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  • Who is buying the US Treasuries?

    From Automatic Earth

    Talking about US Treasuries, Canadian investor Eric Sprott has been trying to figure out who bought them in 2009. In a report entitled Is it all just a Ponzi scheme?, Sprott and David Franklin suggest that it's impossible to find who was the second largest buyer. Of the $1.885 trillion dollars in public debt the US added in 2009, $704 billion (annualized) was bought by "Other Investors", a collection of buyers they find defined in the Federal Reserve Flow of Funds Report as the "Household Sector". the $704 billion is 35 times more than this sector bought in the prior year, 2008, according to Sprott and Franklin. They phrase it like this:
    Amazingly, we discovered that the Household Sector is actually just a catch-all category. It represents the buyers left over who can't be slotted into the other group headings. For most categories of financial assets and liabilities, the values for the Household Sector are calculated as residuals. That is, amounts held or owed by the other sectors are subtracted from known totals, and the remainders are assumed to be the amounts held or owed by the Household Sector. To quote directly from the Flow of Funds Guide,
    "For example, the amounts of Treasury securities held by all other sectors, obtained from asset data reported by the companies or institutions themselves, are subtracted from total Treasury securities outstanding, obtained from the Monthly Treasury Statement of Receipts and Outlays of the United States Government and the balance is assigned to the household sector."
    So to answer the question - who is the Household Sector? They are a PHANTOM. They don't exist. They merely serve to balance the ledger in the Federal Reserve's Flow of Funds report.

    Our concern now is that this is all starting to resemble one giant Ponzi scheme. We all know that the Fed has been active in the market for T-bills. [..] they bought almost 50% of the new Treasury issues in Q2 and almost 30% in Q3. It serves to remember that the whole point of selling new US Treasury bonds is to attract outside capital to finance deficits or to pay off existing debts that are maturing. We are now in a situation, however, where the Fed is printing dollars to buy Treasuries as a means of faking the Treasury's ability to attract outside capital. If our research proves anything, it's that the regular buyers of US debt are no longer buying, and it amazes us that the US can successfully issue a record number Treasuries in this environment without the slightest hiccup in the market.
    Translation: the Sprott report accuses the US Treasury and/or the Fed of buying US treasuries themselves, in much larger numbers than they acknowledge. Wonder what the Chinese will make of that. Then again, they may already know or suspect this. At this point, we should be wondering also what US taxpayers think of this. Alas, they've been lulled into another dream of growth and greatness from which they won't wake until it makes no difference anymore what they think.

  • #2
    Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

    Paging Bart...
    It's Economics vs Thermodynamics. Thermodynamics wins.

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    • #3
      Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

      Sprott has been so epicly wrong so many times...

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      • #4
        Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

        ContraryInvestor.com wrote about this to their subscribers (I highly recommend their letter.)

        Households are people who have had their money in stocks or maybe banks, and are parking it in treasurys.

        Equity trading volume has been low and volatility low during this time.

        Bob Prechter, who has also been wrong and still is wrong about his deflation scenario, has rightly commented that individual investors have moved to municipal bonds and state and federal bonds, which means they will be burned by rising interest rates and "unexpected" defaults.

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        • #5
          Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

          Originally posted by grapejelly View Post
          ContraryInvestor.com wrote about this to their subscribers (I highly recommend their letter.)

          Households are people who have had their money in stocks or maybe banks, and are parking it in treasurys.
          According to Sprott, treasury holdings by "households" are not actually computed by summing up what treasuries such households hold, but by labeling whatever is otherwise not accounted for as "households."

          I (like Sprott) doubt that the average American household purchased 35 times more Treasuries in 2009 than in 2008.

          By the way, zerohedge at Are Hedge Funds Responsible For The Missing Half A Trillion In Treasury Purchases? analyzes this report by Sprott and concludes (a different question) that it is not Hedge Funds and this report still has credence.
          Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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          • #6
            Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

            Originally posted by grapejelly View Post
            ContraryInvestor.com wrote about this to their subscribers (I highly recommend their letter.)...
            You don't need to be a subscriber. Contrary Investor's December letter is available in the public domain on their website for anyone who wants to access it [I believe this is the same item that grapejelly is referring to above, and I agree it's worth a read].
            ...It seems it would take meaningful equity market weakness from here to prompt households to further reduce equity allocations. We'll just have to see what happens. But what households have been doing lately as opposed to potentially upping equity exposure is to pile into bond funds and bond oriented ETFs in literally record numbers.

            The chart below looks at household bond allocation over time. The irony, of course, is that in the early 1980’s when bond yields hit generational highs, household bond investors were nowhere to be found. Why? Simple, they were acting in a manner consistent with what had already happened, not what was about to happen. And now that interest rates broadly have hit generational lows, the public is piling in in dramatic antithesis of their behavior almost precisely three decades back. They can’t buy them fast enough, at least for now...

            ...On a YTD basis through 2Q, household ownership of “credit market instruments” (translation? bonds) is up 13.4% on an annualized basis. And that was BEFORE the record bond fund inflows of the summer to the present. Believe it or not (we can’t believe it personally to be honest), this growth in household ownership of bonds is virtually entirely accounted for by increased household ownership of Treasuries through the 2Q data...


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            • #7
              Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              You don't need to be a subscriber. Contrary Investor's December letter is available in the public domain on their website for anyone who wants to access it [I believe this is the same item that grapejelly is referring to about
              That does not seem to be the same Sprott article that we're talking about now. That one you quote only goes through 2Q2009 and a 13.4% increase in "household" Treasury holdings.

              The Sprott article of note is available at Sprott Calls The Fed "A Ponzi Scheme" As Half A Trillion In Treasury Purchasers Are Unaccounted For (thanks to Zerohedge and scribd.) It calculates a 35 times (3400% increase) "household" Treasury allocation through 3Q2009.
              Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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              • #8
                Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

                It is a good article and well worth reading.

                But I assume that households are buying municipal bonds and US treasurys in almost unprecedented numbers with what capital they have.

                Whether the numbers are fudged or not, I assume this is true. I can see this from behavior of people I know. They are into bonds in a big way, bonds to park their money in, bonds assumed to be completely safe.

                Sprott may be right about this being an exaggerated number, but I know of enough individuals who I believe are into these bonds in a big way.

                They are setting themselves up for the next huge capital loss. This is part of the way the collapse of the FIRE economy robs savers and investors and eventually will bankrupt the entire middle class.

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                • #9
                  Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

                  Originally posted by grapejelly View Post
                  It is a good article and well worth reading.

                  But I assume that households are buying municipal bonds and US treasurys in almost unprecedented numbers with what capital they have.

                  Whether the numbers are fudged or not, I assume this is true. I can see this from behavior of people I know. They are into bonds in a big way, bonds to park their money in, bonds assumed to be completely safe.

                  Sprott may be right about this being an exaggerated number, but I know of enough individuals who I believe are into these bonds in a big way.

                  They are setting themselves up for the next huge capital loss. This is part of the way the collapse of the FIRE economy robs savers and investors and eventually will bankrupt the entire middle class.
                  out of bonds and into what, then? 100% metals?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

                    Originally posted by metalman View Post
                    out of bonds and into what, then? 100% metals?
                    when bond yields peaked in the early '80's, shortly after gold peaked, bonds were called "certificates of guaranteed confiscation." so, yes, bonds, then commodities. that's when we sell our gold.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

                      Real interest rates are what makes or breaks gold in the long run.

                      When real interest rates are positive, gold sucks.

                      When real interest rates are negative, it sucks to be anywhere except tangibles and gold in particular is a safe portable and proven way to be in tangibles.

                      Interest rates are negative right now on an inflation adjusted basis. And have been since at least 2000.

                      Ask yourself, how well will the economy do if real rates turn positive. I am talking about rates that exceed the rate of increase in the True Money Supply (TMS), say, by an amount equal to 3% plus risk factor.

                      A rate like that today might be pushing 8% or 9%, or much higher. I am not good enough to do the arithmetic.

                      But even that would put mortgages in their rightful place around 10% or 12% or even higher.

                      What would happen to the economy in that case?

                      That is the case for gold. When real interest rates show a convincing positive long term trend, then gold will again suck.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

                        Originally posted by metalman View Post
                        out of bonds and into what, then? 100% metals?
                        well, at that point I would hope that they are smart enough to diversify into canned foods and bags of wheat and rice as well.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

                          just like the public. Buy bonds when interest rates at are historic lows and real returns are negative. Buy stocks when they have nowhere to go but down.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

                            Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                            That does not seem to be the same Sprott article that we're talking about now. That one you quote only goes through 2Q2009 and a 13.4% increase in "household" Treasury holdings.

                            The Sprott article of note is available at Sprott Calls The Fed "A Ponzi Scheme" As Half A Trillion In Treasury Purchasers Are Unaccounted For (thanks to Zerohedge and scribd.) It calculates a 35 times (3400% increase) "household" Treasury allocation through 3Q2009.
                            The link I posted has nothing to do with Sprott. It's the link to the ContraryInvestor article that grapejelly referenced in his first post. It provides an alternate view to the conclusions of the Sprott article.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Who is buying the US Treasuries?

                              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                              The link I posted has nothing to do with Sprott
                              Ah - sorry. My confusion.
                              Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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