Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

    Safety of Beef Processing Method Is Questioned

    By MICHAEL MOSS
    Eight years ago, federal officials were struggling to remove potentially deadly E. coli from hamburgers when an entrepreneurial company from South Dakota came up with a novel idea: injecting beef with ammonia.
    The company, Beef Products Inc., had been looking to expand into the hamburger business with a product made from beef that included fatty trimmings the industry once relegated to pet food and cooking oil. The trimmings were particularly susceptible to contamination, but a study commissioned by the company showed that the ammonia process would kill E. coli as well as salmonella.




    Officials at the United States Department of Agriculture endorsed the company’s ammonia treatment, and have said it destroys E. coli “to an undetectable level.” They decided it was so effective that in 2007, when the department began routine testing of meat used in hamburger sold to the general public, they exempted Beef Products.

    With the U.S.D.A.’s stamp of approval, the company’s processed beef has become a mainstay in America’s hamburgers. McDonald’s, Burger King and other fast-food giants use it as a component in ground beef, as do grocery chains. The federal school lunch program used an estimated 5.5 million pounds of the processed beef last year alone.

    But government and industry records obtained by The New York Times show that in testing for the school lunch program, E. coli and salmonella pathogens have been found dozens of times in Beef Products meat, challenging claims by the company and the U.S.D.A. about the effectiveness of the treatment. Since 2005, E. coli has been found 3 times and salmonella 48 times, including back-to-back incidents in August in which two 27,000-pound batches were found to be contaminated. The meat was caught before reaching lunch-rooms trays.

    In July, school lunch officials temporarily banned their hamburger makers from using meat from a Beef Products facility in Kansas because of salmonella — the third suspension in three years, records show. Yet the facility remained approved by the U.S.D.A. for other customers.
    Presented by The Times with the school lunch test results, top department officials said they were not aware of what their colleagues in the lunch program had been finding for years.

    Carl S. Custer, a former U.S.D.A. microbiologist, said he and other scientists were concerned that the department had approved the treated beef for sale without obtaining independent validation of the potential safety risk. Another department microbiologist, Gerald Zirnstein, called the processed beef "pink slime" in a 2002 e-mail message to colleagues and said, “I do not consider the stuff to be ground beef, and I consider allowing it in ground beef to be a form of fraudulent labeling.”



    Brazil? Soylent Green? Walmart SuperStore?

    School lunch officials said they ultimately agreed to use the treated meat because it shaved about 3 cents off the cost of making a pound of ground beef.“Several packers have unofficially raised concern regarding the use of the product since the perception of quality is inferior,” the 2002 memo said. “But will use product to obtain lower bid.”

    In 2004, lunch officials increased the amount of Beef Products meat allowed in its hamburgers to 15 percent, from 10 percent, to increase savings. In a taste test at the time, some school children favored burgers with higher amounts of processed beef.

    Beef Products does not disclose its earnings, but its reported production of seven million pounds a week would generate about $440 million in annual revenue, according to industry records.

    Dr. Theno, the food safety consultant, applauds Mr. Roth for figuring out how to convert high-fat trimmings “with no functional value.”

    “There were some issues with that,” Dr. Theno said. “But he, and God bless him, amassed a tidy fortune for it.”


    Odor and Alkalinity

    As suppliers of national restaurant chains and government-financed programs were buying Beef Product meat to use in ground beef, complaints about its pungent odor began to emerge.

    In early 2003, officials in Georgia returned nearly 7,000 pounds to Beef Products after cooks who were making meatloaf for state prisoners detected a “very strong odor of ammonia” in 60-pound blocks of the trimmings, state records show.

    “It was frozen, but you could still smell ammonia,” said Dr. Charles Tant, a Georgia agriculture department official. “I’ve never seen anything like it.”

    Unaware that the meat was treated with ammonia — since it was not on the label — Georgia officials assumed it was accidentally contaminated and alerted the agriculture department. In their complaint, the officials noted that the level of ammonia in the beef was similar to levels found in contamination incidents involving chicken and milk that had sickened schoolchildren.

    Beef Products said the ammonia did not pose a danger and would be diluted when its beef was mixed with other meat. The U.S.D.A. accepted Beef Product’s conclusion, but other customers had also complained about the smell.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/us...%20beef&st=cse

  • #2
    Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

    So amusing.

    salmonella and e coli are ubiquitous in nature. The only reason Americans lack resistance to these common life forms is our unusually sanitary environment and food supply prevents exposure at a young age, when the immune system is being trained to fight disease.

    So what do they do? "cure" this problem by injecting our food supply with a toxic chemical for which we have no defense.

    America, the endless comedy.

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

      Originally posted by Serge_Tomiko View Post
      So amusing.

      salmonella and e coli are ubiquitous in nature. The only reason Americans lack resistance to these common life forms is our unusually sanitary environment and food supply prevents exposure at a young age, when the immune system is being trained to fight disease.

      So what do they do? "cure" this problem by injecting our food supply with a toxic chemical for which we have no defense.

      America, the endless comedy.

      Actually, the reason there are e.coli breakouts is because the feedlot system produces sick cows. Cows are ruminants meant to eat grass, not corn or grain, the eating of which gives cows chronic infections in their digestive system. They pass along the e.coli to us via their waste. In agribusiness combine plants, a certain amount of waste is allowed, under law, to be included in the meat.

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

        Check out the movie food inc.
        http://www.foodincmovie.com/
        They talk about this in the movie.

        Also ammonia treatments for cleaning food goes beyond just meat products. Things like French fries and tater tots (or as the USDA calls them "rounds") are all treated with ammonia to sanitize the product.

        If you have the ability then grow your own food or buy it from a locally grown farmers market.

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

          Originally posted by Chomsky View Post
          Actually, the reason there are e.coli breakouts is because the feedlot system produces sick cows. Cows are ruminants meant to eat grass, not corn or grain, the eating of which gives cows chronic infections in their digestive system. They pass along the e.coli to us via their waste. In agribusiness combine plants, a certain amount of waste is allowed, under law, to be included in the meat.
          and cows shouldn't eat other cows. (see Mad Cow Disease- possible sources...)

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

            Originally posted by Guinnesstime View Post
            If you have the ability then grow your own food or buy it from a locally grown farmers market.
            Do they use organic ammonia at farmer's markets?

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

              so is it impossible to get salmonella or e.coli poisoning from grass fed beef?

              hard to believe - if the butchered meat comes in contact with some feces how can you NOT catch some bacteria or virus?

              Originally posted by Chomsky View Post
              Actually, the reason there are e.coli breakouts is because the feedlot system produces sick cows. Cows are ruminants meant to eat grass, not corn or grain, the eating of which gives cows chronic infections in their digestive system. They pass along the e.coli to us via their waste. In agribusiness combine plants, a certain amount of waste is allowed, under law, to be included in the meat.

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

                I've been exploring grass-fed beef options for the last year, typically ordering a 1-3 month supply of product from a given producer.
                I've been trying to identify quality family/smallholder producers with a decent shipping options.

                In my latest trial, my wife an I remarked at how fresh the ground beef tasted. It smelled like it had been freshly slaughtered; this perception was something I had not encountered since eating some backwoods European meat over a decade ago.

                We have almost completely switched over to in-state (relatively) local meat producers, largely because the loss-leader (presumably national) meats on sale at the local grocery stores are incredibly fatty/gristly, so much so that over half of the uncooked weight of the meat must be discarded, effectively doubling the "sale price."

                There's definitely something amiss with the quality and nutritional content of "supermaket" beef. It bodes ill in the extreme for the clueless.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

                  Originally posted by BigBagel View Post
                  Do they use organic ammonia at farmer's markets?
                  Once again, like so many things, in moderate quantities NH3 [ammonia] is beneficial...in fact much of life on earth couldn't exist without ammonia.

                  But it would be damn difficult to create "organic" ammonia molecule...by definition organic chemistry requires a carbon-hydrogen bond...so what we need to do is soak the meat in gasoline...

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

                    Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                    But it would be damn difficult to create "organic" ammonia molecule...by definition organic chemistry requires a carbon-hydrogen bond...so what we need to do is soak the meat in gasoline...
                    How about "free range" ammonia? Maybe we could use that.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

                      Originally posted by Chomsky View Post
                      Actually, the reason there are e.coli breakouts is because the feedlot system produces sick cows. Cows are ruminants meant to eat grass, not corn or grain, the eating of which gives cows chronic infections in their digestive system. They pass along the e.coli to us via their waste. In agribusiness combine plants, a certain amount of waste is allowed, under law, to be included in the meat.
                      That and the fact that the cows stand knee deep in their own feces most of the time and the meat from thousands of cows passes through the same grinder. It's disgusting. The cows are moved around in dirty pens like pieces on a conveyor belt.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

                        Originally posted by BigBagel View Post
                        How about "free range" ammonia? Maybe we could use that.
                        Now there's an idea with some potential.:cool:

                        Maybe we could start with "free radical" ammonia and then run an alchemy experiment to convert it to free range? Only problem I can see is that the Dept. of Homeland Security might have something to say about free radicals free ranging inside the US of eh...

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

                          Originally posted by BigBagel View Post
                          How about "free range" ammonia? Maybe we could use that.
                          just sniff a homeless person's underarms - free range ammonia

                          if you want some free range sulfides, carboxylic acids (for instant removal of nose hairs and nasal cells), I can point you to sources of those as well

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeric_acid

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

                            Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                            so is it impossible to get salmonella or e.coli poisoning from grass fed beef?

                            hard to believe - if the butchered meat comes in contact with some feces how can you NOT catch some bacteria or virus?

                            Salmonella is principally associated with feedlot chickens, which rummage in their own filth, etc., as described in a post above.

                            Free range livestock pose very little risk of food-borne pathogens. Likewise free range eggs, etc. The risk is nonzero, but it is very small -- orders of magnitude smaller than from feedlot animals.

                            Check out the books Fast Food Nation, The Omnivore's Dilemma, etc.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Re: Extra Ammonia on your Big Mac?

                              Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                              so is it impossible to get salmonella or e.coli poisoning from grass fed beef?

                              hard to believe - if the butchered meat comes in contact with some feces how can you NOT catch some bacteria or virus?
                              The more the farmer strays from the conditions in which the animal exists in nature, the more unhealthy the animal will become. Eating unhealthy animals is unhealthy for humans . . . .

                              All the farmers I know regularly worm their animals. I do not worm my sheep, goats or cows, yet they stay healthy. Why?

                              In confined areas, animals eat where they poop, so worms easily pass from animal to animal and build up. In nature, animals move from place to place, always grazing on fresh grass. I have sectional fencing, and I constantly rotate the animals to simulate the natural situation. By this means, they are not troubled by worms.

                              Feedlot animals are also routinely given antibiotics, without which they would not thrive. I do not need to give my animals antibiotics, because their diet and living conditions keep them healthy. When my animals go to the slaughterhouse, they are not carrying high bacterial or parasite loads, so there is much less chance of infection.

                              Unhealthy animals are a hazard to those who consume them . . . .
                              raja
                              Boycott Big Banks • Vote Out Incumbents

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X