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    Kunstler: Six Months To Live?

    The economy that is. Especially the part that consists of swapping paper certificates. That's the buzz I've gotten the first two weeks of 2010, and forgive me for not presenting a sheaf of charts and graphs to make the case. Just about everybody else yakking about these thing on the Web provides plenty of statistical analysis: Mish, The Automatic Earth, Chris Martenson, Zero Hedge, The Baseline Scenario.... They're all well worth visiting.

    Bank bonus numbers are due out any day now. The revolt that I expected around the release of these numbers may come from a different place than I had imagined earlier -- not from whatever remains of "normal" working people, but from the thought leaders and middling agents in administration (including the prosecutors) who, for one reason or another, have been diverting their attention, or watching and waiting, or making excuses for a couple of years now. When Frank Rich of The New York Times starts calling for Robert Rubin's head, then maybe the great groaning tramp steamer of media opinion is turning in the water and charting a new course for the port of reality.

    Anyway, the grotesque carnival of rackets and lies that the US economy has become -- held together with the duct tape of stimulus cash, gamed accounting, mortgage subsidies, carry trades, TBTF bailouts, TARPS, TALFS, shell-game BLS reports, and MSNBC "green shoots" cheerleading -- gives every sign of tipping into collapse at a moment's notice. There are just too many obvious things that can go wrong, and that means there are many less obvious, hidden things that can go wrong, and isn't it tragically foolish to tempt Murphy's Law, since it operates so well without any help from us? The call is even going out lately for criminal prosecution of the current Treasury Secretary, Mr. Geithner, for engineering AIG's $14 billion credit default swap payoff to Goldman Sachs as part of the AIG bailout. Okay then, why not Paulson, Bernanke, Blankfein...?

    But the other rings of the circus are fully occupied by clowns and dancing bears, too. Even with sketchy-looking stock market prospects for 2010, it's hard to explain why the world would run into US treasury bonds, especially a few months from now, after the initial rush-to-safety -- that is, when you could just as easily buy Canadian or Swiss franc denominated short-term bills. And then what happens when the Federal Reserve has to eat all the uneaten treasuries, while it's already choking to death on collateralized debt obligations and related worthless toxic trash securities? After all, the greenbacks we swap around are called Federal Reserve Notes.

    Why would anybody think that the housing market is going to keep levitating? A big fat "pig" of adjustable rate mortgages (i.e. mortgages that will never be "serviced") is about to move through the "python" of the housing scene, shoving millions more households into default and foreclosure. Meanwhile, local and regional banks are choking on real estate already in default that they are afraid to foreclose on and have been keeping off the market through 2009 in order to not send the price of houses down further and put even more households "under water" for houses worth much less than the face value of their mortgage. I doubt that the banks are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, but whatever the motive, this racket of just sucking up bad loans can't go on forever. At some point, a banking system has to be based on credibility, on loans actually being paid back, or it will break, and we are close to the breaking point.

    The pathetic truth at the center of the housing fiasco is that prices have to come down further if any normal wage-earner will ever afford to buy a house again in America on anything like normal terms. Anyway, sooner or later the banking system is going to have to upchuck the "phantom inventory" of un-foreclosed-on houses, and sell them off for whatever they can get, or else a lot of banks are going to go out of business.

    They may go down anyway, because the catastrophe of commercial real estate is following right on the heels of the fiasco in residential real estate. The vast oversupply of malls, strip malls, office parks, and other furnishings of the expiring "consumer" economy is about to become the biggest liability that any economy in world history has ever seen. Who will even want to buy these absurd properties cheaply, when they will never find any retail tenants for the badly-built structures, nor be able to keep up with the maintenance (think: leaking flat roofs), or retrofit them for anything? In a really sane world, a lot of these buildings would go straight to demolition-and-salvage -- except that it costs money to do that, and who exactly right now will make a market for used cinder blocks and aluminum window sashes? I expect these places to become squats for the desperate homeless.

    Then there are the bankrupt states, led by the biggest, of course -- California and New York -- but with plenty more right behind, whirling around the same drain (probably forty-nine of them with the exception of that fiscal Nirvana, North Dakota!). Even if they manage to con bailouts from the bailout-weary federal government, the states are still going to have to winnow down the ranks of their public employees (throwing more middle-class households into foreclosure and penury), while they hugely reduce public services, especially to the poor, the unwell, and the unable. That alone will redound into very visible realms of daily life from public safety (rising crime) to the decay of roads and bridges.

    Perhaps the most troubling buzz in the air this first month of 2010 are rumors of coming food shortages due to widespread crop failures around the world in the harvest seasons of 2009 (Emergency Food Supply, Food Crisis For Dummies, 2010 Wall Street Predictions.) If the US Department of Agriculture hasn't flat-out lied about crop numbers in 2009, the signs are that their statistical reports are at least inconsistent with real grain storage numbers and commodities prices. And why would the USDA tell the truth if every other federal agency is reporting gamed numbers? Given the crisis in capital and lending, one also has to wonder how farmers will be able to borrow money to get their crops in this year.

    Finally there's the global energy scene. The price of oil starts this week over $83 a barrel. That puts it about $1.50 from the price "danger zone" where it begins to kill economic activity in the USA. Things and procedures just start to cost too much. Gasoline. Deisel fuel (and, by the way, that means another problem for food production going into the 2010 planting season). One especially eerie situation the past few weeks has been the de-coupling of moves upward in oil from moves in the value of the dollar. Lately, oil has been going up whether or not the dollar has gone up or down. Two weeks ago the dollar went below 1.42 against the Euro and today it's above 1.45, and oil has been rising steadily from the mid $70 range all the while. 2010 may be the year that we conclusively realize that world oil demand exceeds world oil supply -- and that global oil production cannot hold above 85 million barrels-a-day no matter what we do.

    These are the things that trouble my mind at three o'clock in the morning when the wind rises and things bang around spookily. Gird your loins out there for a savage season or two.

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    Re: Six Months To Live?

    I love to read Kunstler. He's a Doom and Gloomer, but he writes with real style and is very entertaining. But you have to look at his writings more as entertainment than informative, he's been predicting the end for some time.

    Which raises a question I've been wondering about for some time. How bad does it have to get before we see a real societal change? During the depression of the 30's, did the 70% of Americans who had jobs and who were paying a lot less for things, did they understand or care that 30% of Americans were suffering? Did they go on with life as usual except for the annoyance of having to step over beggars in the street or people constantly trying to sell them things?

    Personally, I think the 80% of Americans who have good jobs really won't want to take any action that would threaten their non sustainable life style, and won't even be really concerned until they lose their job. Sure, they'll watch the evening news and see the stories of people who just lost their homes, and they'll shake their heads in sympathy, but when the story about Mark Mcgwire admitting to being juiced comes on, their emotions will spike through the roof.

    So how bad does it really have to get before Americans will really care and really start buying torches and pitchforks?

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      Re: Six Months To Live?

      Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
      So how bad does it really have to get before Americans will really care and really start buying torches and pitchforks?
      If you think about historical economic collapse events and the public response to them it seems like things have to get very bad indeed before there is actual unrest.

      What economic collapses of the past might shed light on what we're facing? Ideally we would look at collapses in societies similar to our own because the public's response is probably shaped by the culture of the society. For example, Latin American countries have had endemic corruption and ongoing financial collapse to one degree or another just about forever, and as far as I can tell, little in the way of public activism ever results from that - except perhaps for the occasional populist revolt which makes things worse.

      So I'd want to look at historic Western, first-world economic collapses for guidance. The Great Depression is the obvious one, but there are also the various panics of the past 150 years. I'd say it's clear that in the USA we've never seen the kind of social breakdown Kunstler and his kind predict. Which makes me wonder if our financial problems now are really SO bad that we'll have pitchforks-in-the-streets, or just grumbling and populism and hunger in a fairly orderly manner.

      Perhaps the worst Western economic crisis I can think of would be Weimar Germany or post-WWII Germany. Complete currency collapse and all that comes with it. And even there, where there was actual starvation, society didn't revert to a Mad Max scenario. There was populism and extremists but there was still law and police and order.

      Of course that was in a nation of orderly Germans. The USA is not a nation of orderly Europeans anymore. Now it has some characteristics of Africa and Latin America as those populations of colonists from those areas have settled here and taken over parts of our cities. Nevertheless I don't really see any historic precendent for the kind of social collapse Kunstler predicts. In fact, when and under what circumstances in all of recorded history has such a catastrophic collapse actually occurred? Hasn't that sort of thing mainly been the result of being invaded, rather than from economic troubles?

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        Re: Six Months To Live?

        Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
        So how bad does it really have to get before Americans will really care and really start buying torches and pitchforks?
        No torches and pitchforks so long as the state is able to pay jobless benefits and provide food stamps. People who make comparisons between today's U6 unemployment rate and the jobless rate during the Great Depression need to consider the comparatively generous safety nets in place today. As long as those safety nets don't break, "bad" isn't really all that bad. I think everything is riding on a self-sustaining recovery (and recovering tax revenue) occurring before we max out the national credit card.

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          Re: Six Months To Live?

          ASH beat me to it.

          Social Security, a minimum wage, Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment and etc provide a much higher floor (for most people) than we would have seen 70+ years ago.

          Perversely the safety net probably works to inhibit reform for the reasons in the OP - people hear about how bad things are, but the visible signs of that suffering are harder to find in their daily lives.

          The pitchforks and torches come later - when the government is either forced to cut those benefits, or a loaf of bread costs $20.

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            Re: Six Months To Live?

            As my 84 year old Father likes to point out: "Everybody new how to survive and grow food back then". The delta in the official reality will be when middle class to rich realize they are now poor with no retirement. The crime that normally comes with a collapse is here and it is happening at the highest levels not with the poor. The economy is rotten with moral hazard paradoxes. The great tragedy is not that people will go hungry it is that people are going to be told what they have been doing for the last 30 years has no worth. I don;t think the past gives us much insight with this crisis. No previous generations have lived long enough to experience that realization at least to this magnitude. The 12 trillion dollar question is what will they do with that realization?

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              Re: Six Months To Live?

              I love reading Kunstler also. Excellent writing style, but I agree with the first response - more entertainment than reliable predictions. He predicted the end of the world during the Y2K countdown as well, and nothing happened.

              I like to read all the doom and gloomers, but would not stake my future on anything they say. Although I agree with Kunstler's peak oil as an issue to be mitigated, he also believed global warming would change the world as well. I think we are beginning to see that our carbon footprints have nothing to do with climate. Throughout history, countries and economies recover. Ours will recover as well. Nevertheless, it's good to have some food, water, first aid, guns for any type of unforeseen disaster.

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                Re: Six Months To Live?

                Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
                So how bad does it really have to get before Americans will really care and really start buying torches and pitchforks?
                My cynical guess: when the women are complaining loudly to the men that they cannot feed their children.
                Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                  Re: Six Months To Live?

                  Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                  My cynical guess: when the women are complaining loudly to the men that they cannot feed their children.
                  Or when they repossess the 60" flat screen before the "big game".

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                    Re: Six Months To Live?

                    Originally posted by ASH View Post
                    No torches and pitchforks so long as the state is able to pay jobless benefits and provide food stamps. People who make comparisons between today's U6 unemployment rate and the jobless rate during the Great Depression need to consider the comparatively generous safety nets in place today. As long as those safety nets don't break, "bad" isn't really all that bad. I think everything is riding on a self-sustaining recovery (and recovering tax revenue) occurring before we max out the national credit card.
                    I find it fascinating that crime was actually down significantly nationwide in 2009. It raises my hopes for the future... but I don't find my personal speculations about WHY crime is down to be very convincing. Anybody?

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                      Re: Six Months To Live?

                      Originally posted by peakishmael View Post
                      I find it fascinating that crime was actually down significantly nationwide in 2009. It raises my hopes for the future... but I don't find my personal speculations about WHY crime is down to be very convincing. Anybody?
                      Some ideas:

                      Gun and ammo purchases have increased. Deterrent?

                      More foreclosures= Less houses with stuff in them to steal.

                      Car theft... Not as many new, pretty cars out there to steal?

                      Drop in base metals... no need to steal copper for scrap?

                      Bumper crop in marijuana keeps the people happy?

                      All the bad guys have been finally stored away safely in prison? 3 strike rule effective?

                      Or, it is all bullshit. Cops are just trying to show they are useful. Stats are padded so they will continue to get funding when the government has to cut back on salaries.

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                        Re: Six Months To Live?

                        Originally posted by Gnosis View Post
                        Or when they repossess the 60" flat screen before the "big game".
                        How many people that bought their widescreen on credit, did so with a Sears charge card instead of an actual credit card? I'd wager the latter is a much larger group. Mine was a cash purchase made during a fire sale last January thank you very nice.

                        The family automobile is a different story.

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                          Re: Six Months To Live?

                          Personally, I think the 80% of Americans who have good jobs really won't want to take any action that would threaten their non sustainable life style, and won't even be really concerned until they lose their job. Sure, they'll watch the evening news and see the stories of people who just lost their homes, and they'll shake their heads in sympathy, but when the story about Mark Mcgwire admitting to being juiced comes on, their emotions will spike through the roof.

                          So how bad does it really have to get before Americans will really care and really start buying torches and pitchforks?[/quote]


                          In 2009 the unemployed were like ghosts.... They kept coming back to the places where they previously worked.

                          in the past, prior to 2009, when someone lost their jobs, they were employed within 2-4 months. The timeline was much shorter and the impact was less severe. This has been a trend I have experienced for the last 20 years. In 2008-2009 it was different... Nothing was open, and the unemployed exercised EVERY option to find work, including pursuing starting their own businesses and selling services back to the employers that cut too deeply in the first place. This trend has been changing a bit for the last 2-3 months. What I experienced was extremely long reemployment timeframes. 2009 was a year from hell... The person who lost their job, the employer and the people who have had to pick up the additional work for the people who lost their jobs. Sometimes staying is worse than going...

                          Do we know what will push the American people into buying pitchforks and torches? I have to say that we have been closer to finding out this year than we ever have been. In the end, I think it will be the combination of unemployment, food, high fuel costs, corruption and geopolitical problems. Personally, I think that if unemployment stays above 10% and fuel costs spike above 4 dollars per gallon for greater than 1 year, we can pretty much expect a pitchfork jamboree.

                          I would have to disagree about the people's thresholds before they jump in and help... I think people are past the Sosa/McGuire years completely... I do think this is a time to consult parents and garner opinions that matter. You don't know S-it until you talk to people who grow their own food.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Six Months To Live?

                            Originally posted by aaron View Post
                            Some ideas:

                            Gun and ammo purchases have increased. Deterrent?

                            More foreclosures= Less houses with stuff in them to steal.

                            Car theft... Not as many new, pretty cars out there to steal?

                            Drop in base metals... no need to steal copper for scrap?

                            Bumper crop in marijuana keeps the people happy?

                            All the bad guys have been finally stored away safely in prison? 3 strike rule effective?

                            Or, it is all bullshit. Cops are just trying to show they are useful. Stats are padded so they will continue to get funding when the government has to cut back on salaries.
                            The stats are manipulated for political reasons. I don't put much stake in them. Plus when smaller crimes become so common, people don't even report them. I received an email recently from our Sheriff's department saying that they had caught the burglars who had been breaking into cars in my neighborhood. Only no one had ever reported a crime. It was only because they could trace the owners property back to them through stolen cellphones and GPS that they knew we had any crimes committed. People are becoming so accustomed to some crimes they just don't bother to report them. Even violent crimes don't get reported in many immigrant communities, where a fear of going to police exists.

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