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    Further on: Robots May Revolutionize China's Electronics Manufacturing

    Machines in Pipeline to Supplant Workers as Pay Soars and People Age




    A new worker's revolution is rising in China, and it doesn't involve humans. Delta Electronics has developed robots that can work on assembly lines that it hopes to sell for as little as $10,000. The WSJ's Eva Dou reports. Video by Neil Wade.


    A new worker's revolution is rising in China and it doesn't involve humans.
    With soaring wages and an aging population, electronics factory managers say the day is approaching when robotic workers will replace people on the Chinese factory floor.
    A new wave of industrial robots is in development, ranging from high-end humanoid machines with vision, touch and even learning capabilities, to low-cost robots vying to undercut China's minimum wage.
    Photos: Swapping Laborers for Robots

    Neil Wade for The Wall Street Journal A concept robot by Delta Electronics, which is among developers in Asia seeking to build better, cheaper robots.





    Over the next five years these technologies will transform China's factories, executives say, and also fill a growing labor shortage as the country's youth become increasingly unwilling to perform manual labor. How the transformation plays out will also go a long way in deciding how much of the electronics supply chain remains in China.
    It's not just traditional robot makers like Zurich-based ABB Group and Germany's Kuka AG pushing forward. Electronics suppliers in Asia such as Delta Electronics Inc. and Foxconn Technology Group are also seeking to build a better robot, along with smaller players like Denmark's Universal Robots A/S.
    But some industry executives caution that China's automation shift will likely take years and there are plenty of challenges, including the high price of advanced robots, continuing technical limitations and even the lack of flexibility that comes with bringing robots into the factory.
    "If your orders decrease, you can lay off workers," said Tim Li, senior vice president of Taiwanese PC contract manufacturer Quanta Computer Inc. "You can't lay off robots."
    One of the newest companies in this field, Taiwanese firm Delta, has long made power adapters for brands like Apple Inc., but last year it began a more ambitious project: to build robots cheap enough to replace human workers in China's electronics factories.
    "It's clear that automation is the future trend in China, but the big question is how to bring down the costs for robots," said Delta Chairman Yancey Hai in an interview. "We believe we can do that because we manufacture two-thirds of the components ourselves."
    Delta is testing a one-armed, four-jointed robot that can move objects, join components and complete similar tasks. By 2016, Delta hopes to sell a version for as little as $10,000, which would be less than half the cost of current mainstream robots.
    That price is also cheaper than the salary of a Chinese worker, and the robot can work around the clock.
    Delta believes it can achieve the low price through cost advantages at its Taiwan facility, in-house component production and a shorter target life span for its robot.
    Outside Taiwan, there are also more futuristic robots in the works designed to be easily reprogrammable and smart enough to work alongside humans without risk of injury. For instance, ABB's concept humanoid robot has two 7-jointed arms that perform precise tasks and halt when touched by a person.
    These robots are more expensive than factory workers, but the cost gap is shrinking, with China's wages rising by a double-digit percentage annually.
    The advancements in robotics has led to hopes that electronics firms will bring some manufacturing back to the U.S. But industry followers say electronics assembly is likely to stay in China even as automation becomes easier because the larger component supply chain is in the country.
    To be sure, robots have long been technically capable of the tasks required for final assembly: placing components on circuit boards, affixing circuit boards into casings, screwing together the casings and cleaning off the devices.
    But human hands are still considerably cheaper for such jobs in China. People are also better at switching tasks than a robot, which requires reprogramming.
    There are also logistical obstacles to automation.
    Because of the short sales cycle of electronic devices, products are only in production for around 9 to 18 months, with production settings requiring change afterward, said ABB China Senior Vice President Chun-yuan Gu.
    "There's a fast ramp up and a fast ramp down, and that is the key challenge," he said.
    Even Foxconn, the industry's loudest proponent of automation, continues to rely on city-sized factories where more than 1.1 million workers do the bulk of the assembly of iPhones and other devices by hand. Foxconn originally planned to install 1 million robotic arms in its factories by 2014, but executives said it would take much longer to reach that target.
    Automation would help companies like Foxconn that are continually beset by criticism over worker conditions. Indeed, Pegatron Corp., another Apple supplier that makes iPhones, was recently accused by New York-based nonprofit organization China Labor Watch for alleged labor rights violations.
    The Taiwanese company is focusing its automation efforts on the most dangerous and laborious tasks, said Chief Financial Officer Charles Lin.
    Pegatron has invested around $100 million in the past year to automate production of electronic device casings, which involves harsh chemicals.
    Quanta, the world's largest PC contract manufacturer, expects to make a massive automation shift in "the next two years or so" as labor costs rise, said Chief Financial Officer Elton Yang.
    For robot makers like Kuka, that spells opportunity.
    "Twenty percent of our business is in China and we see that rising," said Kuka Chief Executive Till Reuter. He said Kuka is investing in a new Chinese factory that can churn out at least 5,000 more robots a year from 1,500 to 2,000 currently.
    Universal Robots and ABB also said they're boosting their China investment, and with good cause: China's industrial robot shipments will rise to 35,000 units in 2015 from 26,000 in 2012, the largest increase of any country, according to estimates from the International Federation of Robotics. While robots are used in many different types of factories in China, analysts and robotics companies point out growing demand to automate the electronics supply chain is giving demand a decided boost.
    Kuka's Mr. Reuter says it's easy to see how robots can give factories a helping hand. "We have industrial robots…which we work 24 hours a day, seven days a week for seven to 10 years," he said.
    Write to Paul Mozur at paul.mozur@dowjones.com and Eva Dou at eva.dou@dowjones.com
    Corrections & Amplifications
    A Danish company seeking to build a better robot is called Universal Robots A/S. A previous version of this article incorrectly gave the name as Universal Robotics A/S.
    A version of this article appeared September 24, 2013, on page B5 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Robots to Revolutionize China.

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    • Re: Partial agreement with Coolhand

      Originally posted by Polish_Silver View Post
      Here's where I agree:

      1) China may be moving towards some kind of gold standard, at least for international transactions. Why else all the gold hoarding? This behavior also acknowleged repeatedly by EJ.


      2) China may want to destroy the petro dollar system.


      Here's where I disagree:

      1) China's debt may be comparable to the US. They do have lots of municipal, regional, and private sector debt. Their accounting is so opaque, nobody knows for sure. And the opaque accounting is itself an important signal.

      Opposite of Singapore---totally transparent accounting and low debt levels.

      2) China's motivation is probably not "to raise standards of living", but to increase their national power.

      3) More than just the banking class benefited from the PD system. The benefits spilled over into the military industrial complex, USA as a whole, etc. (of course, the USA had many losers, such as gulf war casualties) . The system is so hard to break because the beneficiaries are so numerous and influential.

      I could never argue China's debt v. US debt - I have no background on how China's debt is structured & as you note, the accounting is opaque, even if i was qualified to comment.

      I do know that China does not have much of a social safety net, while the US does, & the US's social safety net present value is estimated at $200-220T...IMO, given that China doesn't have a social safety net, that makes it hard for me to believe that China has accumulated $200T economy wide without having any kind of social spending to drive that...it's a lot of money.

      On your 2nd point, i agree, but would only note that increasing national power/increasing standards of living are both accomplished the same way - increasing oil consumption.

      Finally, on your 3rd point, you make a great point. The losers of course have been the US working classes...real incomes/living standards for the working & middle classes peaked from 1971-1988, depending on income level, & have continued falling ever since.

      The system has been hard to break b/c anyone in a position to do so would lose too much by doing so, as you note. However, the difference now is that those in a position to break it (BRICS, EU) would BENEFIT from it breaking...

      One need only watch what the bankers are doing - DB, JPM, Barclays & others began moving their gold to Asia en masse two years ago: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...mmodities.html

      When taken together with GS's 2Q13 purchase of $500m of GLD (which they can easily convert into bullion - watch for stories in 3Q that GS "sold" $500m of GLD in 3Q when filings are filed & the 2Q ownership of GLD by GS is "gone"), the rulers of the system see the inevitable...the BRICS are the majority of global economic activity & are dictating terms.

      The bullion banks & the BRICS are indifferent if the global reserve asset is UST's or gold. China doesn't care if they have 1,000 tons of gold & $3T in UST's, or UST's worth $0 & 1,000 tons of gold worth $3T. They just want to make sure they can buy their oil & food...

      Ironic, isn't it? The US gov't/banking industry has convinced the American public that gold is useless & inflation should be measured ex-food & energy. When the very core of the system is gold & the only inflation that matters to geopolitical powers are food & energy...

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      • Re: Partial agreement with Coolhand


        The problem with stuff in China is when it's new, it always looks good. It's the same with condos built in China. When they are built, they look very nice, but 8-10 years on, it looks like a 20-30 year old building. This is the reason why the secondary housing market in China is very small.

        Maintenance is not cheap when equipment disintegrates, remember drywall?

        I'm not saying that others do better, but in my opinion, the verdict for the high speed rail project is still open and we won't know real truth until another 15-20 years has passed.
        Last edited by touchring; September 24, 2013, 07:35 PM.

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        • Re: Partial agreement with Coolhand

          Originally posted by coolhand View Post
          Ironic, isn't it? The US gov't/banking industry has convinced the American public that gold is useless & inflation should be measured ex-food & energy. When the very core of the system is gold & the only inflation that matters to geopolitical powers are food & energy...

          In the 21st century, gold is just another jewelry. People buy it for wedding bands. Gold is not consumed because almost all the gold that is mined remains.

          One can't eat gold. If the economic malaise in India is not resolved, we can anticipate massive gold selling by the Indians in exchange for food and clothing. At least over the next 1 year, the outlook is bearish.

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          • Re: Yes Virginia...It's a Bubble...

            http://nationalinterest.org/commenta...reat-debt-9677

            The Real China Threat: Credit Chaos

            Minxin Pei

            | January 8, 2014

            The spectacle of a game of financial chicken in the world’s second-largest economy is both entertaining and terrifying. Twice in 2013, the People’s Bank of China (PBOC), the country’s central bank, tried to demonstrate its resolve to rein in runaway credit growth. In June, it engineered a sudden credit squeeze that sent the interbank lending rates to more than 20 percent and caused a short-lived panic in the Chinese financial markets. Apparently, the financial turmoil was too much for the Chinese government, which quickly ordered the Chinese central bank to reverse course. As a result, the PBOC lost both face and credibility.
            However, as credit growth continued unabated and activities in the most risky segment of China’s financial sector – the so-called shadow banking system – displayed alarming recklessness, the PBOC was left with no choice but try one more time to send a strong message that it could not be counted on to provide unlimited liquidity to the banking system...

            ...Thus, in the first two rounds of a stand-off between the PBOC and China’s shadow banking system, the latter is widely seen as the winner. The PBOC blinked first each time...

            ...Of these dynamics, two deserve special attention. The first one is the rapid rise in indebtedness (or financial leverage) in the Chinese economy since 2008. In five years, the country’s total debt-to-GDP ratio (including both public and private debt) rose from 130 percent to 210 percent, an unprecedented increase for a major economy...

            ...Staggering under an unsustainable debt burden of roughly 160 percent of GDP (equivalent to $14 trillion), these borrowers are expected to default on a significant portion of their bank debt in the coming years...

            ...Specifically, Chinese banks peddle new “wealth management products” – short-term securities promising high interest rates – to their depositors. The issuers of such securities, which are not protected or insured by the government – are typically high-risk borrowers, such as local governments (and their financing vehicles) and real estate developers.


            In the meantime, these borrowers are facing rising pressures for loan repayments in an environment of overcapacity and unprofitable investments. Unable to generate cash to service their loans, they have to turn to the shadow-banking sector for credit and avoid default. The result is an explosive growth of the size of the shadow-banking sector (now conservatively estimated to account for 20-30 percent of GDP)...


            Last edited by GRG55; January 09, 2014, 03:13 AM.

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            • Taiwan's train

              Originally posted by touchring View Post
              The problem with stuff in China is when it's new, it always looks good. It's the same with condos built in China. When they are built, they look very nice, but 8-10 years on, it looks like a 20-30 year old building. This is the reason why the secondary housing market in China is very small.

              Maintenance is not cheap when equipment disintegrates, remember drywall?

              I'm not saying that others do better, but in my opinion, the verdict for the high speed rail project is still open and we won't know real truth until another 15-20 years has passed.
              Taiwan is very pragmatic. They use foreign designs. I think their high speed rail locomotive was built by Siemens.

              The Taiwan HSR put out of business small airlines.

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              • Re: Yes Virginia...It's a Bubble...

                Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                http://nationalinterest.org/commenta...reat-debt-9677

                The Real China Threat: Credit Chaos

                Minxin Pei

                | January 8, 2014

                The spectacle of a game of financial chicken in the world’s second-largest economy is both entertaining and terrifying. Twice in 2013, the People’s Bank of China (PBOC), the country’s central bank, tried to demonstrate its resolve to rein in runaway credit growth. In June, it engineered a sudden credit squeeze that sent the interbank lending rates to more than 20 percent and caused a short-lived panic in the Chinese financial markets. Apparently, the financial turmoil was too much for the Chinese government, which quickly ordered the Chinese central bank to reverse course. As a result, the PBOC lost both face and credibility.
                However, as credit growth continued unabated and activities in the most risky segment of China’s financial sector – the so-called shadow banking system – displayed alarming recklessness, the PBOC was left with no choice but try one more time to send a strong message that it could not be counted on to provide unlimited liquidity to the banking system...

                ...Thus, in the first two rounds of a stand-off between the PBOC and China’s shadow banking system, the latter is widely seen as the winner. The PBOC blinked first each time...

                ...Of these dynamics, two deserve special attention. The first one is the rapid rise in indebtedness (or financial leverage) in the Chinese economy since 2008. In five years, the country’s total debt-to-GDP ratio (including both public and private debt) rose from 130 percent to 210 percent, an unprecedented increase for a major economy...

                ...Staggering under an unsustainable debt burden of roughly 160 percent of GDP (equivalent to $14 trillion), these borrowers are expected to default on a significant portion of their bank debt in the coming years...

                ...Specifically, Chinese banks peddle new “wealth management products” – short-term securities promising high interest rates – to their depositors. The issuers of such securities, which are not protected or insured by the government – are typically high-risk borrowers, such as local governments (and their financing vehicles) and real estate developers.


                In the meantime, these borrowers are facing rising pressures for loan repayments in an environment of overcapacity and unprofitable investments. Unable to generate cash to service their loans, they have to turn to the shadow-banking sector for credit and avoid default. The result is an explosive growth of the size of the shadow-banking sector (now conservatively estimated to account for 20-30 percent of GDP)...


                All of these may be true, but it is interesting that allowing the market rate of interest to fluctuate is seen as a bigger warning sign than what we have in the US, where the Fed has capped interest rate movements with printed money, & where a 100bp move in interest rates has notably slowed housing demand from all but wealthy cash borrowers.

                I also note that China has recently begun evaluating allowing offshore yuan balances to buy physical gold in Shanghai...that would be a de facto gold exchange standard. Furthermore, go on the website for ICBC, the biggest bank in China & the world & notice that among their "investment products" on offer is physical gold. Contrast that with the website at Wells Fargo or Bank of America.

                China is not appreciably more or less indebted than the US...but unlike the US, they appear to be more than willing to allow the price of gold to rise to offset that indebtedness...they are encouraging their people to own it and their banks do too b/c it would fix China's debt problem...

                Contrast that with the US gov't & financial system, which discourages the US of gold at all turns b/c while a massive rise in gold prices would also fix the US' debt situation, it would also mark the end of the Petrodollar arrangement that has allowed the US to print dollars to pay for oil, military spending & entitlement spending...

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                • Re: Yes Virginia...It's a Bubble...

                  Originally posted by coolhand View Post
                  All of these may be true, but it is interesting that allowing the market rate of interest to fluctuate is seen as a bigger warning sign than what we have in the US, where the Fed has capped interest rate movements with printed money, & where a 100bp move in interest rates has notably slowed housing demand from all but wealthy cash borrowers.

                  I also note that China has recently begun evaluating allowing offshore yuan balances to buy physical gold in Shanghai...that would be a de facto gold exchange standard. Furthermore, go on the website for ICBC, the biggest bank in China & the world & notice that among their "investment products" on offer is physical gold. Contrast that with the website at Wells Fargo or Bank of America.

                  China is not appreciably more or less indebted than the US...but unlike the US, they appear to be more than willing to allow the price of gold to rise to offset that indebtedness...they are encouraging their people to own it and their banks do too b/c it would fix China's debt problem...

                  Contrast that with the US gov't & financial system, which discourages the US of gold at all turns b/c while a massive rise in gold prices would also fix the US' debt situation, it would also mark the end of the Petrodollar arrangement that has allowed the US to print dollars to pay for oil, military spending & entitlement spending...
                  Do you actually understand why they are encouraging their citizens to buy gold?

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                  • Re: Yes Virginia...It's a Bubble...

                    Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                    Do you actually understand why they are encouraging their citizens to buy gold?

                    I think I do, but am totally open to the possibility that I am wrong (God knows it happens plenty! ). Why are they encouraging their citizens to buy gold?

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                    • Re: Yes Virginia...It's a Bubble...

                      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                      Do you actually understand why they are encouraging their citizens to buy gold?
                      China knows the Golden Rule: "He who has the gold, makes the rules."

                      I can think of two reasons why:

                      1. to give the Chinese people a buffer (thereby preventing civil unrest) in case of big devaluation of their currency.

                      2. encourage their citizens to buy it now in massive quantities, with plans to either confiscate or buy it from them later at a price they can't refuse. China would then be even better positioned to end the reign of the petrodollar/be the world's reserve currency.

                      Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                      • Why Gold in China?

                        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                        Do you actually understand why they are encouraging their citizens to buy gold?
                        I very much would like to know.


                        Here's my thinking:

                        1) The party knows something huge is going down and they want some citizens to survive.

                        1b) The party wants a country liveable for its members after "IT" happens and Gold will help do that.

                        2) The more total gold the country has, the more influence they wield when the US blows up.

                        4) China still has a trade surplus, and putting the liquidity into gold causes less problems than more real estate and stock speculation.


                        I think it's (4) actually. As money, gold has a low velocity, doesn't contribute to bank reserves (excess lending), and
                        functions more independently than most other assets. That is, a bubble in gold doesn't directly feed into other types of bubbles.
                        Last edited by Polish_Silver; January 10, 2014, 11:38 AM.

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                        • Re: Yes Virginia...It's a Bubble...

                          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                          Do you actually understand why they are encouraging their citizens to buy gold?
                          In the interest of showing my hand for benefit of the group, here's what I know:

                          1. In the past 2 years, China has bought more $ in gold than in UST's.

                          2. In the past 2-3 years, China has signed yuan-swap lines with most major trading nations in the world.

                          3. In the past 2-3 weeks, China has indicated they are evaluating allowing offshore yuan balances to buy physical gold in Shanghai, which would amount to China implementing a gold trade standard (despite countless western economists that have said for nearly 100 yrs that it could never work.)

                          4. In the past 3 months, China has become both the biggest trader in the world & the biggest importer of oil in the world.

                          5. Many senior members of the Chinese Communist Party have read the book "Road to Serfdom", while the "Currency Wars" book published in 2007 in China was also reportedly widely read by senior party members but never translated back to English.

                          6. China has advocated for a "neutral" reserve currency/asset rather than any one nation's currency/debt b/c they understand the latter will cause the hollowing out of the reserve nation's manufacturing base & ultimately lead to Triffin's Dilemma (like the US & like now).

                          7. In any debt crisis, there are two options: Write down the debt or write up an asset to offset the debt.

                          8. In a debt-backed fiat currency system, the debt of the public are the assets of the elite. Therefore writing down the debt will crush the assets of the elite & the backing of the currency, spurring hyperinflation. (Leading to the following conclusion which is strictly my opinion - there is no way this debt overhang will be fixed by the debt being written down.)

                          9. There is only one asset on global central bank balance sheets all over the world that can be written up - not bonds, not stocks, not commodities, not silver, not oil - gold. That's it & that's all.

                          I keep coming back to the same conclusion...gold is flowing b/c where it's flowing b/c TPTB (this isn't conspiracy theory, the front page of the WSJ noted 18 months ago that global central bankers meet every 2 months in Basel, Switzerland at the BIS to discuss policy in secret) need it in the right places to reset the currency system.

                          China understands this & is looking out for its people. The US is encouraging its people into stocks, which won't do as well as gold but will still do really, really well b/c when gold is written up massively to balance the systemic debt, it will mark the de facto end of the USD's reserve status, making the US among the cheapest places in the world to make stuff. When that happens, the US stock market will move much, much higher. IMO, stocks with highest % of P P & E in the US are the best plays for the next 5 yrs...

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                          • Re: Yes Virginia...It's a Bubble...

                            Originally posted by shiny! View Post
                            China knows the Golden Rule: "He who has the gold, makes the rules."

                            I can think of two reasons why:

                            1. to give the Chinese people a buffer (thereby preventing civil unrest) in case of big devaluation of their currency.

                            2. encourage their citizens to buy it now in massive quantities, with plans to either confiscate or buy it from them later at a price they can't refuse. China would then be even better positioned to end the reign of the petrodollar/be the world's reserve currency.
                            I tend to believe that it's #1: to prevent social unrest when the RMB is depreciated to arrest a mass defaulting of loans. The Chinese have not in their living memory had a good currency. There was a pretty substantial depreciation in the early-to-mid 1990s in the wake of the Tiananmen incident, a wipeout when the Communists took over China in the late 1940s - early 1950s, and I believe the currency was shaky around the time the Japanese invaded China.

                            If there were a wipeout of the people's cash savings (assuming they have not loaded up on gold or real estate), I'm not sure the Poliburo is going to be able to shift the blame and the people's anger to the Japanese and the Americans.

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                            • Re: Yes Virginia...It's a Bubble...

                              Well I don't know why the Chinese government is encouraging it's cityzens to buy gold. Maybe it's just to give the people a sound ways to invest their savings without overloading the RE market.
                              What I stress is that China is climbing the ladder of economic development as per following work. And of course as history tells about any emerging major power they are becoming big capital exporters as well. Unlike Latin America, still mired in raw materials for most of it's exports while depending on capital imports for significant part of investment all this paired to huge capital flight from it's elites, China exports industrial output with ever growing tecnological contents.
                              HONG KONG — Cheng Chunmeng, the general manager of a manufacturer of colorful children’s chairs in east-central China, gave his workers a 30 percent raise last year to keep them from leaving. His labor costs are rising even faster in dollar terms, as the Chinese currency slowly climbs against the United States dollar.
                              Yet Mr. Cheng, like many Chinese exporters, enjoys growing sales to the United States. “I saw a remarkable increase in orders from the United States starting in March, and getting better and better since then,” Mr. Cheng said. “I feel 2014 will be an even better year.”
                              Export gains like Mr. Cheng’s suggest that despite years of predictions of trouble for China’s export juggernaut, it has not yet been derailed by fast-rising costs for blue-collar labor, by an appreciating Chinese currency or by foreign investment shifts toward other, lower-wage Asian countries.
                              China announced on Friday morning its largest annual trade surplus in dollar terms since 2008, as the surplus widened another 12.8 percent compared with 2012, reaching $259.75 billion.
                              Launch media viewer

                              Cheng Chunmeng of Hangzhou Luyi Arts & Crafts. Timothy O'Rourke for The New York Times
                              China has kept its export machine running even while wages rise. Blue-collar pay has soared between fivefold and ninefold in dollar terms in the last decade, wrecking China’s reputation as a low-wage place for export-oriented manufacturing. Rocketing wages and benefits reflect an acute shortage of manufacturing labor, as a younger generation goes to college instead of heading for factories and as rural China has mostly run out of young adults to send to the cities.
                              China’s exports, while growing more slowly than a few years ago, are still far from stalling despite the disappearance of its advantage in labor costs. Chinese exporters say they have been able to keep prices low and retain overseas customers because factories are becoming more productive. Much of the manufacturing has stayed in China because the highly developed supply chains leading to and from the factories remain among the best in the world.
                              “We haven’t started thinking of moving to another country,” said Xiang Wenwei, the sales director of the China Mybaby Group, a 3,000-employee manufacturer of baby strollers in Ningbo that makes and assembles all of its major components. It relies on a dense web of suppliers near the factory for everything from raw materials to factory equipment maintenance.
                              The trade gains for China are magnified because over the last several years many companies have shifted the production of components from high-wage Asian countries like Japan and South Korea to China itself. So China is producing more of the value in each product, and not just doing the final assembly of products produced elsewhere.
                              China has begun to account for more than half the American trade deficit in some months, including last November, partly because of rising production of shale gas and shale oil that has reduced America’s need to import energy. China was only a quarter to a third of the American deficit before the global financial crisis began in 2008. As the American economy continues to improve, economists predict that Americans will import even more from China.
                              “The pickup in China’s trade surpluses could lead to rising trade tensions if they are perceived as holding back job growth in the U.S. and dampening the economic recovery,” said Eswar Prasad, a Brookings Institution economist specializing in China.
                              The gradual recovery in demand in the United States and Europe is being partly absorbed by Chinese exporters instead of stimulating longer hours and further investment at factories closer to home. The unexpected strength in China’s export sector has weakened the West’s economic recovery and retarded job creation in the United States and Europe.
                              Asked this week for their view on China’s trade surpluses, United States Treasury officials reiterated their opinion that the renminbi, China’s currency, remains significantly undervalued, which China denies, and said that rebalancing the Chinese economy remained incomplete.
                              The composition of the American trade deficit with China is also shifting in ways that could affect employment in the United States, according to the latest American data, released on Tuesday. The American deficit is increasingly in goods classified by the United States Commerce Department as advanced technology products, notably consumer electronics, while starting to shrink in categories of lower value like shoes.
                              Chinese leaders and some economists have contended for years that a decline in China’s export competitiveness is imminent, but their country has continued to post trade surpluses. They have used their predictions of slowing exports to justify resistance to pressure from Washington for faster appreciation of the renminbi against the dollar. The renminbi rose only 3.1 percent against the dollar last year, and weakened 1.2 percent against the euro.
                              A Bigger Share

                              The United States trade deficit in oil and gas has begun to narrow, but the deficit with China has remained stubbornly high.
                              U.S. trade
                              balance in goods


                              With China

                              –$20

                              Overall


                              – 40

                              – 60

                              Billions
                              of dollars

                              – 80

                              ’00

                              ’04

                              ’08

                              ’12




                              Source: U.S. Census Bureau via CEIC Data

                              The question is how much longer China can remain the dominant exporter. Many economists still predict trouble ahead for Chinese exporters. “Even if there is an increase in the trade surplus, this is temporary,” said Diana Choyleva, a China specialist who is the head of macroeconomic research at Lombard Street Research in London.
                              She noted that when calculated in renminbi and adjusted for inflation, China’s exports actually fell in some months last summer, although they have strengthened considerably since last October. China’s trade surplus is also less than half as large as a share of national economic output compared with five years ago when the surplus was slightly larger in dollar terms. The Chinese economy has grown nearly 80 percent in nominal renminbi terms since then and doubled in dollar terms.
                              Export figures for China were exaggerated by a few percentage points early last year as exporters overstated their shipments to circumvent Chinese controls on moving money into the country to speculate on further appreciation of the renminbi. But while some overstating of shipments may still take place, the strength in exports in recent months appears more genuine, particularly compared to an artificially high base of exports a year ago, said Louis Kuijs, a China economist in the Hong Kong office of the Royal Bank of Scotland.
                              “I have much more faith in the veracity of the numbers now,” he said.
                              In separate interviews this week with nearly a dozen Chinese exporters, at Hong Kong trade fairs or by telephone, all said that their biggest problem lay in labor: finding enough blue-collar workers and paying for their soaring wages.
                              Mr. Cheng said that a decade ago he paid about $75 a month for entry-level industrial workers and provided virtually no benefits. Now, he said, his 200-worker business, the Hangzhou Luyi Arts & Crafts Company, pays $570 a month plus $100 a month in government-mandated benefits.
                              That works out to compensation roughly three times as high as in Indonesia, four times as high as in Vietnam, five times as high as in Cambodia, and as much as 10 times as high as in Bangladesh. But all of those countries have other problems, such as overburdened, unreliable electricity grids, which force companies to install costly generators and buy expensive diesel instead.
                              Like many companies in China, Hangzhou Luyi has responded to surging wages with increased investments in automation. “This machine takes the place of five workers,” Mr. Cheng said, sitting in a booth at a Hong Kong trade fair this week and pointing at a poster on his wall of a computer-controlled, die-cutting machine for producing chair components.
                              Similar investments at factories across China mean that fewer hours of labor typically go into each product. So labor costs per unit do not rise nearly as quickly as wages.
                              Extremely heavy investment in new factories and new equipment, as the state-owned banking system continues to pump out credit at a remarkable pace, has also created considerable overcapacity. Exporters are unable to raise prices without losing overseas markets to nearby rivals. This prompts managers like Chen Yaping, executive director of the Zhejiang Daseng Stationery Company, a toymaker in Yiwu City, to focus increasingly on research and developing their own brands.Foreign investment in China has stagnated while surging in Southeast Asian rivals like Cambodia, Indonesia and Vietnam, setting off hand-wringing in Chinese media. But China still invests heavily in China. Domestic investment dwarfs foreign investment elsewhere in the region, leaving Chinese entrepreneurs and state-owned enterprises with more than enough cash to keep buying machinery.
                              A result of rising productivity and manufacturing overcapacity is that average prices for American imports from China have actually dropped 0.9 percent in the last year even as the renminbi has risen and Chinese wages have soared, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics in Washington. That decline in prices has kept the pressure on Western competitors — and kept Chinese exports buoyant.
                              Hilda Wang contributed reporting.

                              A version of this article appears in print on January 10, 2014, on page B1 of the New York edition with the headline: Even as Wages Rise, China Exports Grow.

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                              • Re: Yes Virginia...It's a Bubble...

                                Originally posted by Southernguy View Post
                                Well I don't know why the Chinese government is encouraging it's cityzens to buy gold. Maybe it's just to give the people a sound ways to invest their savings without overloading the RE market...

                                That's what I think.

                                I've lived and worked in quite a few places where the economy is dominated by state owned enterprises. In most of these cases there are also usually restrictions on citizens sending or taking money abroad. This severely limits the options for private savings to be invested internally...small service and retail businesses, followed closely by property and stock market speculation are the most common alternatives. This was the situation I observed in the Persian Gulf in 2000. And of course they went through a lovely stock market and property bubble (and bust) led by the regional poster child, Dubai. This seems a common pattern when an authoritarian government starts to mildly loosen its grip on its economy and larger numbers of citizens start to become wealthier...and therefore earn more than they spend.

                                I suspect the recent official (and "look the other way" unofficial) relaxation on taking money out of China to invest abroad, the creation of the Shanghai gold exchange and the official urgings for citizens to buy gold are all part of finding alternate ways to vent the excess savings and direct them away from another stock market mania, or compounding an already difficult property bubble situation. The "reforms" that are being discussed in China, including promoting more consumption, will take a lot of time. The government and the PBOC know this.

                                So far the "China is buying gold and will take over the world, crush the USA and the US Dollar" crowd don't make any logical sense for this observer.
                                Last edited by GRG55; January 11, 2014, 07:03 PM.

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