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    What Happens When California Defaults?

    The California Legislative Analyst’s Office recently reported that the State faces a $21 billion shortfall in the current as well as the next fiscal year. That’s a problem, a really big problem. My young son would say it was a ginormous problem. In fact, it may be an insurmountable problem.

    Our governor and legislature used every trick in their books when they created the most recent budget. They even resorted to mandatory interest-free loans from the taxpayers. Now, they have no idea where to go. The Democrats have declared that they will not allow budget cuts. The Republicans will not allow tax increases. They have probably run out of smoke and mirrors, although their ability to engage in budget gimmickry is enough to make an Enron accountant blush. No one is considering raising revenues by increasing economic activity.

    In my opinion, California is now more likely to default than it is to not default. It is not a certainty, but it is a possibility that is increasingly likely.

    Then what?

    Ideally, we’d see a court-supervised, orderly bankruptcy similar to what we see when a company defaults. All creditors, including direct lenders, vendors, employees, pensioners, and more would share in the losses based on established precedent and law. Perhaps salaries would be reduced. Some programs could see significant changes. This is distressing, but it is better than other options.

    Unfortunately, a formal bankruptcy is not the likely scenario. There is no provision for it in the law. Consequently, absent framework and rules of bankruptcy, the eventual default is likely to be very messy, contentious and political.

    Other states have defaulted. Nine states defaulted on credit obligations in the 1840s. Most of those states eventually repaid all of their creditors (see William E. English "Understanding the Costs of Sovereign Default: U.S. State Debts in the 1840s," American Economic Review, vol. 86 (March 1996), pp. 259-75.) Unfortunately, the examples in the 1840s are not much help in anticipating the impacts of a modern default. Circumstances are different, and things have changed, a lot.

    We’re left with the question: what happens when California defaults

    The worst case would be the mother of all financial crises. According to the California State Treasurer’s office, California has over $68 billion in public debt, but the Sacramento Bee’s Dan Walters has tried to count total California public debt, including that of local municipalities, and his total reaches $500 billion. Whatever the amount, the impact of default could be larger than the debt amount would imply. Other states – New York, Illinois, New Jersey, for example – are in almost as bad shape as California, and they could follow California’s example. The realization that a state could default would shock markets every bit as much as when Lehman Brothers failed. Given the precarious state of our economy and the financial sector, another fiscal crisis would be disastrous, with impacts far beyond California’s borders.

    What would a California default look like?
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    Also there is this - Small-business bankruptcies rise 81% in California

    The Obama administration's new plan to give a boost to small businesses reflects continued trouble in that sector, which is facing new failures even as much of the nation's economy is stabilizing.

    As credit lines have shrunk and consumers have cut back on spending, thousands of small businesses have closed their doors over the last year. The plight of struggling firms has been aggravated by the reluctance of banks to lend money, said Brian Headd, an economist at the Small Business Administration's office of advocacy.

    "While bankruptcies are up, overall, small-business closures are up even more," Headd said.

    California has been particularly hard hit. The latest data show small-business bankruptcies up 81% in the state for the 12 months ended Sept. 30, compared with the previous year. Filings nationwide were up 44%, according to the credit analysis firm Equifax Inc.

    The actual number of small businesses in trouble is probably higher, experts said, because many owners file for personal bankruptcy rather than seek protection for the business.

    Dennis McGoldrick, a bankruptcy lawyer in Torrance, said his clients are all stuck in similar situations -- capital is hard to come by, customers are tough to attract and debt is piling up.

    "We can't keep up," McGoldrick said. "There's more people that want to come in every day than I can see."

    Cecily McAlpine, who filed for bankruptcy protection for her Cold Stone Creamery franchise this spring, said the experience was humiliating but she had no choice.
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  • #2
    Re: What Happens When California Defaults?

    Too big to fail.

    Look for a buyout, from the golden state to the Goldman state.

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    • #3
      Re: What Happens When California Defaults?

      What's 21 billion? What's 500 billion? Nothing.

      The NY Times published an article within the last week or so stating that Fannie and Freddie will be looking for 400 billion each within the next few weeks.

      It's all good.

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        Re: What Happens When California Defaults?

        Look for what the real outcome which was the whole point of lending. Give paper and take assets. So California will give up their public services like highways, ports, land -for pennies on the dollar to vested private interests. The goal of turning worthless paper and imaginary credit to tangible income producing goods has been accomplished.

        This will spread all over the US -as interstate highways will becoe toll roads, publicly funded transport systems will be privatized, publicly funded utility works -privatized. We will soon experience what Bolivia did and what Columbia and Chile did -when all government services were privatized and the citizens were faced with enormous price shocks.

        In Columbia -all eduction is privatized -so if your poor -its a great thing -because you will never be educated and you can never know -how to fight or why to fight the system/

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          Re: What Happens When California Defaults?

          Originally posted by iyamwutiam View Post
          Look for what the real outcome which was the whole point of lending. Give paper and take assets. So California will give up their public services like highways, ports, land -for pennies on the dollar to vested private interests. The goal of turning worthless paper and imaginary credit to tangible income producing goods has been accomplished.

          This will spread all over the US -as interstate highways will becoe toll roads, publicly funded transport systems will be privatized, publicly funded utility works -privatized. We will soon experience what Bolivia did and what Columbia and Chile did -when all government services were privatized and the citizens were faced with enormous price shocks.

          In Columbia -all eduction is privatized -so if your poor -its a great thing -because you will never be educated and you can never know -how to fight or why to fight the system/
          Yes, yes and yes. FIRE has just begun. We will see it played out in full soon enough. The SF Bay Bridge alone will pour $6B into Fire's coffers, equaling its real-world costs. Cap & Trade- forget about it. Once FIRE got behind global environmental issues- game over. FIRE is dead? A fantasy.

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            Re: What Happens When California Defaults?

            Originally posted by don View Post
            Yes, yes and yes. FIRE has just begun. We will see it played out in full soon enough. The SF Bay Bridge alone will pour $6B into Fire's coffers, equaling its real-world costs. Cap & Trade- forget about it. Once FIRE got behind global environmental issues- game over. FIRE is dead? A fantasy.
            Will FIRE voluntarily stop their continued impoverishment of The People? Of course not.

            The only solution I see is for The People to vote out FIRE's political enablers. Got a better idea?
            raja
            Boycott Big Banks • Vote Out Incumbents

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            • #7
              Re: What Happens When California Defaults?

              Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
              Too big to fail.

              Look for a buyout, from the golden state to the Goldman state.
              Absolutely spot on. They deserve each other.

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              • #8
                Re: What Happens When California Defaults?

                If the U.S. bails-out Calif, then it has to bail-out all of the other bankrupt states. This would nuke the $ because the bail-outs would sum into the trillions-of-dollars. That in-turn would mean a crisis in the credit of the U.S. Treasury, and that in-turn would mean that interest rates would go sharply higher.

                If the U.S. does not bail-out Cal, then the teachers may not get paid. The pensions may not get paid. The municipal bonds would default, including those muni-bonds backed by general-obligation (G.O.) of the State of Cal.

                The up-side of this disaster, whichever way it unfolds, would be DE-flation, especially de-flation in the price of homes in America, especially in California. In case #1, higher interest rates would kill the housing market, and in case of #2: no-one would have money, especially when the bond market collapses. That would mean home prices have no-bid.

                Bernanke should resign because his economic plan for America has been a failure. A terrible plan based upon digging the nation's debt-hole deeper, his plan was doomed from the start.

                If the Putz from Princeton goes back to printing (i.e, he chooses "door #1", just as he is has done in the past), then we get the crash in the $. Like with Auchwitz, "there is no escape".

                There is no solution and no soft-landing to this dilemna. Professor Bernanke: This is not the 1930s. This is the reckoning after 80 years of Keynsian economics..... Nothing lasts forever, including confidence in a currency backed by consumption, debts, deficits, and mis-guided economic policies.

                Watching this final act unfold is akin to watching a drunk loser in Nevada keep doubling his bet at a blackjack table. The gambler can stay at the blackjack table so long as the casino lets him play with markers and personal cheques.... In the end, and there always is an end, the good loser is escorted out the back-door by casino security.
                Last edited by Starving Steve; December 24, 2009, 04:50 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: What Happens When California Defaults?

                  More Christmas cheers!


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