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  • Every Human should be short US T bills

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...uC5VIFeo&pos=6
    mike

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    Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

    "The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent” (or, “The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent") is a statement often attributed to economist John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946). There is no record that Keynes ever said it or wrote it.

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    • #3
      Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

      Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
      "The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent” (or, “The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent") is a statement often attributed to economist John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946). There is no record that Keynes ever said it or wrote it.
      And yet it's true. For what it's worth, while I have some minor shorts on treasuries, I don't think it is worth going whole hog -- yet. Eurozone in trouble, Japan hasn't been well for decades, bubble worries in China.

      Yes, the US sucks, but it is (again) in the enviable position of being the best out of a bunch of poor choices (for now). We may yet get another flight to "quality" where people are worried instead of appreciation of capital, the *return* of capital.

      Sigh....well, just gives me a chance to add PMs and maybe some decent stocks this time (I made a decent list from the last lows).

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      • #4
        Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

        While being long T's is bad, being short them can blow up - hard.

        The better trade is to short silver/gold/commods/CAD/AUD etc

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        • #5
          Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

          Originally posted by phirang View Post
          While being long T's is bad, being short them can blow up - hard.

          The better trade is to short silver/gold/commods/CAD/AUD etc
          True -- I'm just holding a few TBTs to keep a toe in the water.

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            Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

            Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
            "The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent” (or, “The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent") is a statement often attributed to economist John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946). There is no record that Keynes ever said it or wrote it.
            "It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings" - Some Famous Economist

            (the only economist or analyst I listen to)

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            • #7
              Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

              setting aside for the moment the astonishingly poor performance of his fund, how exactly do I "short US treasuries" and which counter party should I trust?

              I just read that Greek banks are major holders of Greek CDS. How does that work? Who pays off in the event of default?

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              • #8
                Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

                Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
                setting aside for the moment the astonishingly poor performance of his fund, how exactly do I "short US treasuries" and which counter party should I trust?

                I just read that Greek banks are major holders of Greek CDS. How does that work? Who pays off in the event of default?
                buy TBT like Jpatter said above.
                http://seekingalpha.com/article/1121...lly-flow-again
                It's the Debt, stupid!!

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                • #9
                  Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

                  Originally posted by Mega View Post
                  Every Human should be short US T bills
                  These words should have attached:

                  Warning! Highly risky speculation!

                  Why? Everybody knows UST are going down. The case against UST is strong. And well known, front-burner stuff, to every hedge fund manager, mutual fund manager, Wall Street investment bank, and trading desk in the world. And you think the market has not yet fully priced this in?

                  Yes, UST are in a long term bear market. But stocks are too, and you sure didn't want to short them on March 6, 2009, did you?
                  Finster
                  ...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

                    Originally posted by phirang View Post
                    While being long T's is bad, being short them can blow up - hard.

                    The better trade is to short silver/gold/commods/CAD/AUD etc
                    Hey...quit telling people to short everything I own.
                    "...the western financial system has already failed. The failure has just not yet been realized, while the system remains confident that it is still alive." Jesse

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                    • #11
                      Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

                      Fin
                      How much more down side has the stock market got....9,000 ish?
                      Mike

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                      • #12
                        Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

                        Originally posted by Mega View Post
                        Fin
                        How much more down side has the stock market got....9,000 ish?
                        Mike
                        Funny, I was about to ask you that question ... ;)

                        If you'd've asked a couple hours ago, I'd have said yes. Since then, we had one of those V-shaped formations that typically marks bottoms, this one probably good enough for at least a short term bottom. Pull up an intraday chart of the S&P to see what I mean. It was just enough to kick my short-term computer model into slightly positive mode, too. But just slightly. And the next two longer term figures still are in the red. In sum, a luke-warmish picture suggesting at least a pause in the selloff if not an outright reversal.
                        Finster
                        ...

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                        • #13
                          Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

                          Can't fathom this at all:-
                          http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2010...d-catastrophe/

                          Mike

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                          • #14
                            Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

                            Originally posted by Mega View Post
                            Not even gonna try. Basic rule of thumb: If it's complicated or gimmicky, don't get into it. All the more so if it looks like it can't go wrong. Let's see ... if everybody had played by that rule since 2000 ...
                            Finster
                            ...

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                            • #15
                              Re: Every Human should be short US T bills

                              Taleb got his ass kicked Friday...

                              I'm still waiting for gold to breach 1k, and I'm pretty confident it will. I might actually get some Feb/March GLD puts... hmm. Let's wait for a moron rally, eh?

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