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    What Obama Does Not Know by Richard J. Maybury

    I have read a few articles by Mr. Maybury, and found his writings very interesting. He has the ability to explain complex matters in a clear and simple to understand manner. In this quoted article, he suggests that the majority of the main stream economist and current administration have no idea of the economical conditions we are facing, and hence the solutions being proposed and implemented will no doubt fail at the end. The reasons being: 1. economics is not just money, labor, and goods. It is more of a human ecology, a vastly more complex system than most economicist would realize. 2. Most economicist would adhere to certain economics model(Keynesian, Monetarist, etc.), and hence limiting their understanding of matters in the real world. 3. Many economicist have misunderstanding of money demand/velocity.

    I feel his explaination of money demand/velocity especially enlightening(well, at least for me ). He suggests that money velocity is mainly determined by human psychology, and hence, while it is easy to study the money supply(money base, M2, M3, etc.), it is extremely difficult to predict human behavior due to fear/emotion.

    This quote is golden IMHO: "The biggest problem with velocity and money demand is they can turn 180 degrees overnight."

    So, we are all attempting to study, understand, or better to foresee the inflation/deflation future and its timeline, with all kinds of data, charts, models, and theories. Ka-poon or not, when and how. We might miss the major turning points, if we ignore human psychology aspect of our economic/financial activities. Time to study Behavioral Economics?

    Have any of you read his books? Are they good?

    Velocity is the speed at which money changes hands. When demand for the money is high, money changes hands more slowly, and velocity is low.

    When demand for the money is low, velocity is high.

    A key point is that velocity and money supply can act as substitutes for each other. A 10% rise in velocity has the same effect as a 10% rise in money supply.

    The biggest problem with velocity and money demand is they can turn 180 degrees overnight. If people trust the currency, and suddenly perceive some kind of big threat to their futures, money demand can shoot up.

    That's exactly what happened last year. The supply of dollars certainly did not go down, but when the real estate crash happened, people became so frightened they were afraid to let go of their dollars.

    Within a few days, money demand shot up, people stopped spending and held onto their dollars, and this had the same effect as an instantaneous deflation of the money supply.

    If you don't spend your money, that's the same thing as taking it out of circulation.

    This can instantly cause the equivalent of a sharp deflation of the money supply by 10 or 20 percent, or more.

    ..................

    So, speaking economically, I think that is where we are now. Changes in money demand and velocity are running everything.

    And, my key point is, it's all controlled by emotions. By fear.

    What are you more afraid of? The dollar becoming worthless? Or losing your job and running out of dollars?

    The whole world is constantly shifting back and forth between those two fears, so money demand bounces up and down like a yo-yo, and velocity — the speed at which the money changes hands — does, too.

    These wild shifts in money demand and velocity have the same effect as massive, instantaneous shifts up and down in money supply. It's like we're having a huge inflation, then a deflation, every few hours — because our fears change every few hours — because the politicians have all this arbitrary power and we don't know what they're going to do to us!

    Now, do you see why it is so important to see the economy not as a machine but as an ecology. Machines don't feel, they don't have fear, or joy, or optimism.

    But people, biological organisms, do have feelings. They do fear, and their fears can change instantaneously.

    The human ecology, especially these days, is driven very largely by emotions.

    How are the politicians and bureaucrats who are playing God ever going to control, or fine tune, or repair, or speed up or slow down, our emotions?

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    Re: What Obama Does Not Know

    This line of reasoning is exactly why it's impossible for a centrally managed economy to ever work correctly: it's just way, way too complex.

    The only solution viable in the long term is true free-market capitalism.

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      Re: What Obama Does Not Know

      Originally posted by Sharky View Post
      This line of reasoning is exactly why it's impossible for a centrally managed economy to ever work correctly: it's just way, way too complex.

      The only solution viable in the long term is true free-market capitalism.
      Absolutely.

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        Re: What Obama Does Not Know

        Originally posted by Sharky View Post
        This line of reasoning is exactly why it's impossible for a centrally managed economy to ever work correctly: it's just way, way too complex.

        The only solution viable in the long term is true free-market capitalism.
        I suspect that the presumption that "true free-market capitalism" is a long term stable and healthy solution is wrong.

        I don't think us humans know a long term viable healthy solution.
        Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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          The explanation above is really useful, but I think the Administration knows.

          I also think there is no button you can push that can undo a series of problems that have been building up for decades.

          I thought this was going to blow sky high in the late 90s, and then again in 2002, and was surprised, very surprised, that it didn't... Unfortunately, the problems had not gone away; they were growing.

          By no means do I approve of how things have been handled, but addictive behavior continues until you hit bottom, and we haven't hit bottom yet. Only this morning did people I have been explaining these problems to for three years email me and say "OMG". They finally "noticed" there is a problem. Hitting bottom is a long way off, unfortunately.

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            Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
            I suspect that the presumption that "true free-market capitalism" is a long term stable and healthy solution is wrong.
            Why is that?

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              Re: What Obama Does Not Know

              Originally posted by Sharky View Post
              This line of reasoning is exactly why it's impossible for a centrally managed economy to ever work correctly: it's just way, way too complex.

              The only solution viable in the long term is true free-market capitalism.
              Unfortunately, as markets consolidate in our winner-take-all system, one or two giant corporations dominate a segment and become, effectively, a lousy central manager. We need many small players in all markets.

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                Originally posted by Sharky View Post
                Why is that?
                Because we haven't really ever had it in this country, not since 1913 for sure.

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                • #9
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                  We have been brain washed into thinking that free markets and capitalism go hand in hand. They do not. Free markets make sense. Money creation via capitalism may not and via this last episode maybe is a theoretical pipe dream.

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                    Re: What Obama Does Not Know

                    Originally posted by Sharky View Post
                    The only solution viable in the long term is true free-market capitalism.
                    Human history shows us that free-market capitalism will probably not work . . . because there will always be some who use their freedom selfishly to dominate others.

                    In history, we see a recurrent pattern of an elite class, comprised of the strong and greedy, consolidating power and wealth with the result that the people suffer under their domination. In many instances, the populace revolts, overthrows the elite, but a new elite soon rises to once again dominate the people . . . and the cycle continues.

                    There is only one possible way to stop this cycle, or at least temper it, and that is to institute effective laws that restrain the powerful. However, this is not a "free" system.

                    The debate pitting socialism vs. capitalism is too simplistic.
                    These are two extremes, and what is needed is to combine the best of both systems.

                    For society to function optimally, there must be enough freedom for entrepreneurs and businessmen to be fairly rewarded for contributing their vitality and productiveness to the society. We need a competitive economic system in which market forces produce maximum efficiencies. Salaries and profits are determined by effort, skill and sometimes luck. To this degree, the markets are "free".

                    On the other hand, we cannot allow a powerful elite to concentrate power and amass wealth to the point that it drives the rest of us into poverty. This goal can only be accomplished through capping the amount of personal wealth any individual can extract from the society, either through progressive taxation and/or personal income caps. (With the latter, individuals may earn as much money as they are able, but any amount above the cap must be invested or given someplace that does not produce income for them, their families or their associates.)

                    To have a compassionate society, we must help the truly needy -- the young, the old, the poor and the sick. In order to do this, the capable segment of society must contribute some of their wealth to those less fortunate. At the same time, we don't want a system that encourages sloth and goldbricking; only those who need help should get it. Everyone who is willing and capable to work is rewarded for their effort, but those who choose to not work do not receive assistance.

                    Other controls on society are also required, such as anti-monopoly laws that prevent the stifling of competition and banking laws that prohibit public bailouts for private gambling losses.
                    raja
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                    • #11
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                      Anti-trust laws are all but ignored these days. Fix that and you fix most of our problems regarding "free enterprise". Capitalism is fine. It just needs to be reined in at times to prevent its uglier side from dominating.

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                        Originally posted by raja View Post
                        Human history shows us that free-market capitalism will probably not work . . . because there will always be some who use their freedom selfishly to dominate others.
                        The purpose of a proper government is to prevent domination and abuse.

                        Originally posted by raja View Post
                        In history, we see a recurrent pattern of an elite class, comprised of the strong and greedy, consolidating power and wealth with the result that the people suffer under their domination. In many instances, the populace revolts, overthrows the elite, but a new elite soon rises to once again dominate the people . . . and the cycle continues.
                        A better word to use instead of "elite" is "gang." The gangs that come into power don't start out as elites; they start out as thugs, and try to make themselves become elites.

                        Originally posted by raja View Post
                        There is only one possible way to stop this cycle, or at least temper it, and that is to institute effective laws that restrain the powerful. However, this is not a "free" system.
                        Having laws that apply to the powerful but not to everyone else is a mistake. That will simply lead down the same road, as people argue about which laws should apply to them (and their gang), and which should apply to the other gangs.

                        Freedom doesn't mean that you're free to harm other people. It means that you are free to control your own life.

                        Originally posted by raja View Post
                        The debate pitting socialism vs. capitalism is too simplistic.
                        These are two extremes, and what is needed is to combine the best of both systems.
                        Socialism is like a cancer: Combining a little of it with capitalism will eventually lead to total socialism.

                        Originally posted by raja View Post
                        For society to function optimally, there must be enough freedom for entrepreneurs and businessmen to be fairly rewarded for contributing their vitality and productiveness to the society. We need a competitive economic system in which market forces produce maximum efficiencies. Salaries and profits are determined by effort, skill and sometimes luck. To this degree, the markets are "free".

                        On the other hand, we cannot allow a powerful elite to concentrate power and amass wealth to the point that it drives the rest of us into poverty.
                        Why do you think that amassing wealth drives anyone into poverty? This is propaganda from the Left.

                        In a free market, one person does not get rich at the expense of others. Bill Gates didn't get rich by taking advantage of people: he and the people who worked for him helped improve the lives of many millions of others; their lives improved, and so did his.

                        Originally posted by raja View Post
                        This goal can only be accomplished through capping the amount of personal wealth any individual can extract from the society, either through progressive taxation and/or personal income caps. (With the latter, individuals may earn as much money as they are able, but any amount above the cap must be invested or given someplace that does not produce income for them, their families or their associates.)
                        Wealth is not "extracted from society." Society gets wealthy together.

                        Progressive taxation is simply legalized theft, and is immoral at its core. Any society that legalizes the immoral is doomed to fail in the long run.

                        Originally posted by raja View Post
                        To have a compassionate society, we must help the truly needy -- the young, the old, the poor and the sick. In order to do this, the capable segment of society must contribute some of their wealth to those less fortunate. At the same time, we don't want a system that encourages sloth and goldbricking; only those who need help should get it. Everyone who is willing and capable to work is rewarded for their effort, but those who choose to not work do not receive assistance.
                        Voluntary charity would meet that need very nicely, as it did for centuries before governments decided they needed to be involved.

                        Originally posted by raja View Post
                        Other controls on society are also required, such as anti-monopoly laws that prevent the stifling of competition and banking laws that prohibit public bailouts for private gambling losses.
                        An important part of what it means to have a true free market is to also have a complete separation of government and business -- in the same way and for the same reasons as having a separation of church and state. Government's primary role should be the protection of individual rights.

                        Once business and government are separated, coercive monopolies become impossible; they can only exist with the help of government.

                        The system you're describing sounds like what the US already has: progressive taxation, laws that limit the wealthy, anti-trust laws, a system to care for the poor. How's that working out for you?
                        Last edited by Sharky; February 19, 2010, 08:20 PM.

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                          Re: What Obama Does Not Know

                          Originally posted by ThePythonicCow
                          I suspect that the presumption that "true free-market capitalism" is a long term stable and healthy solution is wrong.
                          Originally posted by Sharky
                          Why is that?
                          Well, I suppose I could respond by noting that no economic system has ever remained stable and healthy long term.

                          You might respond that "free-market capitalism" would do so, if it were ever tried.

                          To which I would respond that yes, that's the other problem with it. Not only cannot it not survive as a long term healthy system (because no system can), moreover it cannot even be tried because it's an abstract idealization of something we'll never see, can never see, widely adapted by human civilization.

                          It wouldn't work if we did (nothing would) and we can't anyway.
                          Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                            Well, I suppose I could respond by noting that no economic system has ever remained stable and healthy long term.
                            There was a time when democratic republics were but a dream. Most subjects of monarchies said such a thing would be impossible, yet here we are. Things change; when a system doesn't work, people evolve.

                            Laissez-faire capitalism isn't any different. Unfortunately, it's under direct attack by the Left, with surprisingly few defenders -- so, realistically, I can't say I have much hope at the moment; but that's no reason not to continue to stand up for what's right.

                            For anyone who cares to look critically, socialism in all of its variants has been thoroughly demonstrated to be a disaster everywhere it's been tried. The world's first moderately-capitalism society did pretty damn well for itself in comparison, until the socialist/fascist toehold took root.

                            The only type of system that has a chance of succeeding in the long term is one that has the ability to manage complexity and that's moral (for example, where things aren't stolen by one gang from another). It may not be perfect, but laissez-faire capitalism is the only system that meets those basic requirements.

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                              Re: What Obama Does Not Know

                              Originally posted by Sharky View Post
                              There was a time when democratic republics were but a dream.
                              Don't fret - that time is here again :eek:.
                              Originally posted by Sharky View Post
                              The only type of system that has a chance of succeeding [is] laissez-faire capitalism
                              Demonstrating that all alternatives fail does not demonstrate that the particular system you recommend will be successful.
                              Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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