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  • Is 2010 the end for the US?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/bra...enfold-or-else

    "Out of the $2.22 trillion in expected 2010 issuance, $200 billion will be absorbed by the Fed while QE continues through March. Then the US is on its own: $2.06 trillion will have to find non-Fed originating demand. To sum up: $200 billion in 2009; $2.1 trillion in 2010. Good luck."


    "What options does this leave for the administration? Very few, and all of them are ugly. As we stated earlier on, the options for the Fed are threefold:

    1)Announce a new iteration of Quantitative Easing. This will be met with major disapproval across all voting classes (at least those whose residential zip codes do not start with 10xxx or 068xx), creating major headaches for Obama and the democrats which are already struggling with collapsing polls.

    2)Prepare for a major increase in interest rates. While on the surface this would be very welcome for a Fed that keeps hinting that deflation is the biggest concern for the economy, Bernanke's complete lack of preparation from a monetary standpoint (we are surprised the Fed's $200 million reverse repos have not made the late night comedy circuit yet) to a forced interest rate increase, would likely result in runaway inflation almost overnight. The result would be a huge blow to a still deteriorating economy.

    3) Engineer a stock market collapse. Recently investors have, rightfully, realized there is no more risk in equities, not because the assets backing the stockholder equity are actually creating greater cash flow (as we demonstrated recently, that is not the case), but simply because taxpayers have involuntarily become safekeepers for the entire stock market, due to Bernanke's forced intervention in bond and equity markets. Yet the President's Working Group is fully aware that when the time comes to hitting the "reverse" button, it will do so. Will the resultant rush into safe assets be sufficient to generate the needed endogenous demand for Treasuries is unknown. It will likely be correlated to the size of the equity market drop.


    If the Fed decides on option three, we fully believe a 30% drop (or greater) in equities is very probable as the new supply/demand regime in fixed income becomes apparent. We hope mainstream media takes the ideas presented here and processes them for broader consumption as indeed the Fed is caught in a very fragile dilemma, and the sooner its hand is pushed, the less disastrous the final outcome for investors. Then again, as Eric Sprott has been pointing out for quite some time, it could very well be that the US economy has become merely one huge Ponzi, and as such, its expansion or reduction on the margin is uncontrollable. We very well may have passed into the stage where blind growth is the only alternative to a complete collapse. We hope that is not the case."
    Last edited by Camtender; December 26, 2009, 12:54 AM.

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    Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

    Originally posted by Camtender View Post
    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/bra...enfold-or-else

    "Out of the $2.22 trillion in expected 2010 issuance, $200 billion will be absorbed by the Fed while QE continues through March. Then the US is on its own: $2.06 trillion will have to find non-Fed originating demand. To sum up: $200 billion in 2009; $2.1 trillion in 2010. Good luck."


    "What options does this leave for the administration? Very few, and all of them are ugly. As we stated earlier on, the options for the Fed are threefold:

    1)Announce a new iteration of Quantitative Easing. This will be met with major disapproval across all voting classes (at least those whose residential zip codes do not start with 10xxx or 068xx), creating major headaches for Obama and the democrats which are already struggling with collapsing polls.

    Wouldn't option 1 (the no changes to status quo) be the most obvious choice? Do democrats care? Aren't democrats and republicans both sides of the same coin?

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    • #3
      Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

      Originally posted by touchring View Post
      Wouldn't option 1 (the no changes to status quo) be the most obvious choice? Do democrats care? Aren't democrats and republicans both sides of the same coin?
      Choice 1 (substantially more Quantitative Easing) might be seriously offensive to one or more of China, Russia, Japan, Germany, ... They could put a world of hurt on Treasuries and the Dollar.
      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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        Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

        According to Richard Russell of Dow Theorey the USA has got a funding requirement of $3.5trl in 2010. There is $2trl of short term financing plus a minimum of $1.5trl deficit spending. According to RR this is about 30% of GDP.

        Interesting times are coming. I am looking for a stock market crash and think that the 30% figure is about right.
        Last edited by DRumsfeld2000; December 26, 2009, 06:33 AM.

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        • #5
          Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

          your all wrong, they go for "Controled" high inflation.........2010 to2020 will look like the 70's but with cell phones.

          Mike

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          • #6
            Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

            Originally posted by Mega View Post
            your all wrong, they go for "Controled" high inflation.........2010 to2020 will look like the 70's but with cell phones.

            Mike
            Mike, I am affraid this time things are a tiny bit different if only for the US fiscal position.

            Do as I do; grab a big bowl of popcorn and a good seat.
            Last edited by LargoWinch; December 26, 2009, 11:32 AM. Reason: typo

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            • #7
              Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

              I think of it more as watching the "Rocky Horror Picture Show" with audience participation!

              Other audience participation include dancing the Time Warp along with the film, throwing toast, water, toilet paper, hot dogs, and rice at the appropriate points in the movie. Many theatres forbid throwing items that are difficult to clean up. In many cases a total ban of throwing anything at all have been instituted due to severe damage to screens. Fans often attend shows in costume as the characters, while an onstage "shadowcast" act out the movie. At a now defunct theater in New Orleans the local Eddie would ride his motorcycle down the aisle during Meat Loaf's/Eddie's song, "Hot Patootie." Audience members also use newspapers to cover their heads and squirt guns for rain during the "Over at the Frankenstein Place" musical sequence, and use noise makers during the scene in which Rocky is unveiled.

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              • #8
                Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

                Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                Choice 1 (substantially more Quantitative Easing) might be seriously offensive to one or more of China, Russia, Japan, Germany, ... They could put a world of hurt on Treasuries and the Dollar.
                Why? They are all doing something similar.

                Japan has been toking on QE, with an increasingly bigger pipe, for most of the last 20 years. China works hard to debase its currency as fast as the US Dollar since it doesn't want the yuan to rise,. Russia...well, it has seen yet again quite recently what the currency markets do to the ruble when they do stupid things [which they seem to do with frightening regularity] so I wouldn't look to them for wisdom. And the German taxpayer is still happily bailing out German state owned banks as recently as last week.

                If these be the virtuous, then easy virtue it be...

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                • #9
                  Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

                  I don´t think the Gov-Fed shall stop QE unless inflation begins to pick up strong.
                  It´s just to dangerous, higher T´s yields competing for scarce investment money.
                  Then equities go down, and recovery stalls.
                  Only when inflation worries begin to step up time shall come to stop QE.
                  Just guessing

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                  • #10
                    Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

                    Someone correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't see option 2 (raise interest rates) as an option at all.

                    First, I read (sorry, no link) that for every increase in interest rates the gov't pays an additional 250 Billion in increased debt service costs. That would be another Trillion dollars in deficit spending for every 4% that rates were increased. How much of a rate increase would they need to have to stimulate a meaningful increase in investment demand? How would the U.S. going further in the debt hole build confidence with the potential buyers of this debt? Seems to me that anyone with access to a newspaper knows the U.S. is on the verge of either a default or a printing blizzard. I wouldn't think either of those options would be much of a motivation to invest in U.S. debt paper?

                    Secondly, It's my understanding that the latest trade deficit figure was in the mid 30's (like 33 Billion for the month of November or so). That means that should that number remain about the same for the next twelve months, we are only exporting about 400 Billion of our dollars overseas. How would the rest of the world buy 2 Trillion in new debt issuance if we only give them 400 Billion to do so? I guess they could sell euros or something for dollars but that would require a disinvestment in someother asset class on the order of over a trillion dollars. Or do I have a misunderstanding of how this works?

                    At any rate, I don't think there is much of an option other than to secretly print and hope the rest of the dollar holders go along with it. Look for more opacity and obvious BS numbers in gov't reporting from here on out.

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                      Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

                      Originally posted by DRumsfeld2000 View Post
                      According to Richard Russell of Dow Theorey the USA has got a funding requirement of $3.5trl in 2010. There is $2trl of short term financing plus a minimum of $1.5trl deficit spending. According to RR this is about 30% of GDP.

                      Interesting times are coming. I am looking for a stock market crash and think that the 30% figure is about right.
                      what's russell's theory to get to 30% gdp in 2010? not plausible.

                      ej's latest says...



                      the pce data support this...



                      but... unemployment takes 10 yrs to recover... pce rising out of gov't spending/insurance/incentives... debt/gdp never improves to < 6% before next recession... they'll keep it pumped until after the 2012 election... or the next peak cheap oil cycle kicks in... either way we get a next recession around 2013... then debt/gdp to 21% gdp... except that level's impossible... external debt/gdp limit breached before that.

                      how's russell's forecasting track record?

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                        Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

                        Metalman

                        Russell did not actually give a breakdown. I can't copy the information as it is a paid site but I think that what he is saying is that the US GDP is around $13trl and the $3.5trl is about 30%. It is a simple comparrison of the debt for 2010 v GDP and was done to simply illustrate the US's massive funding requirement for 2010.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

                          both long and short rates are going up in 2010, I believe 300 basis points or so. It is inevitable because the truth is there is no "savings glut" and true capital is precious. All governments are in a race to devalue their currency and this will result in sharply higher rates as bond prices plunge in 2010.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

                            In 2010 Obama will be forced to decide how to maintain the credibility of the US government because that will be the biggest question. With two failed wars going and the world questioning our ability to run things we are about to be fired as the world's focus. He has two choices: a bold narrative shift or deception. He won election in this country based on the promise of a bold narrative shift. Governing he has chosen deception with a wink and a nod towards the momentum of the economic crisis of 08. That phase is now over. In the US I think the crisis that is looming is one we all know and love but with a twist. The health care system in the US is poised for collapse. When people stop paying their health insurance premiums because of a failed economy either through inflation (lack of enough money) or deflation (lack of a job) the general insurance architecture that was "saved" a year ago will unravel very quickly. The Fed has no leverage at this level and the nightmare scenario of 08 that didn't happen will come to pass with all the financial disaster we were taught to fear. The Dems have passed "health care reform" to try and have something in place to try and save the situation because they will be the party of record when this goes down. We will be forced to choose between prosperity through defense or health care by necessity as our governing narrative. Obama will choose health care not because he is a "socialist" but because that will be the only priority the US government can deliver on to its citizenry and stay relevant.

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                              Re: Is 2010 the end for the US?

                              Originally posted by Rajiv View Post
                              I think of it more as watching the "Rocky Horror Picture Show" with audience participation!
                              throwing toast, water, toilet paper, hot dogs, and rice at the appropriate points in the movie.
                              I find this deeply disturbing.


                              From the article:
                              Back to the math... And here is the kicker. Accounting for securities purchased by the Fed, which effectively made the market in the Treasury, the agency and MBS arenas, but also served to "drain duration" from the broader US$ fixed income market, the stunning result is that net issuance in 2009 was only $200 billion. Take a second to digest that.
                              Now where in the world did that $200 billion number come from? Just looking at foreign purchases of Treasury securities, it was more than that. This is a red flag for me.

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