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    By William Greider January 4, 2010

    He's baaack--the Wall Street billionaire who wants to loot Social Security.

    This time, Pete Peterson has invented his own "news network" to promote his right-wing rants about shrinking the only retirement security system available to millions of working people. Peterson styles himself as a patriot saving the nation from fiscal insolvency and has committed $1 billion to that cause (a chunk of the wealth he accumulated at Blackstone Group, the notorious corporate-takeover firm). His efforts might be dismissed as ludicrous--except money does talk in Washington, and Peterson is now buying Washington reporters to spread his dire warnings.

    The retired mogul has created a digital news agency he dubs "The Fiscal Times" and hired eight seasoned reporters to do the work there. "An impressive group of veteran journalists," Peterson calls them. I hope they have shaken a lot of money out of this rich geezer. Because I predict doing hack work for him will seriously soil their reputations for objectivity and independence.

    With his great wealth, Peterson could have also bought a newspaper to publish his dispatches, but he did better than that. He hooked up with the Washington Post, which has agreed to "jointly produce content focusing on the budget and fiscal issues." (This media scandal was first uncovered by economist Dean Baker.) The newspaper is thus compromising its own integrity. It's like buying political propaganda from a Washington lobbyist, then printing it in the news columns as if it was just another news story. Shame on the Post, my old newspaper. I predict a big stink like the one that greeted the Post when its publisher decided to hold pay-for-access "salons" for corporate biggies.

    The first TFT "dispatch" to appear in the Washington Post--"Support grows for tackling nation's debt"--made no mention of Peterson's crusade. But it featured the same devious gimmick the financier has been peddling around Washington. Congress should create a special commission of eighteen senators and representatives empowered to to make the "tough" budget decisions politicians are loathe to face--slashing benefits, raising payroll taxes or both. Other members of Congress would be prohibited from changing any of the particular measures, and would cast only an up-or-down vote on the entire package, no amendments allowed. Supposedly, this would give them political cover. Look, no hands. We just cut Social Security but it wasn't our fault.

    This "reform" is profoundly antidemocratic because it would strip ordinary citizens of the only leverage they have in Washington--the ability to lean on their elected representatives and exact retribution if they get sold out. Peterson has two advocates in the Senate--Kent Conrad of South Dakota and Judd Gregg of New Hampshire--who are self-righteous fiscal hawks.

    The TFT story describes the rising federal deficits as a threat to the republic, yet fails to explain why deficits on rising. The billions have been devoted to bailing out major banks and Peterson's old chums in Wall Street or to turning around the failed economy or fighting two wars at once.

    So why do the TFT reporters (Elaine Povich and Eric Pianin) zero in on old folks and Social Security or entitlements like Medicare and Medicaid? Because those are Pete Peterson's favorite targets. He has flogged Social Security as a blight on our future for at least twenty years. He is a nut on the subject. His "facts" are wildly distorted or simply not true. Never mind, the establishment press portrays him as a disinterested statesman.

    This crusade is dangerous for the people because the "respectables" in governing circles and both parties embrace the same reactionary logic. Does government have money problems? Don't restore the progressive income tax on the wealthy or capital, don't cut away some of the corporate boodle in the federal budget--that politics is too difficult.

    Instead, let's whack Social Security while folks aren't watching.

    The biggest lie in Peterson's story-telling is his refusal to acknowledge the looting aspect of what he proposes. Despite his inflamed rhetoric, Social Security is not broke--it has a huge surplus of around $3 trillion (trillion, not billion). With no changes at all, the trust fund will be solvent for at least another thirty years.

    In fact, workers retiring now have already paid for their Social Security benefits because they paid higher payroll taxes for the past twenty-five years. I might have a little respect for fiscal crazies like Peterson, Conrad and Gregg if I once heard them state these facts honestly instead of demonizing Social Security recipients.

    Here is what really worries the fiscal hawks: as the Social Security trust fund built up the huge surpluses, the federal government borrowed the money and spent it. The time is approaching--maybe ten or twelve years from now--when the federal treasury will have to start paying back its debts to Social Security.

    The accumulated wealth does not belong to the US government, any more than the money it borrowed from China. The beneficial owners are all those working people who faithfully paid their FICA taxes for all those years. If Washington stiffs them now, it will be a bait-and-switch swindle larger than Wall Street's.

    A year ago, the Obama White House was playing footsie with Peterson and intended to give him a starring role in its "fiscal responsibility summit." The Nation disrupted those plans. I wrote a fierce attack on the billionaire's looting scheme and the true fiscal history of Social Security. The sting that really hurt was The Nation's cover--an unfortunate photograph of Mr. Peterson in which he resembled a Mafia don. The White House abruptly downplayed its summit and dropped Peterson as keynote speaker.

    But the assault on Society Security, we knew, would come back sooner or later because many of Obama's lieutenants are devoted to Peterson's fiscal logic. Budget director Peter Orszag once co-authored a "reform" plan that would raise the payroll tax on young workers and cut benefits for older people near retirement. Isn't that clever? Pinhead economists evidently think that workers won't notice. Now the billionaire is cranking up another fight. We should finger him again, big-time, and all those who willingly collaborate in his plot.

    As a candidate, Barack Obama said all the right things about Social Security and described the modest adjustments that would solve any long-term problems. But we learned during the last year not to trust fuzzy expressions of good intentions. We need to bang on the president right now and demand explicit commitment to oppose the sleight-of-hand proferred by Peterson, Conrad, Gregg and others.

    Likewise, people need to confront Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi immediately. It has been reported the two Congressional leaders are prepared to go along with this ugly ploy. I find that hard to believe, but we need to find out--now--because Conrad and Gregg and their rich friend intend to demand the "commission" legislation be included later this month when Congress votes to raise the federal debt ceiling. That's clever timing designed to stampede members of Congress since, if the debt-ceiling measure is not enacted, government in theory might be shut down.

    Maybe progressives should recruit some Democratic senators who will stage a progressive filibuster. Let's see how Harry Reid deals with that. Or maybe progressives in the House can recruit some bipartisan support in Republican ranks. Above all, people need to make a lot of noise, because this issue represents one more fleecing for people already struggling. If the Democratic party and the Democratic president decide to go down this road, arm-in-arm with the billionaire and the Washington Post, they may find themselves in a civil war much like the one tearing up the Republicans.
    • About William Greider
    National affairs correspondent William Greider has been a political journalist for more than thirty-five years. A former Rolling Stone and Washington Post editor, he is the author of the national bestsellers One World, Ready or Not, Secrets of the Temple, Who Will Tell The People, The Soul of Capitalism (Simon & Schuster) and, most recently, Come Home, America. more...

    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100111/greider
    Last edited by World Traveler; January 13, 2010, 05:46 PM. Reason: fix line spacing

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    Re: Looting Social Security, Part 2

    I think Greider's article is absolute garbage. It contains misleading assertions and quantitatively incorrect statements.

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      Re: Looting Social Security, Part 2

      Social Security is a BIG deal for many Americans, especially lower middle class and lower income folks. Most don't make enough money to have significant retirement savings, nor do they have the talent and time to become astute financial investors. So Social Security becomes an important component for their retirement.

      PLUS, like all working Americans they have been paying Social Security taxes their entire working lives. If the government is now broke, because of expeditures on budget items other than Social Security, it's not their fault.

      I've been a working adult since 1970, year I got my undergraduate degree. Social Security taxes went up significantly in the early 1980's after they Greenspan (yes, Alan) Commission recommended raising SS taxes, so Baby Boomers could "pre-fund their SS pay-outs". That is the exact sales pitch used.

      People were told by Government and Greenspan Commission that the government would raise SS taxes, and set aside those monies so that when Baby Boomers started to retire en masse on a far-away date around 2010, there would be enough money in SS Fund to pay benefits.

      We know how that story turned. Money was never "set aside", it was loaned to Treasury and spent.

      There are many other ways to fill the Treasury hole and ensure that SS benefits are paid out as promised. A Tobin tax on Wall Street speculation. Capital and income taxes have been lowered many time since 1983 Greenspan Commission, they could be fiddled with, and raised for top 1%. etc. etc.

      Making the least culpable in this whole mess take the hit is simply not right.

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      • #4
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        Social Security has been looted for decades. There is no "there" there, as in the money is loooong gone. Eventually the goobermint will have to defaulton both SocSec AND Medicare (all parts) as it crowds out other "important" spending like congressional trips to glowball warming conferences.

        Greider is full of shit. I would be beyond happy if I could get 50% of my money as a lump sum out of SocSec and never participate in it when I am old. It is a ponzi scheme set to fail...

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        • #5
          Re: Looting Social Security, Part 2

          Here's a link to bantering back and forth between Bruce Krasting and a couple of fellows. I didn't read the whole thing, but Krasting's closing paragraph is interesting.

          http://brucekrasting.blogspot.com/20...tle.html#links

          Originally posted by Krasting 1/13/10
          On November 20, 2007 I was on the FOX “Scoreboard” show with David Asman. On that show I said, “Fannie and Freddie will go bankrupt. The stockholders will be wiped out, the bondholders will all be spared”. I took a lot of criticism for saying that. All the ‘experts’ were saying it could not happen and guys like me were lunatics. Less than a year later I was proven correct. I did well with that call.

          SS is no Fannie or Freddie. There will be no explosion. But the ins and outs of SS are equivalent to 13% of GDP. Anything that affects SS will have an impact on the real economy one-way or the other. When that happens there will be both risk and reward. My guess is that this is about nine months off from become an issue that starts to move markets. If anything, it will be less.
          Were he to be correct it would fit in well with a equity market failure in the third quarter of this year. I hope he turns out to be correct, and that the shit hits the fan about then.
          Jim 69 y/o

          "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

          Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

          Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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            Re: Looting Social Security, Part 2

            I can certainly understand preferring to get your Social Security contributions back as a lump sum. I'd like that too. I paid the max SS tax each year, during most of my working life.

            Not I honestly don't think the government will ever do that.

            Social Security is not a red/blue, liberal/conservative, Democrat/Republican issue.

            Politicians of every political persuasion, conservative Republican and liberal Democrat, Administrations and members of Congress, have been party to the looting of Social Security's so-called "surplus funds" not needed for immediate pay-out as benefits.

            All hands are dirty.

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              Re: Looting Social Security, Part 2

              Originally posted by World Traveler View Post
              Social Security is a BIG deal for many Americans, especially lower middle class and lower income folks. Most don't make enough money to have significant retirement savings, nor do they have the talent and time to become astute financial investors. So Social Security becomes an important component for their retirement.

              PLUS, like all working Americans they have been paying Social Security taxes their entire working lives. If the government is now broke, because of expeditures on budget items other than Social Security, it's not their fault.

              I've been a working adult since 1970, year I got my undergraduate degree. Social Security taxes went up significantly in the early 1980's after they Greenspan (yes, Alan) Commission recommended raising SS taxes, so Baby Boomers could "pre-fund their SS pay-outs". That is the exact sales pitch used.

              People were told by Government and Greenspan Commission that the government would raise SS taxes, and set aside those monies so that when Baby Boomers started to retire en masse on a far-away date around 2010, there would be enough money in SS Fund to pay benefits.

              We know how that story turned. Money was never "set aside", it was loaned to Treasury and spent.

              There are many other ways to fill the Treasury hole and ensure that SS benefits are paid out as promised. A Tobin tax on Wall Street speculation. Capital and income taxes have been lowered many time since 1983 Greenspan Commission, they could be fiddled with, and raised for top 1%. etc. etc.

              Making the least culpable in this whole mess take the hit is simply not right.
              You know, our economy really does not make any sense.

              The country has tons of empty houses. Tons of empty factories. Tons of arable land & food production. Tons of people who claim to want to work. What is wrong? It does not make sense that there is any poverty at all.

              Regardless, I agree . Tobin-tax the fuckers back to the stone age.

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by aaron View Post
                You know, our economy really does not make any sense.
                Exactly. It's not just the U.S. either. It's getting high time some bright bulb came along with some new tools for economic understanding. The tools we've got are inadequate.
                Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                  Originally posted by World Traveler View Post
                  I can certainly understand preferring to get your Social Security contributions back as a lump sum. I'd like that too. I paid the max SS tax each year, during most of my working life.

                  Not I honestly don't think the government will ever do that.

                  Social Security is not a red/blue, liberal/conservative, Democrat/Republican issue.

                  Politicians of every political persuasion, conservative Republican and liberal Democrat, Administrations and members of Congress, have been party to the looting of Social Security's so-called "surplus funds" not needed for immediate pay-out as benefits.

                  All hands are dirty.

                  The boomers & their parents should take care of their own. Please work it all out and leave me out of it. I just lost my house and life's savings over the past three years. I have paid enough, thank you very much.

                  While all hands might be dirty, some are definitely dirtier than others. I fully expect to continue to pay these taxes forever, and I know there is absolutely no retirement benefits waiting for me. However, I WILL NOT support boomers' Florida retirement for the next 25 years.

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                    Re: Looting Social Security, Part 2

                    Originally posted by aaron View Post
                    However, I WILL NOT support boomers' Florida retirement for the next 25 years.
                    That's ok - the heck with those old folks in Florida.

                    Just keep sending your money to those old folks in Texas :rolleyes:.

                    I joke to my son that there's only going to be two people his age paying the Social Security of each one my age, whereas there were eight people of my age, when I was working, paying the Social Security of one of my son's grandparents. What's worse, his grandparents went through the Great Depression and could stretch a dollar from here to next Sunday. His parents lived through the greatest prosperity in the history of human civilization and jolly well expect to enjoy their old age in style.

                    Somehow my son doesn't find that funny ... odd :confused:.
                    Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Looting Social Security, Part 2

                      Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                      Exactly. It's not just the U.S. either. It's getting high time some bright bulb came along with some new tools for economic understanding. The tools we've got are inadequate.
                      Sadly, until the vested interests are put out of power, the best we can do is watch them drive the world economy into the ground.

                      On a brighter note, I've solved the world liquid transportation fuels problem and the world food problem, no seriously! (It's amazing what researching economics for 4 hours a night for several years straight can do for a person, even for one of moderate intelligence such as myself.)


                      I think we could do some real good if each of us just picked a big problem in the world and solved it. Right now it seems we are in a rut about getting screwed by the man. Le's move on and make the world a better place.

                      (Does anyone really DOUBT that the powers that be are going to fail in SPECTACULAR fasion with whatever it is that they are trying to do).

                      Fuck them! I'm tired of waiting for these asshats to fix things so that I can move on with my life, so I suggest we all fix it and move on with out them.

                      The Banks and Politics are looking more and more that they will be O.B.E. and it would be the best thing that could happen to this place (and the world).




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                      • #12
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                        I agree with Ash. The article is suspect. This is a smear job on Pete Peterson. In my opinion, he his trying his best (with his own money) to spread the word about some very serious issues.

                        Have you been exposed to the message he is spreading about the deficit? It's very good and he has David Walker, former Comptroller General of the US spearheading the effort. They are the driving force behind this terrific video... http://www.iousathemovie.com/

                        I think Pete Peterson is for real and I think his message is honest and important.
                        "...the western financial system has already failed. The failure has just not yet been realized, while the system remains confident that it is still alive." Jesse

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                          Re: Looting Social Security, Part 2

                          3 Trillion surplus? Congress beat any would be criminal to that money a long time ago. Back in 2005 then Pres. Bush was pushing his plan for Social Security so he paid a visit the Bureau of Public Debt in Parkersburg, W.Va and looked into the actual filing cabinet where the trust fund is kept under lock and key. He then used that filing cabinet as a prop for what he said was the illusion of the trust fund, to quote GWB "It's full of IOUs", and he wasn't kidding either.


                          The Social Security trust fund consists totally of special issue Treasury bonds and other "certificates" of indebtedness. They are special in that these bonds can only be issued to and redeemed by the Social Security trust funds. These bonds cannot be sold in the open market.

                          This means that there are really only four sources that this Trust Fund money can actually be drawn from. Congress could repay the money by raising taxes or authorize the Treasury to just borrow (print) the needed funds. Another alternative would be for Congress to reduce other federal programs and to use the money that was to have been spent for them to redeem Social Security bonds. Finally, Congress could reduce Social Security benefits.

                          Good Luck I say collecting if you are under 50 years old, best save for a rainy day.

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                            Re: Looting Social Security, Part 2

                            Originally posted by rjwjr View Post
                            I agree with Ash. The article is suspect. This is a smear job on Pete Peterson. In my opinion, he his trying his best (with his own money) to spread the word about some very serious issues.

                            Have you been exposed to the message he is spreading about the deficit? It's very good and he has David Walker, former Comptroller General of the US spearheading the effort. They are the driving force behind this terrific video... http://www.iousathemovie.com/

                            I think Pete Peterson is for real and I think his message is honest and important.
                            Check out the discussion from a few months ago:
                            http://itulip.com/forums/showthread....19904#poststop

                            he sounds like an asshole

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                            • #15
                              Re: Looting Social Security, Part 2

                              Originally posted by aaron View Post
                              The boomers & their parents should take care of their own. Please work it all out and leave me out of it. I just lost my house and life's savings over the past three years. I have paid enough, thank you very much.

                              While all hands might be dirty, some are definitely dirtier than others. I fully expect to continue to pay these taxes forever, and I know there is absolutely no retirement benefits waiting for me. However, I WILL NOT support boomers' Florida retirement for the next 25 years.
                              By the time you retire, I'm sure Florida will become a penal colony.

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