Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

[medved]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

Only if some energy source replaces oil, something with enormous capacity that produces lots of energy for little effort.

So far, jtabeb is the only one I see claiming this can be done, and I'm way too poor to pay the price of admission, so cannot vet his plan.

Without such an energy source, we will not repeat the last century. We might achieve some even finer more sustainable civilization using less energy, "the likes of which we can barely imagine", as you say. But that's not what I'd call a "boom".

IMHO, we will eventually find a replacement. God and technology work in mysterious ways.

I think, being hurt by peak cheap oil is not so bad as it seems. It will take a while (years, if not decades), especially taking into account we will soon have peak cheap everything (some serious inflation). Eventually, with the help of god and technology, we will adjust.

A bigger problem is not the absence of the future "boom". It is the willingness of Americans and citizens of other Western countries to sacrifice their freedom and traditional culture for more "security" and universal gov't "solution" for their economic problems. This process is very destructive and much more damaging than peak cheap oil.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

A bigger problem is not the absence of the future "boom". It is the willingness of Americans and citizens of other Western countries to sacrifice their freedom and traditional culture for more "security" and universal gov't "solution" for their economic problems. This process is very destructive and much more damaging than peak cheap oil.

Excellent point, medved. Thanks for reminding us.

[charliebrown]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

hmm, i used to get 40mpg in my 95 mazda 323. I still own the car, but I don't do long highway trips, and I have noticed the fuel economy dipping.
I know only get 32 city. I don't think I ran the air on my record breaking
trip, it was April. Chicago to Dayton via interstate. I am thinking of replacing the car because of rust, but when I looked at its equivalent mazda 3 the milage was significantly less (what's up with that?)

since my car was a 95, it seems feasible to squeak more efficency out of a car, if that were one of the top 3 design goals.

Anyhow Steve I agree with you mostly. All energy sources need to be on the table. We are heading toward a dark future. Dont the eco-facists realize that if we increase the price of energy, that it's going to be the poor that suffer the most. I can afford $10.00 gas to get to work.
The guy who has low paying job, and lives in exurbia because he cant afford to live in suburbia, is not going to earn enough to pay for his gas.

[rjwjr]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

If I were to have anymore children (rather unlikely given my age (substantial) and my marital status (none)) I'd home school them. Schools these days have become politically correct indoctrination centers.

You could offer your services to impregnate one partner of a lesbian couple that is looking to have children. You could throw in home schooling to sweeten the deal. Good luck in spreading the seed.

[Verdred]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

Add to the ten mega-oil fields listed in Forbes Magazine, there is also oil in the Santa Catalina Channel off of Los Angeles. There is also oil in the Gulf of Mexico, recently discovered. There is also the oil sands of Alberta with about an 800 year life to them. There is also the un-developed Hibernia Oil Field off of Newfoundland. There is also exploration to be done off the East Coast of the U.S. There is also the entire frontier of synthetic oil from coal, also realistically and affordably priced bio-fuels and alcohol fuels, still to be developed in the world market. There is also rejuvenated life in old oil fields through side-a-ways drilling and fracking of shale. There is also new oil to be taken from southern Saskatchewan and in North Dakota, possibly new oil from Pennsylvania, as well. Tallisman is rejuvenating life into the North Sea Oil Field.

Environmentalism and defeatism are mental illnesses and should be treated as such. These illnesses first appeared in the 1960s on college campuses. Pot-smoking was a symptom of these mental illnesses.

Compare the achievements ( or lack of achievements ) of environmentalists to-day to the achievements of Americans in our parents' generation. Witness the achievement of William Mulhulland, for example, who achieved the solution to Southern California's water shortage:

"There's your water; now go take it." (William Mulhulland, City of Los Angeles)

...and I got twenty cents in my couch, and ten bucks in my wallet, and thousands of pennies in a jar... I'm sure I'm a millionaire

Oh, and, you suspected I was referring to your posts. All that pot and yet you're still pretty sharp (admit you are a self-hating pot smoker steve, we all know it to be true).

'"There's your water; now go take it." (William Mulhulland, City of Los Angeles)': Yeah, I wouldn't go there. But I think the greed in that statement goes to your mental illness and if I had to pick between empire-lusting bastards like you and (apparently unnamed) "defeatist" environmentalists, well, I guess we know who I'll be putting into an institution.

If someone wants to flag this just go ahead and take the one above it as well, because they're both fighting words: passively calling posters "defeatists" and mentally ill is just not helpful; i.e. put a sock in steve. and yes, I was being passive aggressive as well, but these repeated anti-environmentalists ON A PERSONAL LEVEL is offensive, its getting old, and I'm telling you as such, and yet you keep posting these hair-brained comments. Its clutter. Its annoying. AND IT DETRACTS FROM YOUR LEGITIMATE INPUT. Notice how my comment was wry and intelligent, sort of a friendly way to say, enough already.

Disclaimer: I am environmentalist to the point that I've made the brilliant leap in logic that I live in an environment and I am not personally offended by the remarks. I would take the same position if someone was attacking right-wing christian conservatives, blacks, jews, immigrants, etc.

[Verdred]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

Driving a Hummer, the true measure of happiness. I'll call your eco-religion, and raise you one petro-theism. :rolleyes:

http://www.markfiore.com/petrotheism_0

And I love the switcheroo of putting the problem at the feet of environmentalism. There must be a tactical phrase for this manuever: kid A goes in and starts eating cookies out of a jar. Kid B says, "You know you are going to get a stomach ache, you're not going to have any for later, mom's going to get angry", etc. Kid A says, "You worry too much, you're cramping my style, you're mentall ill, etc" and then, seeing that the cookies are running a little low and mom is pulling up in her car, goes and puts the jar and scattered cookie remnants in Kid B's room. When mom comes in Kid A is ready to point the finger.

Its brilliant. Who has their Sun Tzu phrases at the ready?

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

You could offer your services to impregnate one partner of a lesbian couple that is looking to have children. You could throw in home schooling to sweeten the deal. Good luck in spreading the seed.

The fires of lust may dim slowly over the decades, but the fantasies of love between man and woman spring eternal in the human breast ...er somewhere

[Starving Steve]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

...and I got twenty cents in my couch, and ten bucks in my wallet, and thousands of pennies in a jar... I'm sure I'm a millionaire

Oh, and, you suspected I was referring to your posts. All that pot and yet you're still pretty sharp (admit you are a self-hating pot smoker steve, we all know it to be true).

'"There's your water; now go take it." (William Mulhulland, City of Los Angeles)': Yeah, I wouldn't go there. But I think the greed in that statement goes to your mental illness and if I had to pick between empire-lusting bastards like you and (apparently unnamed) "defeatist" environmentalists, well, I guess we know who I'll be putting into an institution.

I think it is a fair question to ask, especially now, especially when zero has been accomplished by the Obama Administration in America: "What have the environmentalists done to make the world better? What have the environmentalists done to make the Democratic Party better in America? What have the environmentalists done to make the NDP better in Canada?

I won't even get into this pot-smoking of the environmentalists. I won't even get into the drug-dealing and criminal activities of environmentalists, especially in northern California, and especially here in British Columbia.... I will put these issues aside for now. Just answer the question: "What have environmentalists done to make the world better? Have they lowered the cost of living of working people? Have they made housing more affordable for workers? Have they made cities more livable? Have they accomplished anything tangible like William Mulholland did for Los Angeles?"

End of my reply and resumption of your comment:

If someone wants to flag this just go ahead and take the one above it as well, because they're both fighting words: passively calling posters "defeatists" and mentally ill is just not helpful; i.e. put a sock in steve. and yes, I was being passive aggressive as well, but these repeated anti-environmentalists ON A PERSONAL LEVEL is offensive, its getting old, and I'm telling you as such, and yet you keep posting these hair-brained comments. Its clutter. Its annoying. AND IT DETRACTS FROM YOUR LEGITIMATE INPUT. Notice how my comment was wry and intelligent, sort of a friendly way to say, enough already.

Disclaimer: I am environmentalist to the point that I've made the brilliant leap in logic that I live in an environment and I am not personally offended by the remarks. I would take the same position if someone was attacking right-wing christian conservatives, blacks, jews, immigrants, etc.

My post was above.

Again, I think of the accomplishments of William Mulholland, civil servant and engineer for the Los Angeles Dept. of Water and Power, with an accomplishment such as providing water for Los Angeles and the opening of its San Fernando Valley for housing; Governor Pat Brown of California, Democrat, with an accomplishment such as the opening of the California Water Project; President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Democrat, with accomplisments such as FDIC, FSLIC, Social Security, the Glass-Stiegal Act, the SF Bay Bridge, the Golden Gate Bridge, the TVA ; President Harry S. Truman, Democrat, with accomplishments such as the Truman Fair Deal for people, and the beginning of construction on the St. Lawrence Seaway, etc.

And then I look at the Obama Administration and zero. NOTHING except for maybe "Cash for Clunkers". And why is that? And naturally, I begin to ask some questions, especially questions for the radical environmentalists who seem now to be running the Democratic Party.

[LargoWinch]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

A bigger problem is not the absence of the future "boom". It is the willingness of Americans and citizens of other Western countries to sacrifice their freedom and traditional culture for more "security" and universal gov't "solution" for their economic problems. This process is very destructive and much more damaging than peak cheap oil.

I would like however to point out that while one can be "reformed" the other simply cannot.

In other words, if I had to choose between Universal government solution and Peak Cheap Oil, I would opt for the former as it can be reversed.

[rjwjr]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

And I love the switcheroo of putting the problem at the feet of environmentalism. There must be a tactical phrase for this manuever: kid A goes in and starts eating cookies out of a jar. Kid B says, "You know you are going to get a stomach ache, you're not going to have any for later, mom's going to get angry", etc. Kid A says, "You worry too much, you're cramping my style, you're mentall ill, etc" and then, seeing that the cookies are running a little low and mom is pulling up in her car, goes and puts the jar and scattered cookie remnants in Kid B's room. When mom comes in Kid A is ready to point the finger.

Its brilliant. Who has their Sun Tzu phrases at the ready?

I believe the current tactical phrase for this manuever is "Politics"?

[Serge_Tomiko]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

IMHO, we will eventually find a replacement. God and technology work in mysterious ways.

I don't think your personal faith is justification for gambling with the fate of human civilization.

[Starving Steve]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

I still am asking my question: What have all of the radical environmentalists now setting the Democratic Party agenda in America (not to mention, now setting the NDP agenda in British Columbia) done to make my life easier as a semi-retired senior citizen? My cost-of-living hasn't gone down; in fact, my cost-of-living has hyper-inflated with hyper-inflating utility costs and rising property taxation, new carbon taxation, multiple sales-taxes, and outrageous permit-costs/delays from government (as I discovered last year when I had my garage built).

And then came the punch-line last year, when my retirement savings invested in stocks went down by 35% thanks to the policies of de-regulation, repeal of the Glass-Stiegal Act thanks to President Clinton, and the control of the stock market in dark markets (after 4PM Eastern Time) run by Goldman-Sachs. Then Bernanke bailed-out the bankers who created the mess in the first place, and Obama re-appointed Bernanke to the Fed this year.

And on top of all this, my provincial bonds were all re-called by govn't, so the money that I had saved to live on (by generating bond income) was destroyed. Again, thank Bernanke and his clone, Mark Carney picked from Goldman-Sachs to head the Bank of Canada, and thank their new zero-interest rate policy. That ZIRP made the senior citizens the patsies for government debt funded at zero cost to government.

I think it is time for an answer: How have windmills and solar panels improved my life? How have stimulus plans and bank bail-outs improved my life? How has the ZIRP improved my life? How has governmentalization of the entire economy improved my life? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[jk]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

I still am asking my question: What have all of the radical environmentalists now setting the Democratic Party agenda in America (not to mention, now setting the NDP agenda in British Columbia) done to make my life easier as a semi-retired senior citizen? My cost-of-living hasn't gone down; in fact, my cost-of-living has hyper-inflated with hyper-inflating utility costs and rising property taxation, new carbon taxation, multiple sales-taxes, and outrageous permit-costs/delays from government (as I discovered last year when I had my garage built).

And then came the punch-line last year, when my retirement savings invested in stocks went down by 35% thanks to the policies of de-regulation, repeal of the Glass-Stiegal Act thanks to President Clinton, and the control of the stock market in dark markets (after 4PM Eastern Time) run by Goldman-Sachs. Then Bernanke bailed-out the bankers who created the mess in the first place, and Obama re-appointed Bernanke to the Fed this year.

And on top of all this, my provincial bonds were all re-called by govn't, so the money that I had saved to live on (by generating bond income) was destroyed. Again, thank Bernanke and his clone, Mark Carney picked from Goldman-Sachs to head the Bank of Canada, and thank their new zero-interest rate policy. That ZIRP made the senior citizens the patsies for government debt funded at zero cost to government.

I think it is time for an answer: How have windmills and solar panels improved my life? How have stimulus plans and bank bail-outs improved my life? How has the ZIRP improved my life? How has governmentalization of the entire economy improved my life? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

i guess i'll break it to you, steve. it's not about you.

[Shakespear]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

it's not about you.

How True !!!!:mad:

[Starving Steve]

Re: Top 10 oil fields (Cantarell kaput)

i guess i'll break it to you, steve. it's not about you.

The ZIRP has destroyed my income, and that is not just it about me, it is about YOUR income too: If I can't consume, you can't sell, at least not to me. So the de-flation goes full-circle.

There is something very interesting going on with the ZIRP, i.e, incomes fall and prices de-flate. Workers like me are on their knees.

This is something I don't understand, but it is very interesting: How can govn'ts print forever, and prices fall?

So what goes on in my little world, is very much a part of what is going on in your world too. Or if it isn't happening now in your world, it soon will be.

Greenspan and Bernanke must have observed Japan and learned something. What did they learn about the ZIRP?:confused:

Everything really boils down to answering this one question: what is the magic of the ZIRP? And I noticed this morning that oil is strong on world markets, and yet oil demand is soft, and gasoline prices are soft. Again, the lack of demand in the gasoline market negates the money-printing by the governments. So, this is quite a story, and this story is unfolding in all of the markets, not just the energy market.

I have one piece of the puzzle, and you must have a piece too. What is the solution to this puzzle: What is the answer?

Another piece of the puzzle: Silicon Valley is empty. Workers are gone. Yet another piece of the puzzle: Money is moving toward residential real estate, especially to use as rentals, not just in Silicon Valley but in most markets in North America.

Another piece of the puzzle is that banks won't lend. Cash is king. Yet, cash is everywhere, and the govn'ts are printing more of it by the minute. Again, what is it about this ZIRP that we are missing? And whatever it is, that would explain why Bernanke is so important to the gang in Washington, DC and Wall Street.