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    Clive Maund generally writes about gold and silver, and I have followed his posts on safehaven.com for the past year or so. I ask myself why I am particularly attentive to his posts, and I really don't know that he has been more likely correct than anyone else who prognosticates--I guess I like his posts because they are simple.

    He just posted an interesting analysis "China Crash - domino effect on US markets, and collateral effect on resource stocks..." http://www.safehaven.com/article-7641.htm

    One thing that caught my eye are his graphic examples of the visual difference between log charts and arithmetic charts using the Shanghai Stock Exchange Composite. If anyone thinks what happened in the US Markets from 1998 to 2000 was impressive with regard to parabolic moves, then look carefully at the SSEC to better understand just how steep a parabolic move can become.

    He also makes some possibly pertinent comments on gold stocks, and offers his opinion about stepping out of that market in the event of a "freefall" of world markets. Referencing the HUI, Maund noted, "The action over the past year does look like a large consolidation pattern, and many pundits are touting it as that, yet it hard to see how this index can do anything but get hammered if world markets go into freefall precipitated by a collapse in China."

    I think his article is worth reading.

    I cannot but believe China has to undergo a correction, if one believes bubbles pop.
    Last edited by Jim Nickerson; May 30, 2007, 11:06 AM. Reason: ENGLISH ERROR
    Jim 69 y/o

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    Re: What might happen if Chinese market ever seriously correct?

    we got a taste of this, didn't we, near the end of February 2007.

    What is most alarming is what happens with bond risk premiums in this event.

    They may suddenly widen.

    This could cause a big unwinding of the Yen Carry Trade, which according to what I have read is probably the most important global macro finance situation as it is the source of most the much-vaunted "liquidity".

    Everything would be taken down, and the only safe places would be short term sovereign debt such as US treasury notes.

    I still have some core mining stocks and physical. I don't believe you can predict the future so I hold onto this and plan to through the correction that I see coming up. But I sold most of my stocks awhile back.

    And timing of course is impossible to predict. This bubble popping could come in a year, it doesn't have to come next month. It could get far, far, far more extreme, could it not?

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    • #3
      Re: What might happen if Chinese market ever seriously corrects?

      Originally posted by grapejelly View Post
      we got a taste of this, didn't we, near the end of February 2007.

      What is most alarming is what happens with bond risk premiums in this event.

      They may suddenly widen.

      This could cause a big unwinding of the Yen Carry Trade, which according to what I have read is probably the most important global macro finance situation as it is the source of most the much-vaunted "liquidity".

      Everything would be taken down, and the only safe places would be short term sovereign debt such as US treasury notes.

      I still have some core mining stocks and physical. I don't believe you can predict the future so I hold onto this and plan to through the correction that I see coming up. But I sold most of my stocks awhile back.

      And timing of course is impossible to predict. This bubble popping could come in a year, it doesn't have to come next month. It could get far, far, far more extreme, could it not?
      Grapejelly, you are correct that timing is impossible to predict, but it has to be closer than it was a year ago.

      If it is correct that the yen carry trade is the main source of global liquidity, then doesn't that mean that there is a highly significant short position in the Yen? If so, and if the yen carry trade unwinds, then wouldn't the Yen be an asset that should appreciate? I think it will.
      Last edited by Jim Nickerson; May 28, 2007, 04:53 PM.
      Jim 69 y/o

      "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

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      • #4
        Re: What might happen if Chinese market ever seriously correct?

        if there is a big global sell-off, both the yen and the swiss franc - both the sources of carry trades - will appreciate. it is likely that the dollar will appreciate against all other currencies [not including the yen and swissie] because of the dynamics of cross currency trades [they go via the dollar].

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        • #5
          Re: What might happen if Chinese market ever seriously correct?

          I have purchased yen for the last 8 months and will continue purchasing until it starts to strengthen. I believe the yen should strengthen against other currencies as it is way undervalued ,and should have a big move against commodity currencies.
          http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...=9604#post9604



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          • #6
            Re: What might happen if Chinese market ever seriously correct?

            You know we keep looking for the "Trigger", but frankly there are so many Triggers that its more like a minefield!

            Sooner or later (By Sept ish) somebody will step on one.........and the lot will go up!

            Mike

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            • #7
              Re: What might happen if Chinese market ever seriously correct?

              what is a good easy way to buy Yen, aside from the futures market?

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              • #8
                Re: What might happen if Chinese market ever seriously correct?

                Originally posted by grapejelly View Post
                what is a good easy way to buy Yen, aside from the futures market?
                there's an etf, symbol fxy

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                • #9
                  Re: What might happen if Chinese market ever seriously correct?

                  Is there something similar for the Swiss Franc? TIA

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                  • #10
                    Re: What might happen if Chinese market ever seriously correct?

                    Originally posted by WDCRob View Post
                    Is there something similar for the Swiss Franc? TIA
                    look at fxf

                    a useful website, btw, is etfconnect.com
                    go there and search "currency" and you'll get the whole set. in general the site is a good starting point to explore both etf's and closed-end funds.

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                    • #11
                      Re: What might happen if Chinese market ever seriously corrects?

                      ka-poom.

                      Basically massive contraction in liquidity followed by recession/near depression, followed by intensive rate cutting to combat this, and then poom as inflation skyrockets. It would be a very typical itulip scenario.

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                      • #12
                        mixing up cause and effect from the last dip heard around the world?

                        I'm seeing some comments that the Chinese market will fall and then the Yen will rise.

                        But remember, Yen carry unwinding was cited as the REASON the Chinese markets fell last time.

                        There was the episode 1 and a half years ago where BOJ cut liquidity and India, Mideast markets and Precious metals fell off a cliff, Icelandic Krona and NZ dollars looked like they would implode.

                        Silver still has not recovered to the levels just before that (the Silver ETF was just around that time, so Silver's situation's different from Gold).

                        Then the most recent thing with the Chinese was that JPY rose a little and Yen Carry started unwinding, THEN, not before, the Chinese markets hiccuped.

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                        • #13
                          Re: mixing up cause and effect from the last dip heard around the world?

                          We may find out. Down 7% today.

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                          • #14
                            Re: mixing up cause and effect from the last dip heard around the world?

                            Originally posted by WDCRob View Post
                            We may find out. Down 7% today.

                            -6 TO -7% is not even an "h" in "hiccup."
                            Jim 69 y/o

                            "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                            Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                            Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                              Re: What might happen if Chinese market ever seriously correct?

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