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    Yes Virginia, we revile them but government is the only chance most Americans have for a square deal. However, not this one :eek:

    February 5, 2010
    Lobbying Imperils Overhaul of Student Loans

    By ERIC LICHTBLAU

    WASHINGTON — Four months ago, it appeared all but certain that the White House and Democrats in Congress would succeed in overhauling the student loan business and ending government subsidies to private lenders.
    President Obama called the idea a “no-brainer” last fall, predicting it would take billions of dollars from the profits of private lenders and give it directly to students, and many colleges were already moving to get loans directly from the federal government in anticipation of the next move by Congress.
    But an aggressive lobbying campaign by the nation’s biggest student lenders has now put one of the White House’s signature plans in peril, with lenders using sit-downs with lawmakers, town-hall-style meetings and petition drives to plead their case and stay in business.
    House and Senate aides say that the administration’s plan faces a far tougher fight than it did last fall, when the House passed its version.

    Sallie Mae, a publicly traded company that is the nation’s biggest student lender with $22 billion in loans originated last year, led the field in spending $8 million on lobbying in 2009, more than double the year before, and other lenders spent millions of dollars more, according to an analysis prepared for The New York Times by the Center for Responsive Politics.
    Political action committees for the lenders and company employees made $2.1 million in political contributions last year, with the money split evenly among Democrat and Republican candidates, the data showed. Sallie Mae’s PAC alone made $194,000 in donations.


    “We anticipated this,” Arne Duncan, the education secretary, said of the lending industry’s lobbying efforts. “They’ve had a sweet deal. They’ve had this phenomenal deal that taxpayers have subsidized, and that’s a hard thing to give up.”
    Private lenders get a cut of the federally backed loans that they originate and service, with little risk of their own. At Sallie Mae, lobbyists for the firm are focusing on senators regarded as fiscal conservatives, as well as those in states that are home to lending centers with jobs at stake, including Florida, Illinois, Nebraska, New York and Pennsylvania, said John F. Remondi, chief financial officer for the company.



    The money that would be saved by cutting out the private-industry middlemen — about $80 billion over the next decade, according to a Congressional Budget Office analysis — could instead go toward expanding direct Pell Grants to students, establishing $10,000 tax credits for families with loans, and forgiving debts eventually for students who go into public service, administration officials say.
    The bill would also shift tens of billions of dollars in expected savings to early learning programs, community colleges and the modernization of public school facilities.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/us...ef=todayspaper



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  • #2
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    don, reading your posts... so true & on the mark yet... it's like...

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      forgiving debts eventually for students who go into public service, administration officials say.
      How nice of them, since we all know those in public service and administration officials are doing the lord's work...

      As long as government has the power to decide who wins and loses, you will have businessmen, unions, associates etc. trying to buy favors from government. And they can be creative at it to. Even if you would ban lobbying you would still have this happen.

      A businessman cannot buy favors from a bureaucrat who has no favors to sell I believe Sheldon Richman said that quote.

      I always laugh when people want bigger government and lesser influence from corporations, unions and organizations. The two go hand in hand.

      edit: forgot to add, i meant mostly subsidies in the form cheap student loans, scholarships etc. Universities can charge what they want mostly because they know not many of their students will feel the total cost of it. Similar to the housing bubble everyone was buying a house because they weren't really paying for it.


      As for student loans, it is the government student loan subsidies that cause tuition cost to go up so high, or at least a big part of it.
      Last edited by tsetsefly; February 06, 2010, 02:10 PM.

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        Government loan subsidies do not make university tuition go up. The fact is that the states have significantly cut their subsidies to state universities since the 1970's.

        Example: I got an MBA from Univeristy of Houston (part of U of Texas system) in 1978. My cost: $200 per semester for tuition. Student loans and grants were readily available then too - in fact, at that time, most were directly handled by federal and state government, not privitized like they are now. So Wall Street was not getting a cut.

        Today the U of Texas tuituin cost is around $5000 per semester for state residents. And Texas continues to cost-shift to students by raising tuition - it's a policy that's been casuing some uproar lately, as costs have risen and risen far beyond reach of many families and students.

        Part of the reason is that monies that were spent subsidizing state universties have been shifted, since 1980's, to building more prisons and incacerating a lot more people for longer sentences. The states only have so much money to spread around.

        Another reason is that today the U.S. is far more of a "every man for himself" type of society. If you can't pay, you don't play. Back then (the 1960's and 1970's, whcih I remember quite well), there was more of a sense of investing in the "common good". Thought was that by providing an affordable education to the young, a society and a state was investing in its future. A good university system was a source of civic pride.

        California university sysem as envisioned by Dr. Kerr in late 1960's is a good example. Another is my alma mater, Univeristy of Illinois at Chicago Circle, opened after being championed by Mayor Daley, in 1966, who fought to get a U of Ill campus built in Chicago.

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          The Banks Win...Again...Surprise!

          Two months of Senate negotiations over legislation to rewrite financial regulations — a top priority of the Obama administration — fell apart on Friday amid wrangling over a proposal to create a consumer financial protection agency that would oversee credit cards, mortgages and other products.

          The chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut, said that Democrats would forge ahead with their own proposal, in the absence of Republican support. That could result in a bitter partisan fight resembling the struggle over health care — an outcome that Mr. Dodd has said for months he would try to avoid.

          The administration, which has announced a series of initiatives to help small businesses and is seeking Senate action on a jobs bill next week, gave a guarded response to the breakdown in talks. “Enacting comprehensive financial reform remains an urgent priority and we believe it is important that the process move forward,” the deputy Treasury secretary, Neal S. Wolin, said.

          “With health care having been the center of attention until now, people weren’t focused on the solution, because Congress hadn’t focused.”

          ...:rolleyes:...:eek:

          http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/06/bu...l?ref=business

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            Originally posted by World Traveller
            Government loan subsidies do not make university tuition go up. The fact is that the states have significantly cut their subsidies to state universities since the 1970's.
            That may be true. But it is definitely true that the pension schemes plus employee benefits are a major driving factor in tuition increases - and tuition, salaries, and benefits are a secondary effect of asset price inflation (in this case, education).

            I've posted earlier that the UC system tuition increases in 2009 were largely due to the UC system having to contribute an extra $95M to its pension scheme; the $80M tuition increase was necessary despite record UC revenues due to stimulus funds infusion.

            The best part of that was the 2010 extra pension contribution was slated to be $150M.

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              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
              That may be true. But it is definitely true that the pension schemes plus employee benefits are a major driving factor in tuition increases - and tuition, salaries, and benefits are a secondary effect of asset price inflation (in this case, education).

              I've posted earlier that the UC system tuition increases in 2009 were largely due to the UC system having to contribute an extra $95M to its pension scheme; the $80M tuition increase was necessary despite record UC revenues due to stimulus funds infusion.

              The best part of that was the 2010 extra pension contribution was slated to be $150M.
              I wrote a topic on this which I was surprised to see get so few responses, it was about state employee wages, benefits and pensions and how they are so out of whack with not only these times but non-state employees wages, pensions, benefits etc.

              No Recession for state employees!

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              • #8
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                Actually it is going to get worse, because the pensions are all underfunded, so the promising is way ahead of the paying. The black magic of pension accounting makes it easy to sweep all this crap under the rug. Do you really think pension plans did any better than anybody else's investment portfolios during the last couple of years? Also, many are not managed by folks that understood the risks they were taking. I know of a couple of WAY over leveraged large corporations whose JUNIOR debt is held by pension funds. Frosty day in Hades before that principal gets repaid. The government entity that backstops all pension plans doesn't get a lot of press, but betcha their reserves are totally inadequate.

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                  Originally posted by rosgal View Post
                  Actually it is going to get worse, because the pensions are all underfunded, so the promising is way ahead of the paying. The black magic of pension accounting makes it easy to sweep all this crap under the rug. Do you really think pension plans did any better than anybody else's investment portfolios during the last couple of years? Also, many are not managed by folks that understood the risks they were taking. I know of a couple of WAY over leveraged large corporations whose JUNIOR debt is held by pension funds. Frosty day in Hades before that principal gets repaid. The government entity that backstops all pension plans doesn't get a lot of press, but betcha their reserves are totally inadequate.
                  Widespread default of pensions could have a galvanizing effect on parts of the US population not normally engaged in politics. May you live in interesting times.

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