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    From The Daily Bell

    Behind an electrified fence, blast-resistant sandbags and 53 National Police outposts, the Afghan surge is well under way. But the foot soldiers in a bowl-shaped valley about 20 miles southeast of Kabul are not fighting the Taliban, or even carrying guns. They are preparing to extract copper from one of the richest untapped deposits on earth. And they are Chinese, undertaking by far the largest foreign investment project in war-torn Afghanistan. Two years ago, the China Metallurgical Group Corporation, a Chinese state-owned conglomerate, bid $3.4 billion - $1 billion more than any of its competitors. While the United States spends hundreds of billions of dollars fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda here, China is securing raw material for its voracious economy. The world's superpower is focused on security. Its fastest rising competitor concentrates on commerce. S. Frederick Starr, the chairman of the Central Asia-Caucasus Institute, an independent research organization in Washington, said that skeptics might wonder whether Washington and NATO had conducted "an unacknowledged preparatory phase for the Chinese economic penetration of Afghanistan." "We do the heavy lifting," he said. "And they pick the fruit." - NY Times

    Dominant Social Theme: Buddies through thick and thin.

    Free-Market Analysis: We have noticed this ongoing convergence between the Chinese and Americans that is starting to yield some surprising fruit. Certainly there was a lot of focus on the relationship (or lack of one in Copenhagen). But this is a clear example to us. The Americans are pulling out all the stops when it comes to Afghanistan and it seems obvious enough to us that the Chinese have been enlisted to help. We don't know why else the Chinese would invest in Afghanistan now (maybe they're getting a good price). What the deal does do is signal powerfully to the Afghanistan peoples that if the Americans win the war tons of investments may roll their way.

    The Chinese are of course in it for themselves. But it certainly sends a message to the Afghans. The two most powerful powers on earth, America and China, are united in claiming the Afghanistan of the future. The Americans are doing the heavy-lifting and the Chinese are happy to do the developing. But both are in it together - allies and increasingly intertwined. We think in fact this is so because the economies are increasingly similar - hyper-stimulated and top-down, militaristic and in the American case, increasingly authoritarian. It's almost as if the West has exported central banking to China while importing authoritarianism. Nice trade?

    Of course it may sound funny to claim that Chinese and American political systems are dovetailing, but as we pointed out in today's other article, the larger economies the world over seem headed toward this two-track economic operation in which major monetary decisions are made by a tiny circle of insiders while the free-market itself operates at a street level and allows citizens an illusion of autonomy.


    Rest here.

    http://www.thedailybell.com/700/US-D...For-China.html
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    Re: U.S doing heavy lifting for China?

    Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
    From The Daily Bell

    Behind an electrified fence, blast-resistant sandbags and 53 National Police outposts, the Afghan surge is well under way. But the foot soldiers in a bowl-shaped valley about 20 miles southeast of Kabul are not fighting the Taliban, or even carrying guns. They are preparing to extract copper from one of the richest untapped deposits on earth. And they are Chinese, undertaking by far the largest foreign investment project in war-torn Afghanistan. Two years ago, the China Metallurgical Group Corporation, a Chinese state-owned conglomerate, bid $3.4 billion - $1 billion more than any of its competitors. While the United States spends hundreds of billions of dollars fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda here, China is securing raw material for its voracious economy. The world's superpower is focused on security. Its fastest rising competitor concentrates on commerce. S. Frederick Starr, the chairman of the Central Asia-Caucasus Institute, an independent research organization in Washington, said that skeptics might wonder whether Washington and NATO had conducted "an unacknowledged preparatory phase for the Chinese economic penetration of Afghanistan." "We do the heavy lifting," he said. "And they pick the fruit." - NY Times

    Dominant Social Theme: Buddies through thick and thin.

    Free-Market Analysis: We have noticed this ongoing convergence between the Chinese and Americans that is starting to yield some surprising fruit. Certainly there was a lot of focus on the relationship (or lack of one in Copenhagen). But this is a clear example to us. The Americans are pulling out all the stops when it comes to Afghanistan and it seems obvious enough to us that the Chinese have been enlisted to help. We don't know why else the Chinese would invest in Afghanistan now (maybe they're getting a good price). What the deal does do is signal powerfully to the Afghanistan peoples that if the Americans win the war tons of investments may roll their way.

    The Chinese are of course in it for themselves. But it certainly sends a message to the Afghans. The two most powerful powers on earth, America and China, are united in claiming the Afghanistan of the future. The Americans are doing the heavy-lifting and the Chinese are happy to do the developing. But both are in it together - allies and increasingly intertwined. We think in fact this is so because the economies are increasingly similar - hyper-stimulated and top-down, militaristic and in the American case, increasingly authoritarian. It's almost as if the West has exported central banking to China while importing authoritarianism. Nice trade?

    Of course it may sound funny to claim that Chinese and American political systems are dovetailing, but as we pointed out in today's other article, the larger economies the world over seem headed toward this two-track economic operation in which major monetary decisions are made by a tiny circle of insiders while the free-market itself operates at a street level and allows citizens an illusion of autonomy.


    Rest here.

    http://www.thedailybell.com/700/US-D...For-China.html
    Once the Chinese have important economic interests in a country or region, they will in due course have to accept that they also have a military interest in the same country or region.

    Once before I drew the analogy that China currently acts like a "dragon" inside its own borders [confident, aggressive, certain of the outcomes it desires and willing to use all means, including shooting its own citizens if necessary to achieve those] and like a "panda" outside those borders [hesitant, careful about its engagements, official policy of "non-interference", attempts to follow a "non-aligned" foreign policy].

    However, slowly and inexorably, China is responding to the inevitable demands that are placed on every Imperial power wanna-be through history...

    http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...833#post141833

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    • #3
      Re: U.S doing heavy lifting for China?

      key sentence

      While the United States spends hundreds of billions of dollars fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda here, China is securing raw material for its voracious economy.

      the u.s. contracts some military work, e.g. to blackwater. in this deal china appears to be getting its military protection for free from the u.s.

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        Re: U.S doing heavy lifting for China?

        Originally posted by jk View Post
        key sentence


        the u.s. contracts some military work, e.g. to blackwater. in this deal china appears to be getting its military protection for free from the u.s.
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        Another reason for vendor financing...

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        • #5
          Re: U.S doing heavy lifting for China?

          Originally posted by jk View Post
          key sentence


          the u.s. contracts some military work, e.g. to blackwater. in this deal china appears to be getting its military protection for free from the u.s.
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          It's more than just that. China is acting as the good guy (helping the afghans develop) whereas the US is the bad guy.

          The US needs to reflect on its policies.

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          • #6
            Re: U.S doing heavy lifting for China?

            Originally posted by touchring View Post
            It's more than just that. China is acting as the good guy (helping the afghans develop) whereas the US is the bad guy...
            I guess perception is "reality" after all...:rolleyes:

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            • #7
              Re: U.S doing heavy lifting for China?

              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              I guess perception is "reality" after all...:rolleyes:

              I think it is reality and not just perception. China sells cheap goods, provides cheap raw materials, cheap labor, and most importantly lots of capital. They're a one stop shop.

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              • #8
                Re: U.S doing heavy lifting for China?

                The fact that their is a world wide effort to develop Afghanistan gives some hope for eventual success there.

                As for the Americans protecting Chinese economic interests:

                We owe them a couple of trillion dollars that will be difficult for us to pay back in dollars but we can pay it back by making it easy for the Chinese to develop businesses in places they may never otherwise have been able to.

                As the article says, a nice dovetailing of interests.
                Greg

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                • #9
                  Re: U.S doing heavy lifting for China?

                  After hearing a Chinese company received one of the first contracts to develop an oil field in Iraq, my first thought was that it was essentially collateral against the money we owe them. This seems to support that notion.

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