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  • Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

    The president needed the gravitas of the former Fed chairman to sell his bank reform to Wall Street. But when the big banks didn't buy it, Obama sold him out.

    Barack Obama owes Paul Volcker a lot, but he apparently owes the fat cats on Wall Street even more. That’s the only reasonable conclusion that can be made from the president’s timely and, in some ways, bizarre about-face on the former Fed chairman’s plans to reform the financial industry and prevent another meltdown.

    As first reported by the New York Post, Volcker’s bank-reform idea—the one trotted out by the president with Volcker standing at his side just hours after Republican Scott Brown won Teddy Kennedy’s seat and vowed to help crush Obama’s economic agenda—has been nixed in favor of a watered-down version that bank chiefs like J.P. Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon and other Obama supporters on Wall Street are advocating.

    The Volcker Plan, as I have reported in The Daily Beast, certainly had its shortcomings; its main emphasis was to stop banks that are deemed Too Big to Fail from engaging in so-called proprietary trading, or engaging in risky trades with their own capital—the theory being that taxpayers would again have to bail out the banks if their bets turned sour, as they did in 2007 and 2008.

    The problem with the proposal was that proprietary trading wasn’t the major reason for all those big losses that led to the financial collapse and the taxpayer bailouts.

    Yet for all its drawbacks, at least the Volcker Plan was the start of a conversation about whether taxpayers should be forced to subsidize the risk-taking activities of Wall Street. That debate, as we know now, is over. Sources tell me a coalition of Wall Street heavyweights from Dimon to people like Larry Fink, the head of money-management powerhouse BlackRock—Obama supporters all—made their opposition to the plan well-known to the administration.

    The message was clear: Wall Street, which helped elect Barack Obama with an unprecedented support for a Democratic presidential candidate (Goldman Sachs was the second largest contributor to the president’s campaign), was ready to start backing the opposition of the so-called Volcker Rule. The bottom line: Even as Main Street struggles with severe unemployment, Wall Street still wants its billions in bonuses.

    And with that, Volcker, one of the nation’s great economists, was thrown under the bus. Of course, the administration is still pushing for “reform” of the banking system to prevent another meltdown, but by all accounts, the measures floated so far will do nothing more than force the firms to hold a little more capital if they want to roll the dice in the markets. The main thrust of what Volcker wanted to do and needs to be done—prevent the American taxpayer from ever again having to subsidized banks' risk taking—appears nowhere to be found.

    Of course, you don’t have to be a political junkie to understand why the president did a 180 on Volcker and his plan; already, Wall Street has begun to hedge its bets by supporting some Republicans, and it isn’t a good thing having someone as powerful as Jamie Dimon, a lifelong Democrat and Obama supporter, against you. (People close to Dimon say while he still supports the president, he’s also angered by some of his agenda.)

    Even so, there was something particularly smarmy about how the former Fed chairman was used. Volcker’s greatest achievement was defeating an economic calamity known as stagflation—the combination of high unemployment and high inflation—that scorched the American economy in the late 1970s, and threatened the country’s status as the world’s pre-eminent superpower.

    Volcker left the Fed in the mid-1980s and since then has been sounding the alarm bells on all those financial “innovations” that blew up in 2008 and still haunt the banking system. He hated one of the greatest of these “innovations”: the creation of the financial supermarket model of banking that combined risk-taking trading activities with federally insured deposits. If Volcker had his way, there would have been no Citigroup, one of the most costly of the bailed-out banks, and we would have been all better off for it.

    In 2007, Volcker became an early supporter of then-candidate Obama. I am told Volcker believed Obama had the temperament to tackle the massive spending in Washington—remember, while campaigning, Obama often sounded right of George Bush on fiscal matters, and in reforming the banking system. When Volcker publicly announced that he was supporting Obama, he lent economic credibility to a candidate that his Republican challenger John McCain said would spend the country into economic oblivion.

    Obama rewarded Volcker with an allegedly senior role in his economic team. I use the word "allegedly" because for the most part he was being ignored, particularly as he began pushing his ideas to prevent banks that are backed by the federal government from handling customers’ deposits that are insured by the government and still take risks in the markets by trading bonds.

    I am told that both Larry Summers and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, good friends of Wall Street, considered the 82-year-old Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored. And so he was—that is until Scott Brown’s victory. The popular theory about Brown’s victory was that it was a vote against Obama’s health-care reform. That’s only part of the story; the same president who publicly called Wall Street CEOs “fat cats” was now being accused of aiding and abetting Wall Street’s huge bonus pools, while unemployment remains near 10 percent.

    It didn’t take the American public long to figure out that when you deem all these banks too big to fail, and then subsidize their long-term debt and keep interest rates close to zero, they will make money hand over fist.

    That’s why just hours after the Brown victory, it was such an enticing photo-op for the president to be standing next to Volcker, the wise old man who has been accurately decrying Wall Street risk-taking for years.

    Then reality set in. Those same fat cats threatened to pull their support for a president who will no doubt need all the support he can get given the state of the economy and his rapidly evaporating agenda of stalled health-care reform and failed economic policies.

    And just like that, the wise old man became the crazy uncle that no one listens to anymore.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...-used-volcker/

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    Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

    Munger- Why don't you and I give these two brats a good ass whoppin' !

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    • #3
      Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

      The only reform that will work now is "move your money". Lord knows our local banks need it more than those that are TBTF.

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      • #4
        Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

        Yup, there goes my support for Obama. He is so f**king owned.

        Fool me once..

        The sad thing, is the republicans are far worse. The oligarchies are *FIRMLY* in control.
        Last edited by blazespinnaker; February 26, 2010, 06:09 PM.

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        • #5
          Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

          Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
          Yup, there goes my support for Obama. He is so f**king owned.

          Fool me once..

          The sad thing, is the republicans are far worse. The oligarchies are *FIRMLY* in control.

          All of youse guy who glorify Volker need to remember several things.
          1. He was president of the fed who is owned by whom? What does Itulip usually say about these guys?
          2. He was head of the group of thirty who knew all about the financial crises in advance. The vice chair of the group of thirty in 2008 was the vice chairman of AIG.
          3. Is it possible that Volker has been in on the scam all along?
          4. I lived through the Volker years and it was hell for the normal citizen. Ever needed a mortgage and the rate was 15%.
          5. If I was asked to decide on Alan or Ben at zero percent or Volker at 17% I think I am going with Alan. We didn't live happily ever after with Volker either.

          Cindy

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          • #6
            Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

            I'm old enough to have remembered those years. By raising interest rates, Volker stopped and reversed a serious run on the dollar. His actions rewarded savers and punished speculators and debtors. Yes, many people lost their jobs, but it set the stage for a long recovery and rising living standards well into the 1990's.

            Unfortunately, the public punished Carter for having appointed him, leaving Reagan to reap all the benefits of Volker's monetary prudence.

            In short, my test for judging a Fed Chairman is whether the currency remains a reliable storage of wealth during his term. When Volker took office, real interest rates were negative, meaning that the dollar was no longer a reliable storage of wealth. When he left office, real rates were positive and the dollar was significantly stronger. Neither Alan nor Ben can say the same. Based upon Shadowstats, the best independent source for actual inflation rates, real interest rates went negative years ago. Unless you've owned gold during this time, Ben and Al have effectively stolen money from savers to support the beneficiaries of the FIRE economy, many of whom are now multi-billionaire as a result.

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            • #7
              Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

              Originally posted by goodrich4bk View Post
              I'm old enough to have remembered those years. By raising interest rates, Volker stopped and reversed a serious run on the dollar. His actions rewarded savers and punished speculators and debtors. Yes, many people lost their jobs, but it set the stage for a long recovery and rising living standards well into the 1990's.

              Unfortunately, the public punished Carter for having appointed him, leaving Reagan to reap all the benefits of Volker's monetary prudence.

              In short, my test for judging a Fed Chairman is whether the currency remains a reliable storage of wealth during his term. When Volker took office, real interest rates were negative, meaning that the dollar was no longer a reliable storage of wealth. When he left office, real rates were positive and the dollar was significantly stronger. Neither Alan nor Ben can say the same. Based upon Shadowstats, the best independent source for actual inflation rates, real interest rates went negative years ago. Unless you've owned gold during this time, Ben and Al have effectively stolen money from savers to support the beneficiaries of the FIRE economy, many of whom are now multi-billionaire as a result.
              I agree with you 100%, and Ronald Reagan took the credit for the accomplishments of Paul Volker at the Fed. Yet, Carter appointed Volker to the Fed, not Reagan. Also Ronald Reagan then went on to appoint Alan Greenspan to replace Volker at the Fed. Then, Greenspan got in at the Fed and reduced interest rates; he undid what Volker did. The interest rates were brought down so low that the bubble economy replaced the healthy economy that we had when Volker ran the Fed. All of this needs to be understood by the public, especially by Democrats, and most especially by the Demos in the Congress who voted to confirm the appointment of Bernanke to the Fed for another term.:rolleyes:

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              • #8
                Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

                SS:

                I hadn't put that together before --- Reagan appointing Greenspan who talked like a sound money guy but walked like an inflationist. I recently read another blog that made another interesting Greenspan observation that dovetails with what you write. After Clinton was elected, Greenspan headed the SS reform commission that raised SS taxes and put the money into the "lockbox" trust funds. As we know, this was merely an accounting device as all the SS surplus is spent each year by the general fund. What I hadn't put together is that this substantial additional tax revenue made the "official" unified budget deficit disappear in short order, thereby lowering the cost of U.S. government bonds and related long term debt. It also allowed Bush to claim that the resulting "surplus" ought to be returned to taxpayers via his tax cuts.

                We're now paying the price of such interest rate manipulation, but few people can follow the problems to their source. For example, I agree with Paul Craig Roberts' view that the FIRE economy arose primarily to maintain the illusion of economic growth in the face of deflationary impacts from the opening of China and the former Soviet Union to capitalism and world trade. If Nixon hadn't opened to the door to China and Reagan hadn't "defeated" the Soviets, I wonder where we'd be today? I don't know the answer, but as just one example it certainly seems easier for compete with North Korea than South Korea.

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                • #9
                  Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

                  paul volcker on is way to open a can of whupass on those mean ol' wall street oligarchs...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

                    Originally posted by goodrich4bk View Post
                    SS:

                    I hadn't put that together before --- Reagan appointing Greenspan who talked like a sound money guy but walked like an inflationist. I recently read another blog that made another interesting Greenspan observation that dovetails with what you write. After Clinton was elected, Greenspan headed the SS reform commission that raised SS taxes and put the money into the "lockbox" trust funds. As we know, this was merely an accounting device as all the SS surplus is spent each year by the general fund. What I hadn't put together is that this substantial additional tax revenue made the "official" unified budget deficit disappear in short order, thereby lowering the cost of U.S. government bonds and related long term debt. It also allowed Bush to claim that the resulting "surplus" ought to be returned to taxpayers via his tax cuts.

                    We're now paying the price of such interest rate manipulation, but few people can follow the problems to their source. For example, I agree with Paul Craig Roberts' view that the FIRE economy arose primarily to maintain the illusion of economic growth in the face of deflationary impacts from the opening of China and the former Soviet Union to capitalism and world trade. If Nixon hadn't opened to the door to China and Reagan hadn't "defeated" the Soviets, I wonder where we'd be today? I don't know the answer, but as just one example it certainly seems easier for compete with North Korea than South Korea.
                    Where we'd be now

                    A 40 trillion dollar deficit protecting ourselvess from the threat/military defense of communism.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

                      Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                      I agree with you 100%, and Ronald Reagan took the credit for the accomplishments of Paul Volker at the Fed. Yet, Carter appointed Volker to the Fed, not Reagan. Also Ronald Reagan then went on to appoint Alan Greenspan to replace Volker at the Fed. Then, Greenspan got in at the Fed and reduced interest rates; he undid what Volker did. The interest rates were brought down so low that the bubble economy replaced the healthy economy that we had when Volker ran the Fed. All of this needs to be understood by the public, especially by Democrats, and most especially by the Demos in the Congress who voted to confirm the appointment of Bernanke to the Fed for another term.:rolleyes:

                      Maybe you guys ought to refresh your memory with this!

                      From Wikopedia

                      In 1952 he joined the staff of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York as a full-time economist. He left that position in 1957 to become a financial economist with the Chase Manhattan Bank. In 1962 he joined the U.S. Treasury Department as director of financial analysis, and in 1963 he became deputy under-secretary for monetary affairs. He returned to Chase Manhattan Bank as vice president and director of planning in 1965.
                      From 1969 to 1974 Mr. Volcker served as under-secretary of the Treasury for international monetary affairs. He played an important role in the decisions leading to the U.S. suspension of gold convertibility in 1971, which resulted in the collapse of the Bretton Woods system. In general he acted as a moderating influence on policy, advocating the pursuit of an international solution to monetary problems. After leaving the U.S. Treasury, he became president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 1975 to 1979, leaving to become the chairman of the Federal Reserve in August 1979.
                      In 1975, Mr. Volcker also became a senior fellow in the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University.
                      [edit] Chairman of the Federal Reserve

                      Paul Volcker, a Democrat,[5] was appointed Chairman of the Federal Reserve in August 1979 by President Jimmy Carter and reappointed in 1983 by President Ronald Reagan.[6]
                      Volcker's Fed is widely credited with ending the United States' stagflation crisis of the 1970s. Inflation, which peaked at 13.5% in 1981, was successfully lowered to 3.2% by 1983.[7]
                      The federal funds rate, which had averaged 11.2% in 1979, was raised by Volcker to a peak of 20% in June 1981. The prime rate rose to 21.5% in '81 as well.[8]
                      Volcker's Fed elicited the strongest political attacks and most widespread protests in the history of the Federal Reserve (unlike any protests experienced since 1922), due to the effects of the high interest rates on the construction and farming sectors, culminating in indebted farmers driving their tractors onto C Street NW and blockading the Eccles Building.[9]

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                      • #12
                        Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

                        Originally posted by metalman View Post
                        paul volcker on is way to open a can of whupass on those mean ol' wall street oligarchs...


                        I hope he opens a can... Why does it take a giant dinosaur like Volker to save us twice? Name a bridge or a State after that man!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

                          Originally posted by cindykimlisa View Post
                          Maybe you guys ought to refresh your memory with this!

                          From Wikopedia

                          In 1952 he joined the staff of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York as a full-time economist. He left that position in 1957 to become a financial economist with the Chase Manhattan Bank. In 1962 he joined the U.S. Treasury Department as director of financial analysis, and in 1963 he became deputy under-secretary for monetary affairs. He returned to Chase Manhattan Bank as vice president and director of planning in 1965.
                          From 1969 to 1974 Mr. Volcker served as under-secretary of the Treasury for international monetary affairs. He played an important role in the decisions leading to the U.S. suspension of gold convertibility in 1971, which resulted in the collapse of the Bretton Woods system. In general he acted as a moderating influence on policy, advocating the pursuit of an international solution to monetary problems. After leaving the U.S. Treasury, he became president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 1975 to 1979, leaving to become the chairman of the Federal Reserve in August 1979.
                          In 1975, Mr. Volcker also became a senior fellow in the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University.
                          [edit] Chairman of the Federal Reserve

                          Paul Volcker, a Democrat,[5] was appointed Chairman of the Federal Reserve in August 1979 by President Jimmy Carter and reappointed in 1983 by President Ronald Reagan.[6]
                          Volcker's Fed is widely credited with ending the United States' stagflation crisis of the 1970s. Inflation, which peaked at 13.5% in 1981, was successfully lowered to 3.2% by 1983.[7]
                          The federal funds rate, which had averaged 11.2% in 1979, was raised by Volcker to a peak of 20% in June 1981. The prime rate rose to 21.5% in '81 as well.[8]
                          Volcker's Fed elicited the strongest political attacks and most widespread protests in the history of the Federal Reserve (unlike any protests experienced since 1922), due to the effects of the high interest rates on the construction and farming sectors, culminating in indebted farmers driving their tractors onto C Street NW and blockading the Eccles Building.[9]
                          I remember the days just before the collapse of the Bretton Woods Agreement: The Bank of France conducted almost daily raids on Ft. Knox, redeeming U.S. paper money for $35 per ounce. So, the collapse of Bretton Woods was inevitable, at least in 1971.

                          The real cause of the collapse of Bretton Woods was the military spending in America, especially the cost of the Vietnam War. But by 1971, the gold run on Ft. Knox was the final nail in the coffin of the Bretton Woods Agreement. Nixon closed the gold window in the Agreement.

                          We are now in the Great Recession worldwide, and a direct result of the failure of the BW Agreement to endure. No-one knows what any currency is really worth, because every currency floats against the others and no currency is anchored to anything solid, like gold.

                          So now we have a mess, and no-one knows what anything is fundamentally worth. Markets are in caos, and discipline in spending has been abandoned, especially by governments. Paper money, especially paper money which pays no interest in real terms, has become more of a liability than an asset. Confidence in paper money as a long-term asset has evaporated.
                          Last edited by Starving Steve; February 26, 2010, 10:21 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

                            Originally posted by cindykimlisa View Post
                            All of youse guy who glorify Volker need to remember several things.
                            1. He was president of the fed who is owned by whom? What does Itulip usually say about these guys?
                            2. He was head of the group of thirty who knew all about the financial crises in advance. The vice chair of the group of thirty in 2008 was the vice chairman of AIG.
                            3. Is it possible that Volker has been in on the scam all along?
                            4. I lived through the Volker years and it was hell for the normal citizen. Ever needed a mortgage and the rate was 15%.
                            5. If I was asked to decide on Alan or Ben at zero percent or Volker at 17% I think I am going with Alan. We didn't live happily ever after with Volker either.

                            Cindy
                            It's not a matter of glorifying Volcker. I think he was a good Fed chairman, but that's not the point here. The point is that (1) he is attempting to bring actual, albeit mild, reform to the table, and (2) Obama puts him on stage when it's politically expedient while at the same time getting down on his knees with Geithner and Summers backstage to suck Dimon and Blankfein's balls.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Geithner, Summers: "Volcker little more than a crank who should be ignored"

                              Originally posted by Munger View Post
                              It's not a matter of glorifying Volcker. I think he was a good Fed chairman, but that's not the point here. The point is that (1) he is attempting to bring actual, albeit mild, reform to the table, and (2) Obama puts him on stage when it's politically expedient while at the same time getting down on his knees with Geithner and Summers backstage to suck Dimon and Blankfein's balls.
                              The thread is now back on point.

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