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    Does anyone else feel that the USA and its officials just don't seem to be able to command the same level of respect and deference they used to?
    Turkish and American Diplomats Get in a Row During Clinton-Erdoğan Meeting

    A meeting between US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan in Qatar was overshadowed by a scandal between the Turkish and American diplomats.

    According to Turkish daily Today’s Zaman, that Clinton-Erdoğan meeting lasted about an hour instead of 20 minutes as previously planned. During the meeting, US Ambassador to Qatar Joseph LeBaron, saying that Clinton is running late for a planned meeting with Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, the Emir of the State of Qatar, tried to enter the room where Clinton and Erdoğan were meeting.

    “Clinton’s meeting with Qatar’s emir is more important than the meeting with the Turkish delegation,” LeBaron was reported as saying.

    The American diplomat was countered by Fuat Tanlay, advisor on foreign affairs to Turkey’s Prime Minister: “Your are not allowed to speak about Turkey and Turkey’s prime minister that way. You will have to wait till the end of the meeting.”

    According to Today’s Zaman, after this altercation, Erdoğan’s bodyguard asked Joseph LeBaron to step away from the meeting room door.


    The architect of the Doha crisis is a familiar name

    The US Ambassador LeBaron, who was responsible for attempting to interrupt a meeting between Erdoğan and Clinton, had previously spent six years assigned to Turkey.

    It turns out the US Ambassador to Doha, Joseph LeBaron, who attempted to cut a meeting short between Prime Minster Tayyip Erdoğan and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had spent a combined six years between the 1960’s and 1980’s in Istanbul, Adana as well as Ankara.

    LeBaron’s area of expertise is intelligence and he speaks Turkish, Arabic, Persian and French fluently. When a one-on-one meeting held between Erdoğan and Clinton, which was scheduled for 20 minutes, went on for an hour, LeBaron wanted to enter the room in order to alert Clinton.

    Turkish officials attempted to stop LeBaron, however when he insisted, Erdoğan's political advisor Fuat Tanlay intervened. LeBaron went on to state; “This meeting must end, Clinton has an appointment with the Sheikh of Qatar and that is a more important meeting,” Tanlay responded by stating; “You are not the one to decide our importance. You can not insult my country. That is not your place.”

    The two diplomats were at each others’ throats until they were pulled away, and afterwards, supposedly LeBaron kicked the doors in anger.

    LeBaron had served in the US military in the early 1960’s and acted as an ‘intelligence officer’ for a spell for the US Air Force base in Incirlik, Adana. LeBaron served in Adana for three years and then soon after joined the Foreign Affairs Ministry.

    Continuing his career in diplomacy, LeBaron was then assigned to Doha as the Ambassador. In the 1980’s, LeBaron came to Turkey as a diplomat and served in the US Consulate in Istanbul and later in the embassy in Ankara.
    Last edited by GRG55; February 17, 2010, 10:24 AM.

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    Re: Clash of Empires...The Ottomans take on the USA...

    Why do they actually physically go to these countries? What purpose is served by wasting resources on it?

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      Re: Clash of Empires...The Ottomans take on the USA...

      Originally posted by BadJuju View Post
      Why do they actually physically go to these countries? What purpose is served by wasting resources on it?
      I presume you are referring to the fact that Secretary Clinton was in Qatar, which is where the incident occurred?

      The largest US air base in the Persian Gulf region used to be the Prince Sultan air base outside Riyadh in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Then, in the political aftermath of Gulf War One, and the 1996 Al Khobar bombing the Al Saud family requested the US remove the majority of its military personnel from Saudi Arabia.

      So where is the air base now?
      US beefs up air base in Qatar

      By Robert BurnsAP Military Writer / July 2, 2002

      AL-UDEID AIR BASE, QATAR (AP)

      The government of Qatar is spending millions of dollars to expand Al Udeid, a remote base in the central Persian Gulf...

      ...In the past months, the US military quietly has moved munitions, equipment and communications gear to the base from Saudi Arabia, the control center for American air operations in the Gulf for more than a decade.

      About 3,300 American troops are in Qatar, mostly at Al Udeid, where the signs of an American military buildup are unmistakable...

      ...Newly built hangars for fighter aircraft are hardened to withstand aerial attack. Within view from the main 15,000-foot runway are hardened bunkers, presumably for munitions and supply storage.

      "It is likely the most capable base in the Gulf region," says William Arkin, a private military analyst...
      Al Udeid also happens to be right next door to the US Navy Fifth Fleet headquarters in the adjacent Kingdom of Bahrain.

      Makes sense now?

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