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  • #16
    Re: USA debt not that bad..

    Well said and entirely correct. The problem with the 50T is not the number so much as what it represents: beneficiaries who, in a democracy, will now come to believe that the promise is real and, therefore, demand it be kept. Hence, deficits DO matter, even those that are symbolic of future deficits.

    Of course, Democrats only trotted out these charts during the Bush tax cut and military budget negotiations, and Republicans only since 2006. My sense is that the time for a third party may be near, although I've been very wrong about that my entire life. With only about 1/3 of the voting age participating, a record number of independents, almost universal disillusionment over the present Congress (from progressives and conservatives alike), and the power of networking just coming into play, it seems a true party of the "general interests" is now possible. Party members would have to agree to avoid taking positions on "hot button" topics like gay marriage, abortion, etc., because you're never going to interest those people anyway and the more you leave the other two parties to "true believers" the less attractive their candidates will become. Instead, our candidates would vow to accept no campaign money except a maximum of "X", would promise in writing to leave after say, three terms in the house and two in the Senate, would communicate with the public only through video conference, email and websites, would use technology to allow their constituents (both those who voted for them and those who did not) to be heard on major issues of pending legislation, and would vote for a freeze on all federal spending across the board until our annual deficit fell below 5% of GDP and our total debt to GDP fell below 60%.

    Okay, time to wake up now and get back to work...

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    • #17
      Re: USA debt not that bad..

      Originally posted by goodrich4bk View Post
      My sense is that the time for a third party may be near, although I've been very wrong about that my entire life.
      My thought is that the opportunity for a third party will present itself iff external events constrain deficit spending. Only the heretofor mythical 'bond vigilantes' have the ability to break the hold of the Republican and Democratic parties on political power. Deficit spending gives our politicians the flexibility to insulate their constituents from truly difficult -- and unpalatable -- choices. Take that away, and you get a lot of discontent and political mobilization, as different segments of the population fight it out over slices of a smaller pie.

      I think I've sounded a lot like you, recently, on this general topic. Out of curiousity, are we from the same generation? I'm just under 35...

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      • #18
        Re: USA debt not that bad..

        Originally posted by ASH View Post
        My thought is that the opportunity for a third party will present itself iff external events constrain deficit spending. Only the heretofor mythical 'bond vigilantes' have the ability to break the hold of the Republican and Democratic parties on political power. Deficit spending gives our politicians the flexibility to insulate their constituents from truly difficult -- and unpalatable -- choices. Take that away, and you get a lot of discontent and political mobilization, as different segments of the population fight it out over slices of a smaller pie.

        I think I've sounded a lot like you, recently, on this general topic. Out of curiousity, are we from the same generation? I'm just under 35...
        If that third party is based on cleaning up the mess and has any traction despite media shunning, I bet we get another terrorist event first.

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        • #19
          Re: USA debt not that bad..

          Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
          How about, selling our hockey teams back to Canada, Eh?
          Not so fast Studley...:p

          I'm Canadian, but when I was in high school I was a dedicated Boston Bruins fan [way back in the days of Esposito, Orr, Cashman, Leach, gentleman John Bucyk, bad boy Sanderson and the rest]. I had a part time job doing yard-work for a wealthy doctor and during the '72 playoffs my employer got so tired of me constantly asking for an update of the scores that he capitulated and told me to just come in the house and watch the games on television with the rest of his friends...

          Somehow renaming them the Brantford Bruins just doesn't sound that exciting.

          But that offer on the bridge is still open...

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          • #20
            Re: USA debt not that bad..

            IF TBT rises to PRE 2008 CRASH levels, this would represent 5.0 yield+ plus on the USA Bond paper , thats a whole lot more INTEREST USA has to pay before it pays of any debt..

            USA will be borrowing to pay interest..
            TBT001.jpg

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            • #21
              Re: USA debt not that bad..

              'Since when did medicare and social security become a liability? If they run out of money, benefits are cut. Problem solved'

              Considering the huge anger at the bank bailouts, massive deficits etc, are people who have their medicare and SS cut just going to sit there and say ok? That is naievity at its extreme, especially considering the number of private guns in the USA. In addition, this would be political suicide for any politicain. I think that you are in for a shock if that is how you see the human race but good luck anyway.

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