Russian Oil

[Shakespear]

Re: Russian Oil

BillBoard

If abiotic oil was a reality, no oil company would sell their depleted fields as one would expect them to refill. The facts on the ground show that depleted fields are usually sold to small time operators who get the last barrel out due to their lower operating costs. So called Stripper well operators.

[FRED]

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Mostly a lurker, too poor for premium itulip.

Take a look at this paper, astonishing claims about Russian deep wells.

http://www.behindthewizardscurtain.c...atomyofcon.pdf

After reading both sides of the abiotic oil debate extensively we concluded that abiotic oil, and gas, does exist but in such small quantities--less than a fraction of 1% of total crude oil deposits--that its contribution to the total oil supply is not relevant.

[ThePythonicCow]

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The thread is titled "Russian Oil". The only comment that was attached to the original post was about "deep [oil] wells". I don't think you can fault anyone for focussing, and responding, to only that aspect of the claims...

Yeah, you're right. Good points.

[ThePythonicCow]

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If abiotic oil was a reality, no oil company would sell their depleted fields as one would expect them to refill.

Is it possible that there exists commercially useful quantities of very deep abiotic oil, but that it replenishes far too slowly for replenishment to be commercially useful?

[Shakespear]

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The current experience in the industry is that out side of the "oil window" you simply will not see HC in the form of liquid (oil).

Geologists often refer to the temperature range in which oil forms as an "oil window"^[16]—below the minimum temperature oil remains trapped in the form of kerogen, and above the maximum temperature the oil is converted to natural gas through the process of thermal cracking. Sometimes, oil which is formed at extreme depths may migrate and become trapped at much shallower depths than where it was formed. The Athabasca Oil Sands is one example of this.

Some good info here about Abiogenic theory of oil origin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum

[GRG55]

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I think you do BillBoard's post a disservice, sir.

The paper he posts makes several important points, regarding carbon emissions, carbon credit markets, biofuels, the environment, political and financial scams, and such. It is a good read and I encourage others to read it.

Nothing in the paper depended substantially on oil fields replenishing at commercially useful rates from some abiotic source. To discredit the entire paper for something which is implicit or barely suggested and which was not significant to its points is an unfortunate distraction in my view.

The paper ties together various scams that de-industrialize the West, destroy major swaths of the environment and exterminate thousands of species through deforestration and fertilizer run-off into the oceans, and make a few investors such as at Goldman Sachs rich beyond all dreams, all based on a fabric of lies built over decades.

It's a good read.

It's an entertaining read, I'll grant.

But here's just one example from the document that was posted, that causes me to dismiss uninformed authors like this:

"...In fact, some scientists believe it is the centrifugal force of the planet’s rotation that forces abiotic oil toward the planet’s surface on a continuous basis..."

Now give this ridiculous statement a brief moment of common sense thought...

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...and ask yourself "If centrifugal forces are "forcing abiotic oil toward the plant's surface on a continuous basis" then why haven't those same "centrifugal forces" flung every one of us off the planet's surface and into outer space?"

Is there something magical that "the centrifugal forces of the planet's rotation" only work below grade? Or maybe we humans are "stickier" than abiotic oil? Any other ideas out there...

This is the sort of stuff, along with the equally idiotic assertions in the article referenced in this thread [which FRED thankfully moved to Rant and Rave], that cause me to wonder about the state of our education system. Don't we teach kids to think for themselves any more? :p

[ThePythonicCow]

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"...In fact, some scientists believe it is the centrifugal force of the planet’s rotation that forces abiotic oil toward the planet’s surface on a continuous basis..."

Well, yes, that line was rather uninformed. I'll have to give you that point.

[Shakespear]

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Is there something magical that "the centrifugal forces of the planet's rotation" only work below grade?

And what about the gravitational force opposing this effect ?? Has the author forgotten about it?

[GRG55]

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And what about the gravitational force opposing this effect ?? Has the author forgotten about it?

When I first read that line in the posted article, I was thinking about putting Velcro on the bottom of my shoes...just in case...;)

[Shakespear]

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The "author" I am thinking of is the one that wrote the article that started the thread ;)