS:
                  S.C. Maxwell and T.I. Urbancic, ESG International, Kingston, Ontario, Canada.
                  N. Steinsberger, Devon Energy, Fort Worth, Texas and
                  R. Zinno, Schlumberger, Houston, Texas.

                  Hydraulic fracture geometries are difficult to predict. Even in environments with relatively simple fracture geometries, hydraulic fractures can grow asymmetrically, have variable confinement across geologic horizons, and change orientation. In naturally fractured reservoirs, such as the Barnett Shale, hydraulically created fracture patterns become amazingly complex as the injected slurry preferentially opens the pre-existing fracture network.

                  This excerpt is from Schlumberger's publication Oilfield Review Winter 2005/2006.
                  Article title: THE SOURCE FOR HYDRAULIC FRACTURE CHARACTERIZATION; p.46.

                  "While it is possible to have a good understanding of existing natural fracture systems, our ability to determine hydraulic fracture geometry and characteristics has been limited. Geologic discontinuities such as fractures and faults can dominate fracture geometry in a way that makes predicting hydraulic fracture behavior difficult. Clearly, the exploration and production (E&P) industry still has much to learn about hydraulic fractures."

                  Many pre-existing ground water sourced public water-supply municipalities are located within and around the Barnett field. A sh*tload of both public and private wells have recently tested showing sudden increases in certain constituents that do not naturally occur in ground water.

                  I am neither pro EPA nor anti oil/gas. I have however, grown extremely anti -Texas Railroad Commission (don't ask, don't tell) as well as anti - Texas Commision on Environmental Quality (call TRC).

                  We need to stop polluting the hell out of the Trinity Aquifer. Period.


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                  • #10
                    Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

                    pay attention mulaman, Glenn Beck is not a libertarian.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6C6E6ayh4U

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                      Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

                      Originally posted by MulaMan View Post
                      Libertarians or Anarcists? are you putting both in the same category because that would be retarded. Libertarians are practically 100% opposite of Anarcists.

                      Libertarians consider pollution of the air, land, water, or watertables to be a violation of rights. Similar to how "free-market" does not mean "no laws" & "no regulation" but infact libertarians believe in the rule of law and very strong government protections when it comes to individual rights and property rights..

                      "Property rights are entitled to the same protection as all other human rights. The owners of property have the full right to control, use, dispose of, or in any manner enjoy, their property without interference, until and unless the exercise of their control infringes the valid rights of others."

                      "Government exists to protect the rights of every individual including life, liberty and property."

                      Libertarians would do a much better job against corporate pollution than the current corporate bought GOP & DEMs criminals, hands-down.

                      This country has been brainwashed by GOP fascists in that we should have no government, weak laws, no regulations, ... which are 100% in contradiction to democracy, liberty, personal freedom, human rights, and property rights ... which requires strong government protection of individual rights (where is a corporation NOT an individual and does NOT have the same rights)
                      Nicely said, Mula. I could not agree more.

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                        Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

                        Originally posted by strittmatter View Post
                        Groundwater "unknowns"? I'm stumped.

                        However.................


                        Many pre-existing ground water sourced public water-supply municipalities are located within and around the Barnett field. A sh*tload of both public and private wells have recently tested showing sudden increases in certain constituents that do not naturally occur in ground water.

                        I am neither pro EPA nor anti oil/gas. I have however, grown extremely anti -Texas Railroad Commission (don't ask, don't tell) as well as anti - Texas Commision on Environmental Quality (call TRC).

                        We need to stop polluting the hell out of the Trinity Aquifer. Period.


                        Fracking shale thousands of feet below the surface of the Earth is likely to have zero affect upon ground-water supplies that are used for drinking. This is just common sense because water wells go down a few hundred feet, not thousands of feet beneath the surface of the Earth.

                        What scares me is how the EPA tries to stick its nose into absolutely everything, even things that are not even remotely related to the environment. And what scares me is the American courts that have let the EPA get away with this power-grab for decades; few judges have had the courage to speak-up and over-turn some of these outrageous legal precedents set by the EPA.

                        And when the EPA has legal precedent to regulate, then the state environmental agencies get high-handed too. This toxic process of over-regulation by government agencies has to be stopped, otherwise all development will be stopped in America. No wonder companies have shut-down in America and moved off-shore. It isn't just the taxation and the wage differentials; it is partly the high-handed over-regulation by government agencies regulating in the name of the environment and acting upon legal precedent set by EPA court cases.
                        Last edited by Starving Steve; March 02, 2010, 08:32 PM.

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                          Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

                          Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                          If it were up to me, I would abolish the EPA. :rolleyes:
                          Study: Weedkiller in waterways can change frogs' sex traits
                          By David A. Fahrenthold
                          Washington Post Staff Writer
                          Tuesday, March 2, 2010; A04


                          A new study has found that male frogs exposed to the herbicide atrazine -- one of the most common man-made chemicals found in U.S. waters -- can make a startling developmental U-turn, becoming so completely female that they can mate and lay viable eggs.
                          The study, published online Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, seems likely to add to the attention focused on a weedkiller that is widely used on cornfields. The Environmental Protection Agency, which re-approved the use of atrazine in 2006, has already begun a new evaluation of its potential health effects.
                          Its manufacturer, Swiss agri-business giant Syngenta, says research has proven that the chemical is safe for animals and for people, who could be exposed to trace amounts in drinking water.
                          But in recent years, a series of scientific studies have seemed to show atrazine interfering with the hormone systems that guide development in fish, birds, rats and frogs. In many cases, the result has been "feminized" males, with behaviors or body parts more like those of females.
                          The new study, led by Tyrone Hayes, a professor at the University of California at Berkeley, appeared to show an even more drastic transformation: Some male frogs became female, in everything but their genes.
                          Hayes's study examined a group of 40 African clawed frogs, all of which carried male chromosomes. When they were tadpoles, he put them in water tainted with 2.5 parts per billion of atrazine -- still within the EPA's drinking water standards.
                          About 10 percent of the frogs that developed in the water became "functionally female," Hayes said. The eggs they produced after mating hatched; the offspring were all male, because both parents contributed male genes.
                          The other 90 percent of the exposed frogs retained some male features, Hayes said, but often had lower testosterone levels and fertility. When competing for female frogs' attentions, atrazine-treated males frequently lost out to males that hadn't been treated.
                          Hayes said the problem could be that atrazine is absorbed through the frogs' skin and turns on a gene that, in male frogs, should stay off. It produces an enzyme that converts testosterone into estrogen, flooding the frog's body with the wrong chemical signals.
                          He said the findings should raise alarms about human health.
                          "It's a chemical . . . that causes hormone havoc," Hayes said. "You need to look at things that are affecting wildlife, and realize that, biologically, we're not that different."
                          Hayes's findings run counter to the EPA's most recent ruling on the subject, in 2007. After reviewing scientific evidence -- including earlier work by Hayes that seemed to indicate other troubling changes in frogs -- the EPA concluded that there was no evidence atrazine was causing adverse impacts on the amphibians' development.
                          On Monday, Syngenta officials said the EPA's finding should settle the issue.
                          "They were quite convinced that the question of whether atrazine affects frogs' sexual development is answered," said Tim Pastoor, Syngenta's principal scientist. "And that answer is no, it doesn't."
                          Syngenta officials referred a reporter to Keith Solomon, a professor at the University of Guelph in Canada, who said he had questions about Hayes's work. He said no other studies, including those on African clawed frogs living near atrazine-laden fields in Africa, found this level of effect.
                          Hayes's work may be "irrelevant in the big picture" because it hasn't been repeated elsewhere, Solomon said. He said he had received funding from Syngenta for previous research, but that it had not biased his work.
                          Atrazine, first approved in the United States in 1958, has been used to keep weeds from crowding out young corn plants as they grow. Studies show it has washed off farm fields with the rain, and become pervasive in U.S. streams.
                          In the Washington region, atrazine has been found in the Potomac, Monocacy and Shenandoah rivers, where investigators are trying to determine whether it is related to male bass in the Potomac found to be growing eggs.
                          On area farms, atrazine is an important tool of corn growers, said Lynne Hoot of the Maryland Grain Producers Association. But Hoot said atrazine is used less today: About 70 percent of corn and soybeans grown in the state are genetically designed to work better with the herbicide Roundup.
                          Atrazine is "still very important," she said.

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                            Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

                            Anyone ever heard of Rachel Carson? Read Silent Spring? Read the libraries of information on Dioxine, PCBs, Benzene? Guess not? lead Poisoning? Externalities if unintended -and that ma have been excused 70 years ago -but lets face facts -they know/knew and still do it. Because the externalties and eco-damage should by any self-respecting capitalist understands -necessarily has to pass to his consumers -who pay for the product umpteen times. First -when they buy it -and then when they have to clean up the mess.

                            There have been a ton of evidence of the numerous 'profitable' companies involved. Obviously 'profitability' necessarily means that you pass on both operating and externality cost onto the consumer. Somehow -this means not that your irresponsible, pathological , callous or lazy -but as many of you know -you get promoted!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Drink Up, Mateys!

                              Note to self:

                              Astrazine causes feminine characteristics in male frogs. Astrazine is in waterways around Washington, DC. Therefore, if I would drink water out of those waterways, I might develop female characteristics such as laying-eggs (ovulation).

                              Maybe Astrazine-polluted waterways might make me a female. That would get me affirmative action in the job market, plus sympathy of co-workers and my employer. That might solve my income problem.... And the five extra-years of life-span for being a female would be a nice bonus in this deal too.

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