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    Bloom Energy unveils 'power plant in a box'

    David R. Baker, Chronicle Staff Writer
    Thursday, February 25, 2010



    Bloom Energy Servers are shown helping to power the eBay offices in San Jose, where the public premiere was held.


    Bloom Energy Corp., one of Silicon Valley's most secretive startups, unveiled on Wednesday its long-awaited "power plant in a box," a collection of fuel cells that the company says can provide clean electricity to homes, office buildings - even whole villages in the developing world.

    The Bloom Energy Server, a smooth metal box the size of a pickup truck, can generate electricity from multiple fuels while producing relatively few greenhouse gas emissions. With government subsidies factored in, power from the server costs less than power from the grid.







    Unlike other fuel cells, Bloom's is made mostly of sand, with no platinum or other precious metals thrown in as catalysts. And unlike solar panels and wind turbines, each server can produce the same amount of energy day and night for years on end, according to the company. The process is twice as efficient as burning natural gas.







    "This is not when the sun shines, this is not when the wind blows - this is base load, nonstop," said K.R. Sridhar, Bloom's co-founder and chief executive officer. The server, he said, could change the energy industry in much the same way that cell phones changed communications, decentralizing the generation of power.

    An eager crowd

    Sridhar introduced the device, for years a subject of intense speculation within the green-tech industry, before a large and rapturous crowd of politicians, press and Silicon Valley luminaries, eager to see the first product from a company that has landed roughly $400 million in venture capital investments. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger hailed the server as a potential revolution. Sen. Dianne Feinstein sent the company, founded in 2001, congratulations via a video message.

    More important, some of the business executives in attendance had already bought the servers, which cost $700,000 to $800,000 apiece. Bloom, based in Sunnyvale, counts among its customers the Coca-Cola Co., Cox Enterprises, FedEx Corp. and Google Inc., all of whom sent executives to speak at Wednesday's public premiere. Online marketplace eBay Inc. liked the product enough that it hosted the event at its San Jose campus, where five servers have been running since July.

    "Like everyone says, it sounded too good to be true," said Cox Chairman Jim Kennedy. "So we sent some people to check it out, and they said, 'It could be true.' "

    The communications company installed four of the servers, each generating 100 kilowatts of electricity, at its KTVU television station in Oakland. "Our general manager is here, and he's smiling, so that must mean it's working," Kennedy said.

    Whether it works long-term will be the key question, energy experts say.
    The Bloom Energy Server uses solid oxide fuel cells, generating power through an electrochemical reaction between oxygen and such fuels as natural gas, ethanol and landfill gas. Solid oxide fuel cells are more efficient and operate at higher temperatures than proton exchange membrane fuel cells, which have been commercially available for years. But making a solid oxide fuel cell that lasts has proved tricky. Researchers have been trying for decades.

    "The thing we don't know yet is, how is this thing going to perform over time?" said Daniel Kammen, a professor in the Energy and Resources Group at UC Berkeley. He noted the Bloom server's daunting cost.

    "The question is, is it going to last long enough to pay that back?" Kammen said. "That has been the problem with fuel cells the whole time."

    No silver bullet

    Indeed, other types of fuel cells have been touted as the future of energy, only to remain niche products.

    "I've been looking at fuel cells since the early '90s, and even back then, people were telling me fuel cells were right around the corner," said David Friedman, research director for the vehicles program at the Union of Concerned Scientists. "These are not silver bullets. These are not Harry Potter's magic wand."

    Sridhar said the servers can provide electricity at 9 to 10 cents per kilowatt hour, compared with 14 cents for power from the grid. With those savings, most customers will make their money back in three to five years, he said.

    Government subsidies

    Sridhar's price estimate includes financial incentives from the federal and California governments, which together can cover half the server's cost. He defended those subsidies Wednesday as necessary to help innovative technologies grow and said the server's prices will fall as the company scales up.

    "It's a new technology - we need that subsidy in the early days," he said. "Very quickly, we need to move off of subsidies."

    The server represents the latest form of "distributed generation" - creating electricity at the local level rather than at distant power plants. Different versions of the server could power individual houses or business campuses, taking stress off the country's aging electrical grid and reducing the need for new transmission lines.

    Eventually, Bloom's backers want to create a version of the server that can power villages in the developing world, places that don't have access to electricity. The goal, they say, is to create an energy source that can help millions of people climb out of poverty without significantly adding to global warming.

    "We want to move this product forward to the point where we can put it in an African village ... and they can have power, they can have light," said former Secretary of State Colin Powell, who sits on Bloom's board of directors. "Think of the potential."

    E-mail David R. Baker at dbaker@sfchronicle.com.

    http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...MNIO1C6M96.DTL

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    Re: Power in a Box Debut

    I saw this on 60 Minutes. Very cool. My question is when do I get to put one of these under the hood of my car?

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      Re: Power in a Box Debut

      Each of those large "camry" size boxes you see in the above photo produces 100kw - In comparison, A toyota Camry Hybrid produces 140kw, and leaves room for 5 passengers, and a large trunk. Further, the Bloom Box requires a source of natural gas or other fuel.

      I doubt that you will see this in an automotive application under the current transportation paradigm!

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      • #4
        Re: Power in a Box Debut

        Originally posted by Rajiv View Post
        Each of those large "camry" size boxes you see in the above photo produces 100kw - In comparison, A toyota Camry Hybrid produces 140kw, and leaves room for 5 passengers, and a large trunk. Further, the Bloom Box requires a source of natural gas or other fuel.

        I doubt that you will see this in an automotive application under the current transportation paradigm!
        Fuel cells have been used in large vehicles. I was involved with a bus for use at Georgetown University that used a fuel cell (a different type called a phoshporic acid fuel cell ) and one in Vancouver running on a proton exchange membrane fuel cell. I believe Burlington Northern ran a locomotive with a fuel cell as well.

        It'll be a while before you get one in a car, though it could work as a hybrid, with the fuel cell taking the place of the little gasoline engine.

        If you thought the battery pack for a hybrid was expensive, wait until you get a peek at the price tag for a fuel cell.

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        • #5
          Re: Power in a Box Debut

          Originally posted by Rajiv View Post
          Each of those large "camry" size boxes you see in the above photo produces 100kw - In comparison, A toyota Camry Hybrid produces 140kw, and leaves room for 5 passengers, and a large trunk. Further, the Bloom Box requires a source of natural gas or other fuel.

          I doubt that you will see this in an automotive application under the current transportation paradigm!
          Whenever General Motors makes a decision it's almost always the wrong thing to do. Looks like they are about to do it again...
          GM to axe Hummer after Chinese pull out of bid

          Published: 4:30AM GMT 25 Feb 2010

          General Motors has said it will close down Hummer, the maker of hulking off-road vehicles, after a Chinese bid for the marque collapsed...
          I say bring back the Hummer...only BIGGER.

          Big enough for the fuel cell and five passengers...;)

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          • #6
            Re: Power in a Box Debut

            Originally posted by don View Post
            Bloom Energy unveils 'power plant in a box'

            David R. Baker, Chronicle Staff Writer
            Thursday, February 25, 2010



            Bloom Energy Servers are shown helping to power the eBay offices in San Jose, where the public premiere was held.


            Bloom Energy Corp., one of Silicon Valley's most secretive startups, unveiled on Wednesday its long-awaited "power plant in a box," a collection of fuel cells that the company says can provide clean electricity to homes, office buildings - even whole villages in the developing world.

            The Bloom Energy Server, a smooth metal box the size of a pickup truck, can generate electricity from multiple fuels while producing relatively few greenhouse gas emissions. With government subsidies factored in, power from the server costs less than power from the grid.







            Unlike other fuel cells, Bloom's is made mostly of sand, with no platinum or other precious metals thrown in as catalysts. And unlike solar panels and wind turbines, each server can produce the same amount of energy day and night for years on end, according to the company. The process is twice as efficient as burning natural gas.







            "This is not when the sun shines, this is not when the wind blows - this is base load, nonstop," said K.R. Sridhar, Bloom's co-founder and chief executive officer. The server, he said, could change the energy industry in much the same way that cell phones changed communications, decentralizing the generation of power.

            An eager crowd

            Sridhar introduced the device, for years a subject of intense speculation within the green-tech industry, before a large and rapturous crowd of politicians, press and Silicon Valley luminaries, eager to see the first product from a company that has landed roughly $400 million in venture capital investments. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger hailed the server as a potential revolution. Sen. Dianne Feinstein sent the company, founded in 2001, congratulations via a video message.

            More important, some of the business executives in attendance had already bought the servers, which cost $700,000 to $800,000 apiece. Bloom, based in Sunnyvale, counts among its customers the Coca-Cola Co., Cox Enterprises, FedEx Corp. and Google Inc., all of whom sent executives to speak at Wednesday's public premiere. Online marketplace eBay Inc. liked the product enough that it hosted the event at its San Jose campus, where five servers have been running since July.

            "Like everyone says, it sounded too good to be true," said Cox Chairman Jim Kennedy. "So we sent some people to check it out, and they said, 'It could be true.' "

            The communications company installed four of the servers, each generating 100 kilowatts of electricity, at its KTVU television station in Oakland. "Our general manager is here, and he's smiling, so that must mean it's working," Kennedy said.

            Whether it works long-term will be the key question, energy experts say.
            The Bloom Energy Server uses solid oxide fuel cells, generating power through an electrochemical reaction between oxygen and such fuels as natural gas, ethanol and landfill gas. Solid oxide fuel cells are more efficient and operate at higher temperatures than proton exchange membrane fuel cells, which have been commercially available for years. But making a solid oxide fuel cell that lasts has proved tricky. Researchers have been trying for decades.

            "The thing we don't know yet is, how is this thing going to perform over time?" said Daniel Kammen, a professor in the Energy and Resources Group at UC Berkeley. He noted the Bloom server's daunting cost.

            "The question is, is it going to last long enough to pay that back?" Kammen said. "That has been the problem with fuel cells the whole time."

            No silver bullet

            Indeed, other types of fuel cells have been touted as the future of energy, only to remain niche products.

            "I've been looking at fuel cells since the early '90s, and even back then, people were telling me fuel cells were right around the corner," said David Friedman, research director for the vehicles program at the Union of Concerned Scientists. "These are not silver bullets. These are not Harry Potter's magic wand."

            Sridhar said the servers can provide electricity at 9 to 10 cents per kilowatt hour, compared with 14 cents for power from the grid. With those savings, most customers will make their money back in three to five years, he said.

            Government subsidies

            Sridhar's price estimate includes financial incentives from the federal and California governments, which together can cover half the server's cost. He defended those subsidies Wednesday as necessary to help innovative technologies grow and said the server's prices will fall as the company scales up.

            "It's a new technology - we need that subsidy in the early days," he said. "Very quickly, we need to move off of subsidies."

            The server represents the latest form of "distributed generation" - creating electricity at the local level rather than at distant power plants. Different versions of the server could power individual houses or business campuses, taking stress off the country's aging electrical grid and reducing the need for new transmission lines.

            Eventually, Bloom's backers want to create a version of the server that can power villages in the developing world, places that don't have access to electricity. The goal, they say, is to create an energy source that can help millions of people climb out of poverty without significantly adding to global warming.

            "We want to move this product forward to the point where we can put it in an African village ... and they can have power, they can have light," said former Secretary of State Colin Powell, who sits on Bloom's board of directors. "Think of the potential."

            E-mail David R. Baker at dbaker@sfchronicle.com.

            http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...MNIO1C6M96.DTL
            Maybe it's the engineer in me, but every time I read a report like this it sounds like a religious revival meeting.
            • Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger hailed the server as a potential revolution. [We are saved Brothers, we are saved...];
            • Sen. Dianne Feinstein sent the company, founded in 2001, congratulations via a video message. [Put your hands together and give praise...];
            • "This is not when the sun shines, this is not when the wind blows - this is base load, nonstop," said K.R. Sridhar, Bloom's co-founder and chief executive officer. [It's a miracle, truly a miracle...]
            • Online marketplace eBay Inc. liked the product enough that it hosted the event at its San Jose campus, where five servers have been running since July. [Look who threw away their crutches and can walk again...];
            • "Like everyone says, it sounded too good to be true," said Cox Chairman Jim Kennedy. "So we sent some people to check it out, and they said, 'It could be true.' " [You got to believe People, you got to believe...];
            • Sridhar's price estimate includes financial incentives from the federal and California governments, which together can cover half the server's cost. He defended those subsidies Wednesday as necessary to help innovative technologies grow and said the server's prices will fall as the company scales up. [The Man Up There wants you to give generously folks, you'll not find a better cause...];
            • "We want to move this product forward to the point where we can put it in an African village ... and they can have power, they can have light," [Hallelujah, such is the Power. We can save the world...]
            • Cut to church choir... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7R1N...eature=related
            Then again, maybe it's the cynic in me and not the engineer...

            More facts, less rah-rah would be nice. :cool:

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              Re: Power in a Box Debut

              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              Then again, maybe it's the cynic in me and not the engineer...
              I think both engineering and life experience breed cynicism. You are an experienced engineer, so... ;)

              Hype aside, it appears that the engineering part of this works, and it is only the economics (scalability, cost, dependence upon natural gas, etc.) that is suspect. It may not save the world -- it may not prove economical -- but the mere fact that the basic technology can be demonstrated in a practical application is a lot more than can be said for some of the players in this field. I doubt that a single breakthrough technology is going to solve all our energy problems at once, but maybe this could play a role if the economics of scale work out.
              Last edited by ASH; February 25, 2010, 12:52 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Power in a Box Debut

                Originally posted by ASH View Post
                I think both engineering and life experience breed cynicism. You are an experienced engineer, so... ;)...
                LOL. Now who could possibly need "saving" more than a cynical, experienced engineer...

                Originally posted by ASH View Post
                Hype aside, it appears that the engineering part of this works, and it is only the economics (scalability, cost, dependence upon natural gas, etc.) that is suspect. It may not save the world -- it may not prove economical -- but the mere fact that the basic technology can be demonstrated in a practical application is a lot more than can be said for some of the players in this field. I doubt that a single breakthrough technology is going to solve all our energy problems at once, but maybe this could play a role if the economics of scale work out.
                This article reminded me of the late 1990s as the tech bubble was in its ascent, before things got really crazy and stupid. At that stage most companies making announcements actually had "something" in the way of a technology. But even then the main product many of them were peddling was company stock certificates. The breathless endorsements from politicians, the prominent Board members...it all sounds so eerily familiar.

                Let's hope we aren't heading down that road again with alt energy...

                Edit Added: Then again, to paraphrase EJ...the only thing worse than another bubble is no next bubble...Yikes!...
                Last edited by GRG55; February 25, 2010, 01:07 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Power in a Box Debut

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  LOL. Now who could possibly need "saving" more than a cynical, experienced engineer...



                  This article reminded me of the late 1990s as the tech bubble was in its ascent, before things got really crazy and stupid. At that stage most companies making announcements actually had "something" in the way of a technology. But even then the main product many of them were peddling was company stock certificates. The breathless endorsements from politicians, the prominent Board members...it all sounds so eerily familiar.

                  Let's hope we aren't heading down that road again with alt energy...

                  There certainly is a strong promotional aspect to Bloom that made me immediately suspicious. Solid oxide fuel cells aren't new, but the fuel cell guys have always held them up as having great potential. As far as I can tell, this is the first time anyone has ever set out to sell them in larger numbers and smaller sizes. Google around on solid oxide fuel cells and you'll quickly find the state of the art, the advantages and drawbacks. The other fashionable fuel cell is proton exchange membrane, and Ballard Power Systems has been trying to commercialize them for almost 20 years with limited success, though they are still a serious and solvent $45MM business.

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