Growth is not possible

[Starving Steve]

Re: Growth is not possible

Everything you said before the last 2 posts made sense. The last 2 posts make no sense though. Wasn't war in Iraq supposed to achieve similar goals?

Since So-Damn-Insane has been removed from the scene in Iraq, the nation is little changed or maybe slightly quieter. But Lebonon is quiet now. Syria is quiet now. Jordon is friends with Isreal. The West Bank is quieter. Gaza is quieter. Egypt is friends with Isreal. Turkey is fine. Kuwait is fine. Qatar is fine. Saudi-Arabia is fine.

Problem areas that remain: Somali pirates, Yemen's Islamo-fascists, Afganistan's Taliban, Pakistan's Taliban, and a very festering and malignant Iran, worse now than ever.

I give credit where credit is due to the Bushes: getting rid of So-Damn-Insane was a good move. The Middle East is better for having done so.;)

[friendly_jacek]

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I give credit where credit is due to the Bushes: getting rid of So-Damn-Insane was a good move. The Middle East is better for having done so.;)

Yes, because the hatred between arabs and israelis and persians was channeled to hatred between arabs and americans.

And USA rapidly approached an economic breaking point. Wars have that nasty habit of bankrupting nations. No exception here.

[thriftyandboringinohio]

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Wars have that nasty habit of bankrupting nations. No exception here.

From Wikipedia on Louis the 14th, the sun king of France:

foreign, military and domestic expenditure bankrupted the State and may have contributed to the revolution...

Foreign military adventures are among the most costly things a nation can undertake, and any number of great empires have fallen when the leaders got too big for their britches and started campaigns of conquest for personal glory (hidden, of course, behind some fig leaf of justification or rationalization).

[neoken]

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2050 End of the growth era

Not sure if Didier SORNETTE has been mentioned on iTulip, but he's worth watching I think.

The creepy thing is how he coincides with the Technological Singularity movement, Ray Kurzweil projects tech exponential growth out to about 2040.

[thriftyandboringinohio]

Re: Growth is not possible

Nothing is impossible for God including continued exponential growth -- take it to the "Limitless"

Randy Meisner on bass and vocals -old stuff for them. I like Timothy B. Schmidt better.

[Rajiv]

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Jim,

As humans, we have to act as humans, and it is not for us to determine what the Divine will is. We have to act intelligently and compassionately to determine the solutions to the vast problems that we see around us. It is imperative for us to come together and not allow this planet to be destroyed in order for us to gratify our petty needs. And I strongly believe that unless we can change, the destruction of much of the life on this planet becomes inevitable.

[jiimbergin]

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Jim,

As humans, we have to act as humans, and it is not for us to determine what the Divine will is. We have to act intelligently and compassionately to determine the solutions to the vast problems that we see around us. It is imperative for us to come together and not allow this planet to be destroyed in order for us to gratify our petty needs. And I strongly believe that unless we can change, the destruction of much of the life on this planet becomes inevitable.

I agree that God does not need our help and each must do what he believes is necessary, although I do believe that we should act after we pray about it.

[dummass]

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Right around 1000 AD, right? ;)

So, forget about whether growth is possible (although I agree we are at the end of that rope)... why is it desirable?

I tend to be a critic of most dogma. These population growth charts are based upon "known" populations. This would appear to be a Euro-centric view of human history. What was actually know of world population in the year 1000 AD? Was there an accurate world census being reported during all of human history?

The so called "hiccup" during the black plague is one such example. Nowhere do you see the large die offs of the Maya or the Inca, just to name two.

[sunskyfan]

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Some people would prefer to die for belief than live with reason.

[sunskyfan]

Re: Growth is not possible

Sorry, I think I would have preferred a no-fly zone for another decade and spending that trillion dollars building my kids better schools, my parents a better medical system, and myself a more efficient transportation system.

War is not an engine of progress.