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    A good article by Chris Hedges: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

    Aleksandr Herzen, speaking a century ago to a group of anarchists about how to overthrow the czar, reminded his listeners that it was not their job to save a dying system but to replace it: “We think we are the doctors. We are the disease.” All resistance must recognize that the body politic and global capitalism are dead. We should stop wasting energy trying to reform or appeal to it. This does not mean the end of resistance, but it does mean very different forms of resistance. It means turning our energies toward building sustainable communities to weather the coming crisis, since we will be unable to survive and resist without a cooperative effort.

    These communities, if they retreat into a pure survivalist mode without linking themselves to the concentric circles of the wider community, the state and the planet, will become as morally and spiritually bankrupt as the corporate forces arrayed against us. All infrastructures we build, like the monasteries in the Middle Ages, should seek to keep alive the intellectual and artistic traditions that make a civil society, humanism and the common good possible. Access to parcels of agricultural land will be paramount. We will have to grasp, as the medieval monks did, that we cannot alter the larger culture around us, at least in the short term, but we may be able to retain the moral codes and culture for generations beyond ours. Resistance will be reduced to small, often imperceptible acts of defiance, as those who retained their integrity discovered in the long night of 20th-century fascism and communism.

    We stand on the cusp of one of the bleakest periods in human history when the bright lights of a civilization blink out and we will descend for decades, if not centuries, into barbarity. The elites have successfully convinced us that we no longer have the capacity to understand the revealed truths presented before us or to fight back against the chaos caused by economic and environmental catastrophe. As long as the mass of bewildered and frightened people, fed images that permit them to perpetually hallucinate, exist in this state of barbarism, they may periodically strike out with a blind fury against increased state repression, widespread poverty and food shortages. But they will lack the ability and self-confidence to challenge in big and small ways the structures of control. The fantasy of widespread popular revolts and mass movements breaking the hegemony of the corporate state is just that – a fantasy.

    My analysis comes close to the analysis of many anarchists. But there is a crucial difference. The anarchists do not understand the nature of violence. They grasp the extent of the rot in our cultural and political institutions, they know they must sever the tentacles of consumerism, but they naïvely believe that it can be countered with physical forms of resistance and acts of violence. There are debates within the anarchist movement – such as those on the destruction of property – but once you start using plastic explosives, innocent people get killed. And when anarchic violence begins to disrupt the mechanisms of governance, the power elite will use these acts, however minor, as an excuse to employ disproportionate and ruthless amounts of force against real and suspected agitators, only fueling the rage of the dispossessed.

    I am not a pacifist. I know there are times, and even concede that this may eventually be one of them, when human beings are forced to respond to mounting repression with violence. I was in Sarajevo during the war in Bosnia. We knew precisely what the Serbian forces ringing the city would do to us if they broke through the defenses and trench system around the besieged city. We had the examples of the Drina Valley or the city of Vukovar, where about a third of the Muslim inhabitants had been killed and the rest herded into refugee or displacement camps. There are times when the only choice left is to pick up a weapon to defend your family, neighborhood and city. But those who proved most adept at defending Sarajevo invariably came from the criminal class. When they were not shooting at Serbian soldiers they were looting the apartments of ethnic Serbs in Sarajevo and often executing them, as well as terrorizing their fellow Muslims. When you ingest the poison of violence, even in a just cause, it corrupts, deforms and perverts you. Violence is a drug, indeed it is the most potent narcotic known to humankind. Those most addicted to violence are those who have access to weapons and a penchant for force. And these killers rise to the surface of any armed movement and contaminate it with the intoxicating and seductive power that comes with the ability to destroy. I have seen it in war after war. When you go down that road you end up pitting your monsters against their monsters. And the sensitive, the humane and the gentle, those who have a propensity to nurture and protect life, are marginalized and often killed. The romantic vision of war and violence is as prevalent among anarchists and the hard left as it is in the mainstream culture. Those who resist with force will not defeat the corporate state or sustain the cultural values that must be sustained if we are to have a future worth living. From my many years as a war correspondent in El Salvador, Guatemala, Gaza and Bosnia, I have seen that armed resistance movements are always mutations of the violence that spawned them. I am not naïve enough to think I could have avoided these armed movements had I been a landless Salvadoran or Guatemalan peasant, a Palestinian in Gaza or a Muslim in Sarajevo, but this violent response to repression is and always will be tragic. It must be avoided, although not at the expense of our own survival.

    Democracy, a system ideally designed to challenge the status quo, has been corrupted and tamed to slavishly serve the status quo. We have undergone, as John Ralston Saul writes, a coup d’état in slow motion. And the coup is over. They won. We lost. The abject failure of activists to push corporate, industrialized states toward serious environmental reform, to thwart imperial adventurism or to build a humane policy toward the masses of the world’s poor stems from an inability to recognize the new realities of power. The paradigm of power has irrevocably altered and so must the paradigm of resistance alter.
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    Re: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

    Originally posted by Rajiv View Post
    Really Fantastic find Rajiv, thank you so much.

    Your posts truly make me think.

    V/R

    JT

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      Did not a similar thing happen across Eastern Europe during the U.S.S.R. days?

      Christmas, Hannukka, ect.. was still held behind blanketed windows, home made antennae picked up european TV, local cultures and language was retained through an entire generation under communism.

      This rise of christano-fascists in America or islamo-fascists and jewish-facsists in the middle east is still on the rise. Just look at Sarah Palin's and the Teabaggers.

      The problm is that fascism is much more destructive than even communism, if you had to make the choice of Stalin or Hitler - you would correctly choose Stalin - as the allies did.

      Why is that? Fascism is a human virus / mental iillness and propagates through similar memes as relgion does - fear and ignorance.

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      • #4
        Re: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

        Originally posted by MulaMan View Post
        Did not a similar thing happen across Eastern Europe during the U.S.S.R. days?

        Christmas, Hannukka, ect.. was still held behind blanketed windows, home made antennae picked up european TV, local cultures and language was retained through an entire generation under communism.

        This rise of christano-fascists in America or islamo-fascists and jewish-facsists in the middle east is still on the rise. Just look at Sarah Palin's and the Teabaggers.

        The problm is that fascism is much more destructive than even communism, if you had to make the choice of Stalin or Hitler - you would correctly choose Stalin - as the allies did.

        Why is that? Fascism is a human virus / mental iillness and propagates through similar memes as relgion does - fear and ignorance.
        I'm glad you did at least reference some facts that we and most will probably agree ... the regimes of Hitler and Stalin were 2 of the best examples in modern history of how tyranny can lead a culture to its demise while murdering millions and causing chaos. Interesting, that neither of these regimes were "religion based", but in fact were actively hostile to religion, communism was atheistic in fact and persecuted all faiths, and the Nazis of course targeted Jews, and other faiths including Catholics. Idealizing your race as supermen for instance is not a religion but self-worship, which of course is the most ancient sin and most common heresy which ultimately leads to destruction.

        Open your eyes, acknowledge the facts, and think, and then accept what is, not what your post-modern propogandists have fed you.
        Last edited by vinoveri; February 13, 2010, 10:42 PM. Reason: backed out some rudeness

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          Re: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

          Originally posted by vinoveri View Post

          Ignore list just increased by 1.
          Make that 2.

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          • #6
            Re: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

            Originally posted by chr5648 View Post
            Make that 2.

            Again, thank you Rajiv.

            What's with all threads turning into a "Blacklist MULAMAN FEST"?

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              Re: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

              Originally posted by jtabeb View Post
              Really Fantastic find Rajiv, thank you so much.

              Your posts truly make me think.

              V/R

              JT
              I don't even know where to begin with the piece. Don't have the time to write about it, including the debate that this will turn into, but it's the same debate.

              Critical thinkers must understand Revolution Within The Form or they'll become victims too.

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                Re: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

                There seems to be no shortage of Anglo American essayists who see the world as a strictly American problem, and who seem to be able to think only in extremes. This is dangerous.

                The entire planet seems to be up against it in one way or another, and yet there is no attention paid to the more reasonable shades of discussion between black and white. Guns, survivalists, tiny independent communities of circled wagons and heroic John Wayne's defending their rugged individualism. More guns.

                Fine lot of good that does for engaging folks in Ghana, Brazil, or Uzbekistan. Unless a discussion can address the issue of a crumbling economic system as it affects the 95% of the globe that is not American, that discussion is not just wasted time, it threatens to build a wall between America, and the world.

                Which may then become a self fulfilling prophecy of guns, survivalists, and tiny independent communities of circled wagons defended by heroic John Wayne's.
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                • #9
                  Re: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

                  Originally posted by vinoveri View Post
                  Idealizing your race as supermen for instance is not a religion but self-worship, which of course is the most ancient sin and most common heresy which ultimately leads to destruction.
                  This seems to be an equally bold statement.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

                    Originally posted by WildspitzE View Post
                    I don't even know where to begin with the piece. Don't have the time to write about it, including the debate that this will turn into, but it's the same debate.

                    Critical thinkers must understand Revolution Within The Form or they'll become victims too.
                    The question is does the From allow for revolution to come from within (to preserve the system, albeit in a fairer more just form) or does the revolution come from without which results in utter chaos and social disintegration.

                    (One would hope that the elites UNDERSTAND that these are the TWO and only two choices that we can make at this point, and that their selfish sense of self preservation is enough to lead us towards the former, rather than the latter.)

                    One would HOPE, anyway.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

                      Originally posted by Aetius Romulous View Post

                      Which may then become a self fulfilling prophecy of guns, survivalists, and tiny independent communities of circled wagons defended by heroic John Wayne's.
                      Prudence DICTATES that we all hedge this outcome appropriately (in what ever way is appliciable to each indvidual person). That being said, I (and I think everyone else) is NOT TARGETING that result as our desired outcome (correct me here if I'm wrong).

                      I prefer to think of it as maintaining a credible capability to adapt should the SHTF WHILE working ACTIVELY to persue a much more desireable (and equitable and just) Global outcome.

                      Fair enough?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

                        He warned that a financial system always devolves, without heavy government control, into a Mafia capitalism – and a Mafia political system – which is a good description of our financial and political structure. A self-regulating market, Polanyi wrote, turns human beings and the natural environment into commodities, a situation that ensures the destruction of both society and the natural environment. The free market’s assumption that nature and human beings are objects whose worth is determined by the market allows each to be exploited for profit until exhaustion or collapse. A society that no longer recognizes that nature and human life have a sacred dimension, an intrinsic value beyond monetary value, commits collective suicide. Such societies cannibalize themselves until they die. This is what we are undergoing.
                        An interesting essay and the author gets a lot of points right. Where he veers off into the ditch is best illustrated by the above quote-- the underlying assumption he makes is that "heavy government control" is some kind of solution to our problems. Which of course is exactly THE PROBLEM, not the solution-- our financial system is centrally controlled and managed by the federal reserve which is ostensibly an agent of the government. The problem of course is not whether we have government control or not, the problem is, who stands behind that government control. Governments are agents of the people and, like any agent, can be co-opted.

                        Ultimately the author fails to understand that our current situation is a crisis of moral hazard, and government cannot regulate morality. The only real solution is to structure a system that precludes moral hazard in the first place.

                        How to do that? the solution is fairly obvious. The biggest source of moral hazard is the corporate form of governance. We live in a world where, in 150 years, the corporate form has transformed itself from a heavily managed and strictly limited legal structure, to one which is almost completely unmanaged and with powers superior to that of natural human beings.

                        This is not a new problem. Wikipedia "Mortmain" and read it carefully. Take note of the solution devised in the middle ages (!).

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                        • #13
                          Re: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

                          Originally posted by BuckarooBanzai View Post
                          An interesting essay and the author gets a lot of points right. Where he veers off into the ditch is best illustrated by the above quote-- the underlying assumption he makes is that "heavy government control" is some kind of solution to our problems. Which of course is exactly THE PROBLEM, not the solution-- our financial system is centrally controlled and managed by the federal reserve which is ostensibly an agent of the government. The problem of course is not whether we have government control or not, the problem is, who stands behind that government control. Governments are agents of the people and, like any agent, can be co-opted.

                          Ultimately the author fails to understand that our current situation is a crisis of moral hazard, and government cannot regulate morality. The only real solution is to structure a system that precludes moral hazard in the first place.

                          How to do that? the solution is fairly obvious. The biggest source of moral hazard is the corporate form of governance. We live in a world where, in 150 years, the corporate form has transformed itself from a heavily managed and strictly limited legal structure, to one which is almost completely unmanaged and with powers superior to that of natural human beings.

                          This is not a new problem. Wikipedia "Mortmain" and read it carefully. Take note of the solution devised in the middle ages (!).

                          Right. What you are saying is: a government captured by corporate interests, like what we have in the U.S., is an ineffectual regulatory force. Worse, it is complicit in advancing the corporate agenda.

                          But clearly, the only hope there is to regulate corporate interests is government. The key is to devise a government that is not controlled by corporate interests.

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                            Re: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

                            Originally posted by Chomsky View Post
                            Right. What you are saying is: a government captured by corporate interests, like what we have in the U.S., is an ineffectual regulatory force. Worse, it is complicit in advancing the corporate agenda.

                            But clearly, the only hope there is to regulate corporate interests is government. The key is to devise a government that is not controlled by corporate interests.
                            Egg, meet Chicken, Chicken, EAT EGG.

                            Something is going to have to get "EATEN", it will either be the government or the corporation, both can't be left sanding in their present form at the end of this, one is going to have to go down. (I hope GS and JPM aren't the winners in all of this, what an awful existance awaits humanity if corporate "values" determine a human's well being).

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                            • #15
                              Re: Zero Point of Systemic Collapse

                              Originally posted by jtabeb View Post
                              Egg, meet Chicken, Chicken, EAT EGG.

                              Something is going to have to get "EATEN", ...
                              Yeah - but the timing is still unclear to me.

                              We might be in for one more round of some sort of monster mutated chicken before such a collapse.


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