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  • Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

    http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=80432

    Copper soared this week in London and New York, striking a new 16-month high, and headed for the biggest annual gain (140%) in more than two decades, as traders fretted about possible strikes at Codelco’s giant Chuquicamata mine may disrupt supplies from key producer – Chile. (Fig. 1)

    Defying the Dollar

    The dollar remained strong against the yen and other key rivals, but copper took its cue more from the looming strike as well as the better than expected Chicago PMI. As such, the rebound in dollar had little impact on copper (as well as other industrial metals) on confidence about the bull-run into 2010, thanks mostly to speculative buying.




    So far, the red metal has more than doubled this year, leading gains in the CRB Index of 19 raw materials, and climbed almost fourfold in the decade as consumption rose in emerging economies including Chindia.

    However, despite the improving global economic backdrop, there is far from a consensus on how copper will fare throughout the next 12 months.

    2009 - Beyond Reality

    Despite its red hot streak in 2009, copper's continuous rally in the face of swelling inventories, a sign of weak consumption, has perplexed many in the market. Stockpiles and production worldwide have steadily increased this year alongside with copper prices. (Fig. 2)




    The latest data showed London Metals Exchange (LME) stocks rose 6,375 tons to above 500,000 tons, their highest level since April. Furthermore, the almost 600,000 tonnes in LME and Shanghai exchange warehouses are enough to cover the lost output from strike at Chuquicamata for more than a year.

    Copper A LA Gold

    China's unprecedented $585 billion infrastructure-focused stimulus package and strategic stockpiling efforts have had a major impact on copper prices this year. This is evidenced by the 165% year-over-year surge of China's imports of refined copper to 2.58 million tonnes in the first nine months of 2009.

    On that note, the market has looked beyond warehouses. Some even say copper is behaving more like gold rather than strictly a base metal. (Fig. 3)




    Of course, a number of other factors such as an anticipated global economic revival, new investment cash, index/fund buying, a weaker U.S. dollar, concern over labor disruptions, have also contributed to overshadow bearish indications of the copper inventory build-up.

    Copper Currency Standard?

    While India is trying to accumulate gold reserves, China is going one step forward by buying up industrial metals on a scale that appears beyond the usual commercial reasons. Some believe Beijing may have made a strategic decision to stockpile metal as an alternative to US Treasuries and dollar holdings as it safeguards China's industrial revolution, while the West may one day face a supply crisis.

    Speculation of an ultimate “Copper Standard” also swirled when in March, 2009, Zhou Xiaochuan, the governor of People’s Bank of China, reportedly called for a world currency modelled on the "Bancor”. The Bancor was to be anchored on 30 commodities - a broader base than the Gold Standard.

    Copper “The Red Gold”?

    Meanwhile, India’s $1.2 trillion economy expanded 7.9% in the 3rd quarter of 2009, the quickest pace in six quarters. The growth lagged behind only China among the world’s major economies with equally strong demand from auto and power sectors. Copper demand in India is expected to soar by 6% next year, in line with the GDP growth forecast of 7%. .

    As China and India each is looking to compete and develop their economies together, India could step up their copper buying efforts as well. Then, currency standard or not, copper could become the ultimate red gold as a strategic asset as well as an inflation hedge.

    Electric Avenue Will Take It Higher

    China is expected to expand 8.5% this year, according to the median estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg. Urbanization plus the next industrial revolution led by hybrid cars need plenty of copper. China plans to boost its annual production of electric or hybrid cars to 500,000 in the next two years, up from 2,100 last year. Such a shift would require huge amounts of electrically conductive copper.

    Technically Bullish

    Copper prices are still off their all-time high of $8,940 on LME notched in July 2008, before the global economic downturn caused markets to tumble.

    Most of the technical signals for copper (Fig. 1) are very bullish, albeit a bit over-bought on some indicators like RSI & Bollinger Bands. But since the market just put in a new high, it may continue to become more overbought before corrections may occur.

    Right now, it looks like the $7,500 to $7,600 levels should be the next resistance with potential retracement towards $6,500 and $5,800 levels. But if Western recovery continues to disappoint, or remain mixed, as they currently are, then we could see prices revert back to between $5,000/t to $6,000/t in 2010.

    Chinese Copper Control

    China is the world's largest copper consumer with about 38% market share, and its record levels of copper imports this year has made up for some of the slack demand in the U.S. and Europe. Copper, the hottest among the base metals, is controlled mostly by China as the single largest buyer in the world.

    Now, some market participants say imports of refined copper into China may not reflect demand for at least the next six months, or longer, as China digests stocks built this year as a result of record imports.

    In addition, China Daily reported on Nov. 12, 2009 that copper stockpiles held in duty-free warehouses in China may be re-exported after surging to as much as 350,000 tons from almost none at the start of the year. The country's imports of refined copper may lower to 1.6 million tons in 2010. However, the 350,000 tons reportedly belong to mostly private speculators and account for a fraction of the total imports.

    Clearly, there is some copper supply/demand imbalance in China as the country is not entirely immune to this synchronized global recession. However, with copper price doubling up in 2009 and as China generally prefers buying on the dip, this re-export could also be a strategic tactic of Beijing in an attempt to push down the prices of copper.

    2010 – Reality Bites

    The general “recovery trade”, predicated primarily on China and other emerging economies infrastructure and industrial growth, lifted copper to overshoot the underlying fundamentals and somewhat disconnected from reality in 2009.

    The continued rising copper stocks suggest demand has yet to recover outside China. As we enter 2010 with China taking an expected copper break, the trend for copper prices will increasingly be determined by the shape of economic recovery in the OECD.

    The U.S. is the dominant focus for signs of recovery. The EU 15, which accounts for about 20% of global copper consumption, is also important, but the lead will come from the US.

    The past 12 month it's been a variety of reasons that lifted all commodities higher. Copper will unlikely have a repeat performance of 2009. The strength in copper may remain at least in the first quarter of 2010, but after that the market will face a lot of uncertainties regarding the Dollar, interest rate, monetary policy, China's copper imports/exports change, and the high inventories as well.

    An Economic Precursor

    Either as a currency or as a new precious metal, one thing for sure is that copper is a bellwether for the economy because it is mainly used in housing, power generation and other cyclical sectors; therefore, it tends to lead other commodities.

    Copper price dynamics over the next year or two could serve as a precursor to see if Asia can shift its focus from an export-oriented model to one that’s more internal consumer-based, as well as a realistic gauge of the global economy.

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    Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...cy-system.html

    A 'Copper Standard' for the world's currency system?

    Hard money enthusiasts have long watched for signs that China is switching its foreign reserves from US Treasury bonds into gold bullion. They may have been eyeing the wrong metal.


    By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
    Published: 6:54PM BST 15 Apr 2009


    China's State Reserves Bureau (SRB) has instead been buying copper and other industrial metals over recent months on a scale that appears to go beyond the usual rebuilding of stocks for commercial reasons.
    Nobu Su, head of Taiwan's TMT group, which ships commodities to China, said Beijing is trying to extricate itself from dollar dependency as fast as it can.

    West is a black hole with all this money being printed. The Chinese are buying raw materials because it is a much better way to use their $1.9 trillion of reserves. They get ten times the impact, and can cover their infrastructure for 50 years."

    "The next industrial revolution is going to be led by hybrid cars, and that needs copper. You can see the subtle way that China is moving into 30 or 40 countries with resources," he said.
    The SRB has also been accumulating aluminium, zinc, nickel, and rarer metals such as titanium, indium (thin-film technology), rhodium (catalytic converters) and praseodymium (glass).
    While it makes sense for China to take advantage of last year's commodity crash to restock cheaply, there is clearly more behind the move. "They are definitely buying metals to diversify out of US Treasuries and dollar holdings," said Jim Lennon, head of commodities at Macquarie Bank.

    John Reade, metals chief at UBS, said Beijing may have a made strategic decision to stockpile metal as an alternative to foreign bonds. "We're very surprised by Chinese demand. They are buying much more copper than they will need this year. If this is strategic, there may be no effective limit on the purchases as China's pockets are deep."
    Zhou Xiaochuan, the central bank governor, piqued the interest of metal buffs last month by calling for a world currency modelled on the "Bancor", floated by John Maynard Keynes at Bretton Woods in 1944.
    The Bancor was to be anchored on 30 commodities - a broader base than the Gold Standard, which had caused so much grief in the 1930s. Mr Zhou said such a currency would prevent the sort of "credit-based" excess that has brought the global finance to its knees.

    If his thoughts reflect Communist Party thinking, it would explain the bizarre moves in commodity markets over recent weeks. Copper prices have surged 49pc this year to $4,925 a tonne despite estimates by the CRU copper group that world demand will fall 15pc to 20pc this year as construction wilts.
    Analysts say "short covering" by funds betting on price falls has played a role. But the jump is largely due to Chinese imports, which reached a record 329,000 tonnes in February, and a further 375,000 tonnes in March. Chinese industrial demand cannot explain this. China has been badly hit by global recession. Its exports - almost half GDP - fell 17pc in March.

    While Beijing's fiscal stimulus package and credit expansion has helped lift demand, China faces a property downturn of its own. One government adviser warned this week that house prices could fall 50pc.
    One thing is clear: Beijing suspects that the US Federal Reserve is engineering a covert default on America's debt by printing money. Premier Wen Jiabao issued a blunt warning last month that China was tiring of US bonds. "We have lent a huge amount of money to the US, so of course we are concerned about the safety of our assets," he said.
    This is slightly disingenuous. China has the world's largest reserves - $1.95 trillion, mostly in dollars - because it has been holding down the yuan to boost exports. This mercantilist strategy has reached its limits.
    The beauty of recycling China's surplus into metals instead of US bonds is that it kills so many birds with one stone: it stops the yuan rising, without provoking complaints of currency manipulation by Washington; metals are easily stored in warehouses, unlike oil; the holdings are likely to rise in value over time since the earth's crust is gradually depleting its accessible ores. Above all, such a policy safeguards China's industrial revolution, while the West may one day face a supply crisis.

    Beijing may yet buy gold as well, although it has not done so yet. The gold share of reserves has fallen to 1pc, far below the historic norm in Asia. But if a metal-based currency ever emerges to end the reign of fiat paper, it is just as likely to be a "Copper Standard" as a "Gold Standard".

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      Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

      I think the inventories tell what the real game is - and it's not consumption.

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        Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

        Originally posted by phirang View Post
        I think the inventories tell what the real game is - and it's not consumption.
        Artificial. Crash or correction, what say ye, phirang?

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          Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

          Originally posted by Down Under View Post
          Artificial. Crash or correction, what say ye, phirang?
          I think Phirang says "move by the powers that be to push up inflation expectations. (Guessing here, Phirang will correct me if I'm wrong.

          Jtabeb says China is using it's USD currency reserves while they can still buy something.

          I don't agree with Ty Andros on everything, but I think his "crack-up-boom" series pretty much spells out the endgame.

          (While the poor unwashed masses are desperately trying to deleverage from excess debt, it is A GREAT, no FANTASTIC TIME to exit your foreign reserve holdings if you are a large holder, like say China.)

          What would YOU BUY if you were China and got advance word from your #1 trade partner that they were going to devalue their currency SIGNIFICANTLY in the coming months?

          Would you perhaps buy the raw materials (commodities) and the SOURCES of raw materials like mines, farm land that you would need to secure your future growth?

          Perhaps, maybe....?


          That this process is already well underway (and seems to be accelerating), leads me to conclude that this is the "beginning of the end" rather than the "end of the beginning".
          Last edited by jtabeb; January 04, 2010, 05:19 PM.

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            Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

            Originally posted by phirang View Post
            I think the inventories tell what the real game is - and it's not consumption.
            Wonder how and who is positioned with those inventories?

            like_Big_Daddy

            and:

            daddy's_book

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              Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

              Originally posted by strittmatter View Post
              Wonder how and who is positioned with those inventories?

              like_Big_Daddy

              and:

              daddy's_book
              yeh, yeh...

              we expect gold prices to come under significant downward pressure once the US economic recovery strengthens and the US Federal Reserve begins to raise interest rates."
              riiiight... that's what happened last time! :rolleyes:

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                Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

                Originally posted by phirang View Post
                I think the inventories tell what the real game is - and it's not consumption.
                LOL. No kidding. When people start writing about copper as though it's gold...yikes :p

                Let's give our collective heads a shake folks. One of the biggest consumers of copper is new construction. We just came through the biggest global real estate bubble in human history. Now one after the other the overinflated property markets are collapsing...Ireland, Spain, much of the USA, the UK, the Baltics, Dubai...and it's not over yet [are you listening Vancouver?].

                So where did the demand come from to replace all those miles of copper wiring and copper plumbing in all those houses, luxury apartment towers, new hotels, office buildings and shopping malls all around the world? You mean to tell me that China and India single handedly managed to fill that vacuum?

                Wonder how much copper went into this:


                Think they'll be building any more of them any time soon?

                Copper is starting to look like a widows and orphans short opportunity.

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                  Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  Wonder how much copper went into this:


                  Think they'll be building any more of them any time soon?

                  Copper is starting to look like a widows and orphans short opportunity.
                  They didn't put gold toilet seats in that thing did they?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

                    Originally posted by Jay View Post
                    They didn't put gold toilet seats in that thing did they?
                    Only in the private suite reserved for the tower's new patron...the Ruler of Abu Dhabi.

                    [Nothing beats obscene excess like even more obscene excess...]
                    Burj Dubai becomes Burj Khalifa as Emirate loses out on crowning glory

                    It was heralded as Dubai’s crowning achievement but the cash-strapped emirate was forced to swallow its pride yesterday and rename the world’s tallest building after its financial rescuer — the ruler of its oil-rich neighbour.

                    The humiliating announcement was made by Dubai’s own leader at the dazzling launch of the $1.5 billion (£930 million) Burj Dubai, which will now be known as Burj Khalifa in honour of Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed bin Sultan al-Nahyan, President of the United Arab Emirates...

                    ...There has been speculation for weeks about what Abu Dhabi might extract for the financial lifeline. Few expected the price to be so public. Minutes before the tower’s official opening last night Dubai’s hereditary ruler, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, dedicated it to the head of Abu Dhabi’s ruling family — who did not grace the ceremony with his presence...

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                      Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

                      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                      Only in the private suite reserved for the tower's new patron...the Ruler of Abu Dhabi.

                      [Nothing beats obscene excess like even more obscene excess...]
                      Burj Dubai becomes Burj Khalifa as Emirate loses out on crowning glory

                      It was heralded as Dubai’s crowning achievement but the cash-strapped emirate was forced to swallow its pride yesterday and rename the world’s tallest building after its financial rescuer — the ruler of its oil-rich neighbour.

                      The humiliating announcement was made by Dubai’s own leader at the dazzling launch of the $1.5 billion (£930 million) Burj Dubai, which will now be known as Burj Khalifa in honour of Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed bin Sultan al-Nahyan, President of the United Arab Emirates...

                      ...There has been speculation for weeks about what Abu Dhabi might extract for the financial lifeline. Few expected the price to be so public. Minutes before the tower’s official opening last night Dubai’s hereditary ruler, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, dedicated it to the head of Abu Dhabi’s ruling family — who did not grace the ceremony with his presence...
                      Okay, I'm losin' it I guess. Getting harder to distinguish satirical intent from serious intent. Nonetheless, reading the article made me laugh like hell.

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                        Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

                        Copper has been perplexing. Inventories are sky high and prices are as well - some may easily dismiss this as inflation hedging - doesn't make much sense to me though to say that economic recovery is underway and participants are hedging inflation with metal. There doesn't appear to be any economic recovery where copper LME inventories are concerned.

                        To me it looks like we could be on the verge of the equity market realizing this is all a farce. Copper at $3.37 with LME inventories at 502,325? It's nuts. The inventory chart is screaming stagflation, but its way too early for market participants to actually be pricing that it - no one out there is saying stagflation. In the equity fund management business everyone is saying 'slow recovery'.

                        This chart combined with sky high price says to me - "look out equity crash coming", but who knows:

                        --ST (aka steveaustin2006)

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                          Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

                          I'm an electrical contractor and you should see the looks I get when I tell people my price is so high because of high copper prices. It's like " Yeah right buddy, no construction going on and yet copper prices are up:rolleyes:."

                          I agree that this could be a nice short opportunity with copper.

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                            Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

                            Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                            I'm an electrical contractor and you should see the looks I get when I tell people my price is so high because of high copper prices. It's like " Yeah right buddy, no construction going on and yet copper prices are up:rolleyes:."

                            I agree that this could be a nice short opportunity with copper.
                            Ha. Same thing with submersible well pump installations. Based on the horsepower size of the motor along with setting depth, the required drop cable size can require up to 350MCM. A $20K spool of pump cable nowadays is just plain wrong.

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                              Re: Is Copper The New Precious Metal?

                              Originally posted by strittmatter View Post
                              Ha. Same thing with submersible well pump installations. Based on the horsepower size of the motor along with setting depth, the required drop cable size can require up to 350MCM. A $20K spool of pump cable nowadays is just plain wrong.
                              the problem, gents, is all this darned deflation.

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