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    Urine: A 'Clean' Energy Source

    July 8, 2009 -- Urine-powered cars, homes and personal electronic devices could be available in six months with new technology developed by scientists from Ohio University.

    Using a nickel-based electrode, the scientists can create large amounts of cheap hydrogen from urine that could be burned or used in fuel cells. "One cow can provide enough energy to supply hot water for 19 houses," said Gerardine Botte, a professor at Ohio University developing the technology. "Soldiers in the field could carry their own fuel."

    Pee power is based on hydrogen, the most common element in the universe but one that has resisted efforts to produce, store, transport and use economically.

    Storing pure hydrogen gas requires high pressure and low temperature. New nanomaterials with high surface areas can adsorb hydrogen, but have yet to be produced on a commercial scale.

    Chemically binding hydrogen to other elements, like oxygen to create water, makes it easier to store and transport, but releasing the hydrogen when it's needed usually requires financially prohibitive amounts of electricity.

    By attaching hydrogen to another element, nitrogen, Botte and her colleagues realized that they can store hydrogen without the exotic environmental conditions, and then release it with less electricity, 0.037 Volts instead of the 1.23 Volts needed for water.

    One molecule of urea, a major component of urine, contains four atoms of hydrogen bonded to two atoms of nitrogen. Stick a special nickel electrode into a pool of urine, apply an electrical current, and hydrogen gas is released.

    Botte's current prototype measures 3x3x1 inch and can produce up to 500 milliwatts of power. However, Botte and her colleagues are actively trying to commercialize several larger versions of the technology.

    A fuel cell, urine-powered vehicle could theoretically travel 90 miles per gallon. A refrigerator-sized unit could produce one kilowatt of energy for about $5,000, although this price is a rough estimate, says Botte.
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  • #2
    Re: A New 'Clean' Energy Source

    I hope the guy has tenure.

    The amount of energy in pee is minimal. The main problem is that urea is just not all that concentrated, around .4 gm per liter. Thus, it would take 2000 gallons of pee to yield the energy of one gallon of gasoline.

    I don't know about you but my bladder ain't up for it.

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    • #3
      Re: A New 'Clean' Energy Source

      Here is the article from The Royal Society of Chemistry - Chemistry World: Urine turned into hydrogen fuel

      Urine's major constituent is urea, which incorporates four hydrogen atoms per molecule - importantly, less tightly bonded than the hydrogen atoms in water molecules. Botte used electrolysis to break the molecule apart, developing an inexpensive new nickel-based electrode to selectively and efficiently oxidise the urea. To break the molecule down, a voltage of 0.37V needs to be applied across the cell - much less than the 1.23V needed to split water.



      Electrolysis breaks down the urea, releasing hydrogen

      'During the electrochemical process the urea gets adsorbed on to the nickel electrode surface, which passes the electrons needed to break up the molecule,' Botte told Chemistry World. Pure hydrogen is evolved at the cathode, while nitrogen plus a trace of oxygen and hydrogen were collected at the anode. While carbon dioxide is generated during the reaction, none is found in the collected gasses as it reacts with the potassium hydroxide in the solution to form potassium carbonate.

      The group initially tested their process with 'synthetic' urine made of dissolved urea, but also showed that the process works just as well with real human urine. 'It took us some time to get clearance to work with human urine - which held up publication of the research,' says Botte.

      According to Botte, currently available processes that can remove urine from water are expensive and inefficient. Urea naturally hydrolyses into ammonia before generating gas phase ammonia emissions. These emissions lead to the formation of ammonium sulphate and nitrate particulates in the air, which cause a variety of health problems including chronic bronchitis, asthma attacks and premature death.

      The group are currently conducting long term stability studies on their electrolysis systems, as well as conducting computational experiments to better understand the mechanisms at work.

      Botte believes the technology could be easily scaled-up to generate hydrogen while cleaning up the effluent from sewage plants. 'We do not need to reinvent the wheel as there are already electrolysers being used in different applications.' She believes the only the thing that would hamper the process would be the presence of a lot of salt.

      Bruce Logan, an expert in energy generation from wastewater and director of Pennsylvania State University's H2E Center and Engineering Environmental Institute, applauded Botte's efforts in developing a more energy efficient way of producing hydrogen than splitting water. However, he did caution that urea gets converted very quickly into ammonia by bacteria, which could limit the usefulness of the technique.

      However, Logan does feel that it would be a good idea to start saving up our urine - although not for the hydrogen. 'You have to remember about the P [phosphorus] in pee - globally we need to start thinking about conserving phosphorus for fertiliser, because, just like oil, one day the deposits are all going to run out and we need to start building phosphorus recycling into our infrastructure,' he says.

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      • #4
        Re: A New 'Clean' Energy Source

        Originally posted by Rajiv View Post

        Go pee on somebody else's leg and tell them it's raining.

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        • #5
          Re: A New 'Clean' Energy Source

          The description of the reduced electrical energy required to disassociate urea v water is fine It takes only 30% of the energy required to disassociate water. If one could find a system that efficiently used the hydrogen generated to produce the required electricity the excess could be used for power.

          Beyond that, my point is that there is just damned little urea in urine. Less than .05% in fact. And that is the only part of pee that one can use in this process.

          Thus this is misleading:

          A fuel cell, urine-powered vehicle could theoretically travel 90 miles per gallon.
          But note the RCS report makes no such claim so I doubt the original article does either.

          I shouldn't have attacked the credibility of the professor rather than the far more likely case of the popular press (Discovery) just getting it wrong.

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          • #6
            Re: A New 'Clean' Energy Source

            My own take is that urine is better used as fertilizer. However, as waste water treatments go, currently we are not using the effluents as fertilizer either. So I guess, in the current context, the process may be useful. As Peak Oil works its way across the decades, and relocalization occurs, my presumption is that ways will be found to convert the effluents to fertilizer instead of hydrogen for energy. After all, currently oil and natural gas are used to make the nitrogen fertilizers! My presumption is that urine use as a fertilizer will be a more valuable use than its use as raw energy.

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            • #7
              Re: A New 'Clean' Energy Source

              Originally posted by Rajiv View Post
              My own take is that urine is better used as fertilizer. However, as waste water treatments go, currently we are not using the effluents as fertilizer either. So I guess, in the current context, the process may be useful. As Peak Oil works its way across the decades, and relocalization occurs, my presumption is that ways will be found to convert the effluents to fertilizer instead of hydrogen for energy. After all, currently oil and natural gas are used to make the nitrogen fertilizers! My presumption is that urine use as a fertilizer will be a more valuable use than its use as raw energy.
              Yep. I really don't like the reporting in the original article as it tends to feed conspiracy theories. The PTB (powers that be) are forcing us to use expensive oil, etc. It's easy to believe in these theories if one is told by presumably credible sources that a gallon of pee should get you 90 miles down the road.

              The economic issues exacerbate these risks and there is no magic bullet that makes people both smart and educated.

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              • #8
                Re: A New 'Clean' Energy Source

                Nutrient Levels (approximation, will vary according to diet)
                Alanine, total ..... 38 mg/day
                Arginine, total ..... 32 mg/day
                Ascorbic acid ..... 30 mg/day
                Allantoin ..... 12 mg/day
                Amino acids, total ..... 2.1 g/day
                Bicarbonate ..... 140 mg/day
                Biotin ..... 35 mg/day
                Calcium ..... 23 mg/day
                Creatinine ..... 1.4 mg/day
                Cystine ..... 120 mg/day
                Dopamine ..... 0.40 mg/day
                Epinephrine ..... 0.01 mg/day
                Folic acid ..... 4 mg/day
                Glucose ..... 100 mg/day
                Glutamic acid ..... 308 mg/day
                Glycine ..... 455 mg/day
                Inositol ..... 14 mg/day
                Iodine ..... 0.25 mg/day
                Iron ..... 0.5 mg/day
                Lysine, total ..... 56 mg/day
                Magnesium ..... 100 mg/day
                Manganese ..... 0.5 mg/day
                Methionine, total ..... 10 mg/day
                Nitrogen, total ..... 15 g/day
                Ornithine ..... 10 mg/day
                Pantothenic acid ..... 3 mg/day
                Phenylalanine ..... 21 mg/day
                Phosphorus, organic ..... 9 mg/day
                Potassium ..... 2.5 mg/day
                Proteins, total ..... 5 mg/day
                Riboflavin ..... 0.9 mg/day
                Tryptophan, total ..... 28 mg/day
                Tyrosine, total ..... 50 mg/day
                Urea ..... 24.5 mg/day
                Vitamin B6 ..... 100 mg/day
                Vitamin B12 ..... 0.03 mg/day
                Zinc ..... 1.4 mg/day

                approx. 2 liters is excreted /day.

                Have fun explaining your storage system to visitors though!

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                • #9
                  Re: A New 'Clean' Energy Source

                  Ascorbic acid ..... 30 mg/day
                  I'd recommend more like 5 or 10 grams per day .
                  Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                  • #10
                    Re: A New 'Clean' Energy Source

                    You want me to pee in THAT THING ? :eek:

                    Mr. Fusion.jpg

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